Jihad on France cops

[Zebo]

Muslims are waging civil war against us, claims police union

By David Rennie, Europe Correspondent
(Filed: 05/10/2006)

Radical Muslims in France's housing estates (read section 8) are waging an undeclared "intifada" against the police, with violent clashes injuring an average of 14 officers each day.

Nicolas Sarkozy
Interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy was warned of an 'intifada'

As the interior ministry said that nearly 2,500 officers had been wounded this year, a police union declared that its members were "in a state of civil war" with Muslims in the most depressed "banlieue" estates which are heavily populated by unemployed youths of north African origin.

It said the situation was so grave that it had asked the government to provide police with armoured cars to protect officers in the estates, which are becoming no-go zones.

The number of attacks has risen by a third in two years. Police representatives told the newspaper Le Figaro that the "taboo" of attacking officers on patrol has been broken.

Instead, officers ? especially those patrolling in pairs or small groups ? faced attacks as soon as they tried to arrest locals.

Senior officers insisted that the problem was essentially criminal in nature, with crime bosses on the estates fighting back against tough tactics.

The interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, who is also the leading centre-Right candidate for the presidency, has sent heavily equipped units into areas with orders to regain control from drug smuggling gangs and other organised crime rings. Such aggressive raids were "disrupting the underground economy in the estates", one senior official told Le Figaro.

However, not all officers on the ground accept that essentially secular interpretation. Michel Thoomis, the secretary general of the hardline Action Police trade union, has written to Mr Sarkozy warning of an "intifada" on the estates and demanding that officers be given armoured cars in the most dangerous areas.

He said yesterday: "We are in a state of civil war, orchestrated by radical Islamists. This is not a question of urban violence any more, it is an intifada, with stones and Molotov cocktails. You no longer see two or three youths confronting police, you see whole tower blocks emptying into the streets to set their 'comrades' free when they are arrested."

He added: "We need armoured vehicles and water cannon. They are the only things that can disperse crowds of hundreds of people who are trying to kill police and burn their vehicles."

However, Gerard Demarcq, of the largest police unions, Alliance, dismissed talk of an "intifada" as representing the views of only a minority.

Mr Demarcq said that the increased attacks on officers were proof that the policy of "retaking territory" from criminal gangs was working.

Mayors in the worst affected suburbs, which saw weeks of riots and car-burning a year ago, have expressed fears of a vicious circle, as attacks by locals lead the police to harden their tactics, further increasing resentment.

As if to prove that point, there were angry reactions in the western Paris suburb of Les Mureaux following dawn raids in search of youths who attacked a police unit on Sunday. The raids led to one arrest. They followed clashes on Sunday night when scores of youths attacked seven officers who had tried to arrest a man for not wearing his seat belt while driving. That driver refused to stop, and later rammed a police car trying to block his path.

The mayor of Les Mureaux, Francois Garay, criticised aggressive police tactics that afterwards left "the people on the ground to pick up the pieces".

Could'nt happen to a nicer people. Excuse me if I have a little schadenfreude at the tought of those who lambast Israel every chance they get and pride themselves on thier multi-cultural socialist utopia are taken down by the Muslim hoards.

 

[ProfJohn]

Hate to say it... but GOOD, the sooner Europe wakes up to the threat of RADICAL Muslims the sooner the whole world can deal with this problem.

Disclaimer: Every Muslim I have known was a great person, and it is very sad that some crazies are stealing their religion and using its worst parts in order to fight their war. Imagine Christians going around and pulling a Samuel Jackson ala Pulp Fiction and killing people who they didn't agree with while yelling "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee. "

 

[1prophet]

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Radical Muslims in France's housing estates are waging an undeclared "intifada" against the police, with violent clashes injuring an average of 14 officers each day

I remember the riots in Los Angeles, California. The military was sent in when the police lost control, they didn't wait for no 14 injuries per day.

I think the crime bosses are very smart in using Islam and western political correctness as a very effective tool to fight the police, just how much the French are willing to take and how will they stop it is the question.

 

[babylon5]

Feel good poltically correct softies cry foul. Maybe half France should be destoryed before Western world admits Radical Islamist is a problem.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: babylon5
Feel good poltically correct softies cry foul. Maybe half France should be destoryed before Western world admits Radical Islamist is a problem.

France is already gone. 15% is muslim. They have 3.9 children on generous welfare benefits. Like most of childless europeans, natives have only 1.3 children - too busy working to pay taxes. Combined with immigration by 2046 France will be 51% Muslim and Sharia law will be implemented if not sooner based on terrorists wheel gets the grease.

You really expect French politicians to have any backbone and stem the tide?

