Jimmy Carter

[wiin]

On "Hardball", "Jimmy Carter: American Revolution Was 'Unnecessary'

 

[cKGunslinger]

*decides not to vote for Carter this election*

 

[Infohawk]

Did you guys even read his quote?

He's saying the British shouldn't have used force...

Carter's a real christian...

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Did you guys even read his quote?

He's saying the British shouldn't have used force...

Carter's a real christian...

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Did you guys even read his quote?

He's saying the British shouldn't have used force...

Carter's a real christian...

Correct. he bashed the British thrirst for imperial power and their decision to use violence to enforce their will.

And it didnt work.

 

[klah]

Transcript

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6281085/

Well, one parallel is that the Revolutionary War, more than any other war up until recently, has been the most bloody war we?ve fought. I think another parallel is that in some ways the Revolutionary War could have been avoided. It was an unnecessary war.

Had the British Parliament been a little more sensitive to the colonial?s really legitimate complaints and requests the war could have been avoided completely, and of course now we would have been a free country now as is Canada and India and Australia, having gotten our independence in a nonviolent way.

I think in many ways the British were very misled in going to war against America and in trying to enforce their will on people who were quite different from them at the time.

 

[Trente]

:thumbsup: for Carter!

 

[ReiAyanami]

But then we wouldn't have the 4th of July, made-in-china flag waving, and calling dissenters traitors of Bushfurher

 

[Vic]

The thread topic is misleading and attempts to paint Carter's comments out of context. Carter is slamming the British Empire for causing the bloodshed in the America Revolution, not the Colonists themselves. Nor is he decrying the creation of the United States of America.
Newsmax, while an otherwise very unreliable news source, is right to slam him on the "up until recently" comment, but that's about it. For example, while Carter was without question a poor president, he is not the worst. The award for worst of the last 100 years is a toss-up between Coolidge or Hoover, while the worst US president ever was without question Grant. It should be noted that all 3 were Republicans.

 

[sMiLeYz]

In the minds of Republicans born the last 35 years, Carter was the worst and Reagan was the best.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
In the minds of Republicans born the last 35 years, Carter was the worst and Reagan was the best.

Well.. given the context of the last 35 years, I suppose that would be correct then, regardless of political affiliation. Worst ever though? Hell no, although I would put Carter in the Top 10 worst. A man of high ideals and altruism, he made a very poor executive.

 

[shiner]

Ummm Jimmy.....you're a good intelligent man....but really you are talking out of your ass on this one. The world during the time of the American Revolution was totally different than it is now. Jeez.....trying to put the American Revolution into the context of today's world is moronic at best. The British being more sensitive? Gimme a break! The whole concept of sensitivity in world relations is a modern concept. Being sensitive back then was only killing the men and not the women and children in a country you invaded.

Also..the revolutionary war being the bloodiest we ever fought? Ummm....ever heard of the American Civil War Mr Carter?

Again....Jimmy Carter is a good man....he was a lousy President....but he is a good man.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Did you guys even read his quote?

He's saying the British shouldn't have used force...

Carter's a real christian...

no, carters a real piece of sh!t idiot who doesn't know a damn thing about history and calls himself a historian. I can't wait for you to try to defend him saying the American Revolution was unneccisary. He said in that interview we should've waited to get our independence like Canada. WTF?!

 

[cwjerome]

Carter the historian... good lord.

I think Coolidge gets a bum rap. Harding, Hoover, Nixon, and Carter were worse than him in my opinion.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Did you guys even read his quote?

He's saying the British shouldn't have used force...

Carter's a real christian...

no, carters a real piece of sh!t idiot who doesn't know a damn thing about history and calls himself a historian. I can't wait for you to try to defend him saying the American Revolution was unneccisary. He said in that interview we should've waited to get our independence like Canada. WTF?!

Read this thread again and try again. You are misrepresenting what he's saying. The point is that Britain screwed up... In the meantime, calm yourself. Suck on this it will help you calm down:

 

[Pliablemoose]

Carter became an apologist about a decade ago...

 

[chess9]

This thread is reminscent of one of our almost dearly departed brethren, Riprorin. He must have trained a small army of copycat trollers.

-Robert

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: chess9
This thread is reminscent of one of our almost dearly departed brethren, Riprorin. He must have trained a small army of copycat trollers.

-Robert

:beer:

You've noticed the new batch of sub-1000 trolls too?

The best part is the yahoo address to try an appear legit and well-rooted. :laugh:

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Ummm Jimmy.....you're a good intelligent man....but really you are talking out of your ass on this one. The world during the time of the American Revolution was totally different than it is now. Jeez.....trying to put the American Revolution into the context of today's world is moronic at best. The British being more sensitive? Gimme a break! The whole concept of sensitivity in world relations is a modern concept. Being sensitive back then was only killing the men and not the women and children in a country you invaded.

Also..the revolutionary war being the bloodiest we ever fought? Ummm....ever heard of the American Civil War Mr Carter?

Again....Jimmy Carter is a good man....he was a lousy President....but he is a good man.

I think you're wrong. It would seem that even Britain realized in time that it was wrong, thus its' reason to allow other Colonies to gain Independence in a peaceful manner. You are correct, those were different times and Britain acted well within accepted norms of that time, but all that proves is that the accepted norms were wrong.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Ummm Jimmy.....you're a good intelligent man....but really you are talking out of your ass on this one. The world during the time of the American Revolution was totally different than it is now. Jeez.....trying to put the American Revolution into the context of today's world is moronic at best. The British being more sensitive? Gimme a break! The whole concept of sensitivity in world relations is a modern concept. Being sensitive back then was only killing the men and not the women and children in a country you invaded.

Also..the revolutionary war being the bloodiest we ever fought? Ummm....ever heard of the American Civil War Mr Carter?

Again....Jimmy Carter is a good man....he was a lousy President....but he is a good man.

I think you're wrong. It would seem that even Britain realized in time that it was wrong, thus its' reason to allow other Colonies to gain Independence in a peaceful manner. You are correct, those were different times and Britain acted well within accepted norms of that time, but all that proves is that the accepted norms were wrong.

Well sure you can look back now and see that....but at the time? What Carter is saying may make sense when you look at the events of that time with a current world view, but he is trying to impose that view on a time when it did not exist.