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[dank69]

Wasserman Schultz: Yes, We Rigged Primaries Against Bernie

Debbie Wasserman Schultz has admitted that the DNC rigged the primaries against Bernie Sanders to allow their favorite candidate to win.

newspunch.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak#Debbie_Wasserman_Schultz's_emails

Weird, nothing in that article supports that headline.

 

[ivwshane]

Weird, nothing in that article supports that headline.

That’s because idiots only read headlines.

 

[UNCjigga]

What was Debbie Wasserman Schultz' job again? Oh, yes, to get Democrats elected. Was Bernie Sanders a Democrat?

Up *and down* the ticket no less--as they were trying to learn from their mistakes post-Obama. This all should be water under the bridge at this point (somebody with a personal grudge is grinding axe blades) but if Bernie had been the nominee, I think he'd have a harder time stumping with establishment Dems and pulling them up for the general election.

 

[Captante]

One thing I can say with 100% certainty... we'll never know if Bernie could have beaten Trump. (but I wish we were given the chance to find out)

Every younger person I knew through my older daughter was furious about Hillary getting the nod back then.

And what that linked article discusses is unfair/biased allocation of funding by the DNC, essentially alleging they became puppets for the Clintons. (in retrospect does anyone actually doubt this?)

 

[woolfe9998]

Both RNC and DNC favor whichever primary candidate they think has the best chance to win the general, and always take steps to help that candidate. This is not news. The only thing different here is that the Russians stole e-mails that show them discussing it. And a bunch of fringe types, Bernie Bros and republicans, keep using the word "rig," implying something nefarious like manipulating the vote counts.

Don't give Putin and the far right the satisfaction of this creating a rift among the American left. Get over it. We have a common enemy and it's called creeping fascism.

 

[Captante]

Don't give Putin and the far right the satisfaction of this creating a rift among the American left

Bit late for that I'm afraid.... to a large degree it's damage-done.

Be happy the GOP blew the timing of Roe v. Wade or we would be done in November.

 

[fskimospy]

One thing I can say with 100% certainty... we'll never know if Bernie could have beaten Trump. (but I wish we were given the chance to find out)

Every younger person I knew through my older daughter was furious about Hillary getting the nod back then.

And what that linked article discusses is unfair/biased allocation of funding by the DNC, essentially alleging they became puppets for the Clintons. (in retrospect does anyone actually doubt this?)

As woolfe said, this is just basic politics and Bernie fucked it up. Of course the DNC was more favorable to Clinton - she spent decades building support in that organization. Bernie just walked in. If he actually expected to be treated the same he was impossibly naive.

He didn’t do the work and paid the price.

 

[Captante]

As woolfe said, this is just basic politics and Bernie fucked it up. Of course the DNC was more favorable to Clinton - she spent decades building support in that organization. Bernie just walked in. If he actually expected to be treated the same he was impossibly naive.

He didn’t do the work and paid the price.

Also from what I understand nobody likes him which does matter.

As I said though if I were a betting man my guess is he would have gotten just enough more votes then Hillary in key places simply by virtue of being male to win. (even completely dismissing that article)

 

[fskimospy]

Also from what I understand nobody likes him which does matter.

As I said though if I were a betting man my guess is he would have gotten just enough more votes then Hillary by virtue of being male to win. (even completely dismissing that article)

Hard to say. His platform was also far to the left of Hillary’s so that could have hurt but yeah he was more charismatic and male so maybe. He also wouldn’t have had the media at his throat the whole time.

The 2020 election was so close almost anything could have flipped it.

 

[woolfe9998]

Also worth mentioning that Trump's campaign and RNC has an oppo file on Sanders that was purportedly 2 feet thick, but never used it because he lost the primary. So those who think Sanders would have won because we wouldn't have had buttery mails and the Comey letter should think again. The GOP will find a way to taint any dem candidate. If all else fails, they'll just make shit up.

 

[fskimospy]

Also worth mentioning that Trump's campaign and RNC has an oppo file on Sanders that was purportedly 2 feet thick, but never used it because he lost the primary. So those who think Sanders would have won because we wouldn't have had buttery mails and the Comey letter should think again. The GOP will find a way to taint any dem candidate. If all else fails, they'll just make shit up.

Yes this is a very good point - the republicans never attacked Bernie in any meaningful way because they saw him as a vehicle to weaken Clinton. Anyone saying Bernie would have won has to reckon with this.

Really though, it was a perfect storm of media bias against Clinton, illegal foreign interference, apathy among democrats, etc. It is such an accident of history that Trump ever won and now we are left holding this bag of shit.

 

[nickqt]

More actual humans voted for Clinton than Sanders in the Democratic primaries. Sanders also told people to vote for Clinton in the General election.

To be clear I voted for Sanders in my state's primary, which he lost. If I could I'd make about 600 Sanders clones and fill the Federal Government with them

Anyone still screaming about Sanders' run in 2016 is clearly OK with Republican Fascism, otherwise shut the fuck up about a primary from 6 god damn years ago. Why the fuck are half the threads I'm reading today about this?