"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure."
--Jacques Chirac, President of France

No chance. Head chopping will come back to France only trading the guillotine for the scimitar.

 

[magomago]

1prophet - reminds me a lot of LA riots as well. Then when I think about it, this sounds similar to run down urban areas in the US with lots of poverty that I've read.

I think the crime lords are very smart in using Islam and western political correctness as a very effective tool to fight the police, just how much the French are willing to take and how will they stop it is the question.

I agree. Crime has to be dealt with some way, but the French police need to approach is carefully and try to make a very clear cut line between the real issue and the religion...because it is those crime bosses that try to keep the line blurred as much as possible because of political correctness.



Babylon5 - what the hell does "radical islam" really have to do with this? Look at some of the events that are going on - A police officer tries to arrest a person not wearing a seatbelt, and rams a cop car who is blocking the path....and you think this is due to the "Radical Islamist"?

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Hate to say it... but GOOD, the sooner Europe wakes up to the threat of RADICAL Muslims the sooner the whole world can deal with this problem.

Disclaimer: Every Muslim I have known was a great person, and it is very sad that some crazies are stealing their religion and using its worst parts in order to fight their war. Imagine Christians going around and pulling a Samuel Jackson ala Pulp Fiction and killing people who they didn't agree with while yelling "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee. "

You don't need a fanatical Christian to walk around chopping up Muslims as if it was a Crusade. You have entire armies to do it for them. As far as they are concerned it is already being done on a world scale by way of wars. Wars that are not labeled as a Christian Crusade, but where the enemy is labeled as Islamic Fascists and where we exert our military might to impose our beliefs on others. The difference? It's better to have the hamsters in the wheel. The underlying difference is not ideology, but money.

The scope of this hypocrisy is truly jaw dropping.

Welcome to call me a terrorist, American hater or Christian hater but my forefathers, that I'm proud of, have done more to protect Christianity and the Western world against the fanatical Muslim movement than any nation that ever existed. If it weren't for them we would either be dead, slaves or converted Muslims.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: babylon5
Feel good poltically correct softies cry foul. Maybe half France should be destoryed before Western world admits Radical Islamist is a problem.

France is already gone. 15% is muslim. They have 3.9 children on generous welfare benefits. Like most of childless europeans, natives have only 1.3 children - too busy working to pay taxes. Combined with immigration by 2046 France will be 51% Muslim and Sharia law will be implemented if not sooner based on terrorists wheel gets the grease.

You really expect French politicians to have any backbone and stem the tide?

"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure."
--Jacques Chirac, President of France

No chance. Head chopping will come back to France only trading the guillotine for the scimitar.

While I doubt in 50 years France will be majority Muslims, I simply wouldn't mind a majority Muslim country in the western world only to show that they are not out to kill you. But france is ultimately going to have problems because of its views of integration.
Maybe in the future the Muslim population here in the US will grow, and since we understand that integration and assimilation is a two way street, I wouldn't be suprised to see many Muslims who would defend and love this country.

 

[Zebo]

More Jihad on the French.

It has happened again. On the heels of global Muslim rage against Pope Benedict XVI ? which led to riots and three killings of Christians ? a teacher in France has gone into hiding after receiving death threats. His offense? He published a column in the French newspaper Le Figaro in which he characterized the Muslim prophet Muhammad as ?a merciless war chief, plunderer, slaughterer of Jews and a polygamist.?

Redeker said that one of the threats he received stated: ?You will never feel secure on this earth. One billion, three hundred thousand Muslims are ready to kill you.? As the death threats poured in, everyone abandoned Redeker. The teacher himself noted that France?s education ministry ?has not even contacted me, has not deigned to get in touch to see if I need any help.? The senior editor of Le Figaro, Pierre Rousselin, declared on Al-Jazeera that he had been mistaken to publish Redeker?s article, and hastened to assure the Islamic world that the article did not reflect the opinion of the paper.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=24692

 

[magomago]

Zebo, what about the french who are Muslims? Jihad on French Muslims as well? Wouldn't be far fetched considering how many "Muslim" nations have fought eachother...then again always assume any country that declares a religion to be its "official religion" to be full of total sh|t...because we've had many countries claiming to be the representatives of virtually every religion attack eachother.

You will never feel secure on this earth. One billion, three hundred thousand Muslims are ready to kill you.?

And he knows this how? So the muslim haters want to generalize us, and some who are muslims [or accordint to some, only "claim" to be muslim] want to generalize us....hmm perhaps both stem from a common seed: hatred.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: babylon5
Feel good poltically correct softies cry foul. Maybe half France should be destoryed before Western world admits Radical Islamist is a problem.

