Jihad on France cops

[tvarad]

Termagent writes:

"But my feeling is that if France can work to integrate Muslim immigrants and educate them to typical French levels, birth rates will go down except among strict Islamic adherents."

The real question to be asked is why it is only Muslims who cannot assimilate into an adopted society given that non-muslim africans, chinese, indians etc.. don't have a similar problem, by and large..

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Excuse me if I have a little schadenfreude

You rang?

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: babylon5
Feel good poltically correct softies cry foul. Maybe half France should be destoryed before Western world admits Radical Islamist is a problem.

France is already gone. 15% is muslim. They have 3.9 children on generous welfare benefits. Like most of childless europeans, natives have only 1.3 children - too busy working to pay taxes. Combined with immigration by 2046 France will be 51% Muslim and Sharia law will be implemented if not sooner based on terrorists wheel gets the grease.

You really expect French politicians to have any backbone and stem the tide?

"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure."
--Jacques Chirac, President of France

No chance. Head chopping will come back to France only trading the guillotine for the scimitar.

Wow
So Chirac was actually right once upon a time?
Amazing.

To bad he's a conservative retard.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: babylon5
natives have only 1.3 children - too busy working to pay taxes.

Don't people always like to point out that the french are socialist pussies because they have 35 hour workweeks and 2 months mandatory vacation? WhenTF did that change?

It's the common enemy thing!

Now the french are good and all that jazz.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: babylon5
natives have only 1.3 children - too busy working to pay taxes.

Don't people always like to point out that the french are socialist pussies because they have 35 hour workweeks and 2 months mandatory vacation? WhenTF did that change?

Good point, obviously they have way more time to screw, maybe it has to do with the hairy underarms and the smell?

Really I think the number of kids born can be related to the influence of religion in someone?s life. The right (aka Christians) have a lot more kids than those on the left do. Might have something to do with the fact that god and religion sort of gives you hope for a better life after death and all that. How many liberals have you heard talk about not wanting to bring kids into this awful world of ours? Ever hear someone who goes to Church every Sunday say that?
Just a thought....

I think you're wrong. It's more about living life.
And most liberals tend to choose a life other than raising kids.

I for one just don't want kids, i hate those rotten little things.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: babylon5
natives have only 1.3 children - too busy working to pay taxes.

Don't people always like to point out that the french are socialist pussies because they have 35 hour workweeks and 2 months mandatory vacation? WhenTF did that change?

Good point, obviously they have way more time to screw, maybe it has to do with the hairy underarms and the smell?

Really I think the number of kids born can be related to the influence of religion in someone?s life. The right (aka Christians) have a lot more kids than those on the left do. Might have something to do with the fact that god and religion sort of gives you hope for a better life after death and all that. How many liberals have you heard talk about not wanting to bring kids into this awful world of ours? Ever hear someone who goes to Church every Sunday say that?
Just a thought....

Maybe the Sharia will be good for The French then. Very conservative and child centric religion. I could care less what they do other than when the islamists grab control of Western Europes armories via demographic conquest. Then we have problems.

 

[piasabird]

Just round em up and deport them.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: magomago

While I doubt in 50 years France will be majority Muslims, I simply wouldn't mind a majority Muslim country in the western world only to show that they are not out to kill you. But france is ultimately going to have problems because of its views of integration.
Maybe in the future the Muslim population here in the US will grow, and since we understand that integration and assimilation is a two way street, I wouldn't be suprised to see many Muslims who would defend and love this country.

There already is a large number of Muslims in the US mil. ( they have always been a part of the mil ) , the exact number is hard to find ( probably suppressed right now). But there are articles all over

Never should a believer kill another believer," pronounces the Koran.

Muslims in the United States military, the majority of whom are Black, might have questioned their role in the current war against terrorism after reading this line in Islam's holy book. But shortly after the Sept. 11 tragedies, Islamic scholars in the Middle East alleviated such concerns.

"It's a relief to hear the leaders of Islam say that it is permissible to be a military member fighting against Muslims under certain conditions," says Sgt. 1st Class Gregory Thompson, an African American Muslim at Fort Dix, N.J.

Issued by a group of well-known Islamic scholars - three in Egypt, one in Syria and one in Qatar - the Sept. 27 fatwa, or Islamic legal decision, declared it acceptable for Muslim U.S. soldiers to fight against enemies professing the same faith.

Muslim soldiers reconcile faith with U.S. military action

One of the 10 commandemnts is "Thou shall not kill". Then Mohammed comes along and says "Thou shall not kill believers".

That, along with a lot of what I see happening, causes me some consternation. As I've said before, if some of the Islam goverments brought some of these terrorists who are doing the kidnapping and beheading, to justice, it would make me feel a lot better.

I feel that if we had radical Christians in the US going around doing that, we would find them and bring them to justice. I'm left with the impression that all we get from the Muslims is lip service. I know we are by no mean saints, or even anything remotely close, but we would pursue those people and bring them to justice.

Or do you not believe we would?