 

[Captante]

Why the fuck are half the threads I'm reading today about this?

You have nobody to blame for reading them but yourself!

 

[dank69]

One thing I can say with 100% certainty... we'll never know if Bernie could have beaten Trump. (but I wish we were given the chance to find out)

Every younger person I knew through my older daughter was furious about Hillary getting the nod back then.

And what that linked article discusses is unfair/biased allocation of funding by the DNC, essentially alleging they became puppets for the Clintons. (in retrospect does anyone actually doubt this?)

First of all, most of the quotes in that article are from Donna Brazile's book or Brazile directly. Brazile was the only person actually caught helping "rig" the primary campaign. She was the one who provided the Clinton campaign with one of the debate questions early. UNSOLICITED. Clinton and her campaign did not ask for this help, she just gave it to them. It was a stupid thing to do and didn't even help. It was a question about the Flint water problem and both campaigns were expecting it anyway because it was the hot news item. So as far as I am concerned, whatever Brazile has to say is worthless. If Shorty had ever bothered to do a tiny bit of the research I have done on this he would have known this and wouldn't be duped by that shit article or what Brazile has to say about anything.

As for biased allocation, Clinton was responsible for raising almost ALL of the DNC bankroll. If she got more, and as far as I know there is no actual proof she ever did, it makes sense anyway.

Both RNC and DNC favor whichever primary candidate they think has the best chance to win the general, and always take steps to help that candidate. This is not news. The only thing different here is that the Russians stole e-mails that show them discussing it. And a bunch of fringe types, Bernie Bros and republicans, keep using the word "rig," implying something nefarious like manipulating the vote counts.

Don't give Putin and the far right the satisfaction of this creating a rift among the American left. Get over it. We have a common enemy and it's called creeping fascism.

Ackshually, the emails do not show them discussing it other than one major donor asking why Bernie was being allowed to run as Democrat when he isn't a Democrat. There are tons of articles though claiming the emails say that, but if you read ALL of them you see the same thing we see with Shorty's link: the articles DO NOT support the headline. I have asked 100 times now:

All the emails are public. You can read every single one of them if you so choose. Nobody has been able to produce a single email backing up these claims. If they existed the conservative bubble would be happily parading them out but they never do. THAT is our clue that there was never any THERE there. The major donor question, and one person asking about attacking Bernie as atheist/Jew with an explicit NO reply. Those are the only emails anyone ever produces. I seem to remember one other nothingburger email but I haven't researched this topic in 5 years and I'm not about to do it again now.

 

[Zorba]

If this is completely accurate then we got what we deserved.

I firmly believe that if Sanders had been the nominee in 2016 he would have been elected over the scumbag Dumpster simply by virtue of being male. (sad and disgraceful but true)

People like this POS "lady" are the main reason the Democratic party is in so much trouble now.

This is a terribly written article, in tabloid format, from a no name website. Bernie didn't get the votes, period. So it was rigged just like the 2020 election was rigged against Trump, people didn't vote for him.

The Bernie bros are just desperate to blame other people for their stupid decisions. At least the Bernie bros that really fucked us live in permanently gerrymandered states, so they'll get to enjoy the theocracy they voted for.

 

[Zorba]

One thing I can say with 100% certainty... we'll never know if Bernie could have beaten Trump. (but I wish we were given the chance to find out)

Every younger person I knew through my older daughter was furious about Hillary getting the nod back then.

And what that linked article discusses is unfair/biased allocation of funding by the DNC, essentially alleging they became puppets for the Clintons. (in retrospect does anyone actually doubt this?)

"Months before the primary was over" aka the convention, when it was basically impossible for Bernie to win the nomination.

Bernie would've gotten killed in the general. It's sad that "young people" couldn't accept the results of the primaries and decided they'd rather have the exact opposite of their preferred candidate than someone that was 80% there.

The were a lot of people disappointed about Obama getting the nod in 2008, yet those people sucked it up and have him a massive landslide. But here 6 fucking years later, we still have people whining that a self proclaimed socialist didn't win the nomination from a major US party, because far more people voted for his opponent and he kept in the fight even though it was clear he had no path to victory.

 

[Captante]

"Months before the primary was over" aka the convention, when it was basically impossible for Bernie to win the nomination.

Bernie would've gotten killed in the general. It's sad that "young people" couldn't accept the results of the primaries and decided they'd rather have the exact opposite of their preferred candidate than someone that was 80% there.

The were a lot of people disappointed about Obama getting the nod in 2008, yet those people sucked it up and have him a massive landslide. But here 6 fucking years later, we still have people whining that a self proclaimed socialist didn't win the nomination from a major US party, because far more people voted for his opponent and he kept in the fight even though it was clear he had no path to victory.

I voted for Hillary and I actually thought she was the better candidate.... don't blame me.

Young people's votes (plus Trump-related outrage) were the reason Biden won in 2020. They would have come in handy in 2016 and very few of them voted for Hillary.... if they had maybe the toxic Dumpster never gets elected at all.