France is already gone. 15% is muslim. They have 3.9 children on generous welfare benefits. Like most of childless europeans, natives have only 1.3 children - too busy working to pay taxes. Combined with immigration by 2046 France will be 51% Muslim and Sharia law will be implemented if not sooner based on terrorists wheel gets the grease.

You really expect French politicians to have any backbone and stem the tide?

"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure."
--Jacques Chirac, President of France

No chance. Head chopping will come back to France only trading the guillotine for the scimitar.

While I doubt in 50 years France will be majority Muslims, I simply wouldn't mind a majority Muslim country in the western world only to show that they are not out to kill you. But france is ultimately going to have problems because of its views of integration.
Maybe in the future the Muslim population here in the US will grow, and since we understand that integration and assimilation is a two way street, I wouldn't be suprised to see many Muslims who would defend and love this country.

I don't need to experiance it. I've seen what happens to infidels maginalization and outright slaughters once Muslims gain a majority like in Indonesia to Darfur right now. Or a thousand historical examples like the Armenian Genocide. I also understand the Qu'ran, the mandate from god for such actions and that Osama is a pious muslim deeply respected and would win Emir of the Islamic world if they were allowed to vote.

 

[imported_Aelius]

I don't know what the story here is. I don't know enough about it but people here seem somewhat clueless on the LA Riots and the underpinning reasons for it.

The media, in conjunction with politicians, put a spin on the story to make it not an issue of poverty, but an issue of radicalism. They interviewed tons of highly paid experts, politicians and even the President and not a single person on the street. They painted the whole issue with one brush and called it a day. The middle class ate it up.

It was during this same time that Democratic candidate for President Larry Agran, some say very informed on urban needs, was systematically removed from the view of the public eye by the media and was even arrested when he voiced his request to join a TV debate. His idea? Cut 50% of defense spending and put some of that into decaying American cities. He was the only leading candidate to go up against his own party for Cold War thinking and Cold War budgets.

While that exact move may not save France as they do not spend anywhere near as much on defense it does highlight the influence pedling to the middle class and the control of the media. A control of media that doesn't necessarily come directly from government, but from corporations that control the country. Corporatism once again seen without being seen.

Shame.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Aelius
I don't know what the story here is. I don't know enough about it but people here seem somewhat clueless on the LA Riots and the underpinning reasons for it.

The media, in conjunction with politicians, put a spin on the story to make it not an issue of poverty, but an issue of radicalism. They interviewed tons of highly paid experts, politicians and even the President and not a single person on the street. They painted the whole issue with one brush and called it a day. The middle class ate it up.

It was during this same time that Democratic candidate for President Larry Agran, some say very informed on urban needs, was systematically removed from the view of the public eye by the media and was even arrested when he voiced his request to join a TV debate. His idea? Cut 50% of defense spending and put some of that into decaying American cities. He was the only leading candidate to go up against his own party for Cold War thinking and Cold War budgets.

While that exact move may not save France as they do not spend anywhere near as much on defense it does highlight the influence pedling to the middle class and the control of the media. A control of media that doesn't necessarily come directly from government, but from corporations that control the country. Corporatism once again seen without being seen.

Shame.

What media were you watching? The LA riots were the result of the Rodney King video, who many minorities in LA who could relate to since many were at the receiving end of the LAPD street justice, and when the officers were acquitted the riots started since many believed the video was an open and shut case for police brutality.

Poverty itself was not the main cause that ignited the riots, real and perceived brutality at the hands of the LAPD was.

I remember it first hand but for those that don't. LA riots of 1992

 

[alchemize]

I love it when Canadians lecture us on the "real cause of LA riots". Aelius, you ever even been to LA? Do you even know any black americans personally?

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: babylon5
Feel good poltically correct softies cry foul. Maybe half France should be destoryed before Western world admits Radical Islamist is a problem.

France is already gone. 15% is muslim. They have 3.9 children on generous welfare benefits. Like most of childless europeans, natives have only 1.3 children - too busy working to pay taxes. Combined with immigration by 2046 France will be 51% Muslim and Sharia law will be implemented if not sooner based on terrorists wheel gets the grease.

You really expect French politicians to have any backbone and stem the tide?

"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure."
--Jacques Chirac, President of France

No chance. Head chopping will come back to France only trading the guillotine for the scimitar.

It's 6%, not 15%...

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: magomago

While I doubt in 50 years France will be majority Muslims, I simply wouldn't mind a majority Muslim country in the western world only to show that they are not out to kill you. But france is ultimately going to have problems because of its views of integration.
Maybe in the future the Muslim population here in the US will grow, and since we understand that integration and assimilation is a two way street, I wouldn't be suprised to see many Muslims who would defend and love this country.