 

[capece]

I think what we are seeing in this article is only the beginning of a far more serious problem. From my experience in Spain, at the very least, there seems to be a general distaste in the mouths of most native-born individuals concerning the recent immigration from Islamic countries. This comes from, as some people mentioned, the seeming unwillingness of these recent immigrants to meld into their new country and the culture that is included therein. As such (and this is all conjecture) I believe that what we are seeing in France will be merely the beginning of a greater European reaction against the Muslim people in their countries. This would culminate in a growing European nationalism and a further separation of native-born citizens from "the other." As this divide grows and as the disagreements become more and more "physical" in nature, as we see in this article, I would not be surprised to see a wave of anti-immigration laws passed. This would further compound the problem and result in even more drastic backlashes.

On the other hand, this same negative view of first-generation immigrants is something quite consistent in the history of the United States, and possibly the problems France is facing will pass as the second generation comes of age, as happened in this country. However, the difference may lie in the fact that, for example, the child of an Italian immigrant of the early 20th century wanted, in many senses, to "become" American and to adopt American culture. This same event does not "seem" to be happening in Europe, but that could merely be attributed to our limited scope of the present.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: Aelius
I don't know what the story here is. I don't know enough about it but people here seem somewhat clueless on the LA Riots and the underpinning reasons for it.

The media, in conjunction with politicians, put a spin on the story to make it not an issue of poverty, but an issue of radicalism. They interviewed tons of highly paid experts, politicians and even the President and not a single person on the street. They painted the whole issue with one brush and called it a day. The middle class ate it up.

It was during this same time that Democratic candidate for President Larry Agran, some say very informed on urban needs, was systematically removed from the view of the public eye by the media and was even arrested when he voiced his request to join a TV debate. His idea? Cut 50% of defense spending and put some of that into decaying American cities. He was the only leading candidate to go up against his own party for Cold War thinking and Cold War budgets.

While that exact move may not save France as they do not spend anywhere near as much on defense it does highlight the influence pedling to the middle class and the control of the media. A control of media that doesn't necessarily come directly from government, but from corporations that control the country. Corporatism once again seen without being seen.

Shame.

What media were you watching? The LA riots were the result of the Rodney King video, who many minorities in LA who could relate to since many were at the receiving end of the LAPD street justice, and when the officers were acquitted the riots started since many believed the video was an open and shut case for police brutality.

Poverty itself was not the main cause that ignited the riots, real and perceived brutality at the hands of the LAPD was.

I remember it first hand but for those that don't. LA riots of 1992

I said underpinning cause, not the igniter.

The cops were part of the underpinning cause along with the decades of living conditions or lack thereof.

Done making strawman?

You listen to big media way too much and don't stop to think. Just because everyone jackhammers something into your head for years doesn't make it so.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: alchemize
I love it when Canadians lecture us on the "real cause of LA riots". Aelius, you ever even been to LA? Do you even know any black americans personally?

Never been there, but yes I have had black friends, tho not recently. I also have two friends who live in Cali. I have watched documentaries that touched on the urban issues of LA but not one that specifically targeted that one subject. My primary source on my opinion on this is a documentary called "Spin" made in 1995. It shows you how the media and politicians spin issues or outright ignore them. It would be impossible without the corporate media's complicity.

I suggest you watch it sometime.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: Aelius
I don't know what the story here is. I don't know enough about it but people here seem somewhat clueless on the LA Riots and the underpinning reasons for it.

The media, in conjunction with politicians, put a spin on the story to make it not an issue of poverty, but an issue of radicalism. They interviewed tons of highly paid experts, politicians and even the President and not a single person on the street. They painted the whole issue with one brush and called it a day. The middle class ate it up.

It was during this same time that Democratic candidate for President Larry Agran, some say very informed on urban needs, was systematically removed from the view of the public eye by the media and was even arrested when he voiced his request to join a TV debate. His idea? Cut 50% of defense spending and put some of that into decaying American cities. He was the only leading candidate to go up against his own party for Cold War thinking and Cold War budgets.

While that exact move may not save France as they do not spend anywhere near as much on defense it does highlight the influence pedling to the middle class and the control of the media. A control of media that doesn't necessarily come directly from government, but from corporations that control the country. Corporatism once again seen without being seen.

Shame.

What media were you watching? The LA riots were the result of the Rodney King video, who many minorities in LA who could relate to since many were at the receiving end of the LAPD street justice, and when the officers were acquitted the riots started since many believed the video was an open and shut case for police brutality.

Poverty itself was not the main cause that ignited the riots, real and perceived brutality at the hands of the LAPD was.

I remember it first hand but for those that don't. LA riots of 1992

I said underpinning cause, not the igniter.

The cops were part of the underpinning cause along with the decades of living conditions or lack thereof.

Done making strawman?

You listen to big media way too much and don't stop to think. Just because everyone jackhammers something into your head for years doesn't make it so.

First off I REMEMBER IT PERSONALLY and I never had and still do not listen to the so called big media or watch television, poor people do not equal violent people, LA had many many gangs, the most famous at the time were the bloods and the crips, and they all hated the police more than any one else, the rodney king trial gave them the excuse to strike back at the MAN and anyone else they had a grudge against since law and order broke down.

Ironically it was the poor people that suffered the most since they received the brunt of the attacks and looting and their own neighborhoods were devestated.

And as for the so called Cold war budget much went back to the contractors and many subcontractors which California had thousands, and the same people in congress that railed against cold war spending were upset when their districts bore the brunt of the billions lost due to defense cutbacks which was called the peace dividend., unlike today where most of our dollars go overseas never to return in the form of jobs.