How you or I feel about that fact changes nothing.

Sanders "far-left" stance might have cost him as many votes as Hillary being female + the assorted "scandals" she was associated with in the media but as I mentioned earlier we'll never know.

 

[Puffnstuff]

People like this POS "lady" are the main reason the Democratic party is in so much trouble now.

As opposed to what? A super duper corrupt GOP that will stop at nothing to retain power pedalling known lies as long as it helps their agenda and keeps them in power? Maybe you need to get some new glasses so you can see things for what they are.

 

[Captante]

As opposed to what? A super duper corrupt GOP that will stop at nothing to retain power pedalling known lies as long as it helps their agenda and keeps them in power? Maybe you need to get some new glasses so you can see things for what they are.

Never actually read anything I've posted beyond that one comment hmm?

No big deal I've done the "knee-jerk" thing myself a few times.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Error 404 no knee jerking found.

 

[fskimospy]

"Months before the primary was over" aka the convention, when it was basically impossible for Bernie to win the nomination.

Bernie would've gotten killed in the general. It's sad that "young people" couldn't accept the results of the primaries and decided they'd rather have the exact opposite of their preferred candidate than someone that was 80% there.

The were a lot of people disappointed about Obama getting the nod in 2008, yet those people sucked it up and have him a massive landslide. But here 6 fucking years later, we still have people whining that a self proclaimed socialist didn't win the nomination from a major US party, because far more people voted for his opponent and he kept in the fight even though it was clear he had no path to victory.

Yes, Sanders continuing to contest the primary long after he had lost was yet another one of those black swan 2016 things.

I firmly believe that the Sanders camp thought Clinton would certainly win and so there was no harm in continuing to push his values after he had lost the primary. I similarly think the news media thought Clinton would win and so their almost comically excessive coverage of her email server was simply holding the next administration to account early.

Everyone was so convinced she couldn’t lose that their small things, each individually too small to make her lose, added up.

 

[Captante]

Error 404 no knee jerking found.

A$$ of u & me then?



*(from your previous posts you and I are mostly on the same page!)

 

[hal2kilo]

First of all, most of the quotes in that article are from Donna Brazile's book or Brazile directly. Brazile was the only person actually caught helping "rig" the primary campaign. She was the one who provided the Clinton campaign with one of the debate questions early. UNSOLICITED. Clinton and her campaign did not ask for this help, she just gave it to them. It was a stupid thing to do and didn't even help. It was a question about the Flint water problem and both campaigns were expecting it anyway because it was the hot news item. So as far as I am concerned, whatever Brazile has to say is worthless. If Shorty had ever bothered to do a tiny bit of the research I have done on this he would have known this and wouldn't be duped by that shit article or what Brazile has to say about anything.

As for biased allocation, Clinton was responsible for raising almost ALL of the DNC bankroll. If she got more, and as far as I know there is no actual proof she ever did, it makes sense anyway.
Ackshually, the emails do not show them discussing it other than one major donor asking why Bernie was being allowed to run as Democrat when he isn't a Democrat. There are tons of articles though claiming the emails say that, but if you read ALL of them you see the same thing we see with Shorty's link: the articles DO NOT support the headline. I have asked 100 times now:

All the emails are public. You can read every single one of them if you so choose. Nobody has been able to produce a single email backing up these claims. If they existed the conservative bubble would be happily parading them out but they never do. THAT is our clue that there was never any THERE there. The major donor question, and one person asking about attacking Bernie as atheist/Jew with an explicit NO reply. Those are the only emails anyone ever produces. I seem to remember one other nothingburger email but I haven't researched this topic in 5 years and I'm not about to do it again now.

Donna Brazile still in the DNC? Only channel I ever see her on anymore is Fox.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yes this is a very good point - the republicans never attacked Bernie in any meaningful way because they saw him as a vehicle to weaken Clinton. Anyone saying Bernie would have won has to reckon with this.

Really though, it was a perfect storm of media bias against Clinton, illegal foreign interference, apathy among democrats, etc. It is such an accident of history that Trump ever won and now we are left holding this bag of shit.

I reckoned with it when it came up at the time. The Republican party had years and years and years to smear Clinton's name. That was a big factor in why I thought Sanders had a better chance to win. They would smear him but it took all those years for it to really stick to Clinton. They would not have had the years of time to burn in a reflexive hatred of Sanders and he had a populist message much better than Clinton had. But the only thing I really know is the it was my opinion that Sanders would have had a better chance of winning than Clinton did.

 

[akenbennu]

I reckoned with it when it came up at the time. The Republican party had years and years and years to smear Clinton's name. That was a big factor in why I thought Sanders had a better chance to win. They would smear him but it took all those years for it to really stick to Clinton. They would not have had the years of time to burn in a reflexive hatred of Sanders and he had a populist message much better than Clinton had. But the only thing I really know is the it was my opinion that Sanders would have had a better chance of winning than Clinton did.

All Fox had to do was keep calling Bernie a socialist to tank him.