There already is a large number of Muslims in the US mil. ( they have always been a part of the mil ) , the exact number is hard to find ( probably suppressed right now). But there are articles all over

Never should a believer kill another believer," pronounces the Koran.

Muslims in the United States military, the majority of whom are Black, might have questioned their role in the current war against terrorism after reading this line in Islam's holy book. But shortly after the Sept. 11 tragedies, Islamic scholars in the Middle East alleviated such concerns.

"It's a relief to hear the leaders of Islam say that it is permissible to be a military member fighting against Muslims under certain conditions," says Sgt. 1st Class Gregory Thompson, an African American Muslim at Fort Dix, N.J.

Issued by a group of well-known Islamic scholars - three in Egypt, one in Syria and one in Qatar - the Sept. 27 fatwa, or Islamic legal decision, declared it acceptable for Muslim U.S. soldiers to fight against enemies professing the same faith.

Muslim soldiers reconcile faith with U.S. military action

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Tango

It's 6%, not 15%...

That was 2 weeks ago. Them Muslims breed like Mexicans.

/sarcasm

 

[tvarad]

ProfJohn writes

"Disclaimer: Every Muslim I have known was a great person, and it is very sad that some crazies are stealing their religion and using its worst parts in order to fight their war."

The so called "peaceful" Muslim is the one who should be blamed for having his/her religion hijacked by the extremists in their midst. They are the real cowards who don't stand up to defend the reasonableness of their faith.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: babylon5
natives have only 1.3 children - too busy working to pay taxes.

Don't people always like to point out that the french are socialist pussies because they have 35 hour workweeks and 2 months mandatory vacation? WhenTF did that change?

 

[wazzledoozle]

Originally posted by: tvarad
ProfJohn writes

"Disclaimer: Every Muslim I have known was a great person, and it is very sad that some crazies are stealing their religion and using its worst parts in order to fight their war."

The so called "peaceful" Muslim is the one who should be blamed for having his/her religion hijacked by the extremists in their midst. They are the real cowards who don't stand up to defend the reasonableness of their faith.

Under that logic, the Islamic extremists can blame you for every civilian death in Iraq because you elected Bush to office and aren't stopping him.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: babylon5
natives have only 1.3 children - too busy working to pay taxes.

Don't people always like to point out that the french are socialist pussies because they have 35 hour workweeks and 2 months mandatory vacation? WhenTF did that change?

Good point, obviously they have way more time to screw, maybe it has to do with the hairy underarms and the smell?

Really I think the number of kids born can be related to the influence of religion in someone?s life. The right (aka Christians) have a lot more kids than those on the left do. Might have something to do with the fact that god and religion sort of gives you hope for a better life after death and all that. How many liberals have you heard talk about not wanting to bring kids into this awful world of ours? Ever hear someone who goes to Church every Sunday say that?
Just a thought....

 

[palehorse]

The French will be too busy coming up with ways to blame us or themselves to fix the problem.

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: babylon5
natives have only 1.3 children - too busy working to pay taxes.

Don't people always like to point out that the french are socialist pussies because they have 35 hour workweeks and 2 months mandatory vacation? WhenTF did that change?

Good point, obviously they have way more time to screw, maybe it has to do with the hairy underarms and the smell?

Really I think the number of kids born can be related to the influence of religion in someone?s life. The right (aka Christians) have a lot more kids than those on the left do. Might have something to do with the fact that god and religion sort of gives you hope for a better life after death and all that. How many liberals have you heard talk about not wanting to bring kids into this awful world of ours? Ever hear someone who goes to Church every Sunday say that?
Just a thought....

My answer to the bolded is the opposite. Usually the people I hear complaining about how "terrible" the world are, are angry conservatives fearful of change.

After 9/11 I remember hearing a woman in some place like Montana or Idaho saying she wasn't sure if she wanted to have children because the world was such a terrible place now. I kind of doubt she was a "liberal." My thought at the time was that bucolic Idaho may be one of the safest, best places in the world to have children.

However, conseratives do slightly out breed liberals in the US at least. Certain religious sects do tend to have larger families, the Mormons come to mind as do Shia Muslims, for instance in Lebanon. A bigger correlation with breeding world wide is education levels. But my feeling is that if France can work to integrate Muslim immigrants and educate them to typical French levels, birth rates will go down except among strict Islamic adherents.

 

[OrganizedChaos]

silly french..when a mob of people throw a molotov cocktail at a cop the cops are supose to respond with overwhelming force. asking for a watercannon is not overwhelming force.

 

[chcarnage]

The French general elections are near...