Jews Vs. Arabs

[Static911]

If the whole Middle East goes to hell and their are formal declaration of wars, I give Israel (w/o backing of US military) 4 days to squench everybody and everything around them. The Arabs can't hold back the chosen ppl!

Static911

 

[StageLeft]

What are you talking about. No way in hell israel could do that in 4 days. Chosen people? Boy...

 

[NFS4]

I wish they'd all shut the hell up and quit airing the stuff on TV. It's worse than the whole damn Florida thing being plastered over the TV.

"Palestinians kill an Israeli soldier and throw him out of a 4 story window"
"Israelis rocket a Palestinian personnel transport"

Bla bla bla, enough already!

 

[skywhr]

wtf? chosen people. umm is this a celebrity death match that didnt make it on the air?

Jews Vs. Arabs tonight on CDM!!

 

[thebestMAX]

STATIC-

4 days? Are you crazy?

It'll take em 7 like the last time.

 

[Bulbasaur]

Hold everything! My God, I can't believe you guys are joking about this. Real people are dying, real families are being destroyed--and you guys want an escalation or you don't care? What the heck? What the Mideast crisis needs is our continued prayers and support for a peaceful resolution. I don't know if you have any friends or family in the military, but I don't want to see mine go over there and risk their lives as pro-Israeli United States policy or as a U.N. peacekeeping force. I'd much rather see them resolve it peacefully before it comes to that.

 

[NFS4]

<< What the Mideast crisis needs is our continued prayers and support for a peaceful resolution. >>


We'll be praying until we die...how long has this &quot;feud&quot; been going on????


<< Real people are dying, real families are being destroyed--and you guys want an escalation or you don't care? >>


We've got enough stuff to worry about on our home front than to get involved in everybody elses affairs. Damnit, I'm beginning to sound like Bush:Q Yes real people are dying, and real families are being destroyed in America. Homeless, social upheavels, disfunctional families, injustices, poverty, etc. etc.
Let's get our own sh!t together before worrying about the rest of the world.

 

[skywhr]

ENCORE ENCORE NFS4 IS RIGHT

 

[Bulbasaur]

To be an American is to be concerned about the whole damn world, and not just for ourselves. I believe that the U.S. has been given its primary place in the world by God to be a force of good. Now this might sound like patriotic bull to a lot of people, but I believe in a greater America than most people will give it credit for. With all our great power and influence, how can we not extend our aid in situations where we might make a difference? In addition, even if our efforts may prove futile, have you ever done anything, even though you know it may very well fail, because you knew it was the right thing to do?

As to our domestic problems, they will always be with us. We work on them as best we can through private channels and public channels. However, just because we have personal problems doesn't mean we still don't go out into the world and do our job.

 

[lsd]

<< The Arabs can't hold back the chosen ppl! >>


Go SCREW yourself.

 

[NFS4]

I'm getting tired of us having to be the &quot;World's Police.&quot; Why would they listen to us anyway? Hell, most of the world thinks of us as the overachieving, snooty, brat that tells the teacher when someone does something wrong.

Let them work out there own problems. Heck, we went over their last month and got involved with a cease fire deal. Both sides agreed to it and the VERY NEXT day they were at it AGAIN. Nothing but a bunch of BS and photo ops for Clinton and Arafat, etc.

There's a time when enough is enough. We tried to help and they don't listen or take our advise. So I say &quot;You're own your own!&quot; Solve your own problems.

 

[Zucchini]

Yup, no way for anyone to help these people. Religion is TOO ingrained in their governments and that makes for ugh lack of rational reasoning I'm sure each beleives god is on their side.. got to love that I know there are many who aren't fundamentalists, but it doesn't seem like they have much control

 

[Wangel]

Choosen People? Choosen to be tortured, killed, and persucuted for their entire lifetime? They choose it upon themselves! Let the fighting in the middle east begin - actually it never stopped. Since peace negotiations can't stop it, let them fight to the end.

 

[Harvey]

Static911 -- <<Jews Vs. Arabs>>

Tthe dispute to which you refer involves the Arabic nations and the nation state of Isreal, NOT &quot;the Jews,&quot; a term that applies to all who believe in the religion, Judaism, as well as people like me who don't believe in any reliegion, but come from a Jewish family. I don't think most Jews around the world are going to drop everything in their lives and run off to play soldier in the desert sand.

<<The Arabs can't hold back the chosen ppl!>>

Every religion asserts their own superiority and connection with whatever divine power they claim exists. That dogma is the essence of a religion and the basis of their legitimacy, and it's all egotistical bullsh8!

Just for the sake of argument, consider that NO religion can claim a majority of the world's population. That means, regardless of which religion you name or claim as your own, if you were to take a vote whether that, or any faith was the &quot;true religion,&quot; it would lose.

Thanks for proving that we have raving morons from more than one denomination on this forum. :|

 

[StageLeft]

NFS4

Whatever problems the US has (like the ones you mentioned) pale in comparison to many other problems across the globe. There will always be disfunctional families and always some level of poverty. Always. Once these are at reasonable levels its time to devote the energy where it can most be efficiently used; in this case the US helping the rest of the world is a good call. As the world's superpower it is the US's responsibility.

No country and properly survive in a bubble, and if the US told everyone to go to hell you better believe it wouldn't be the super power for long. A total break down of peace in the middle east isn't good for anyone.

Of course in this case as has been mentioned religion is so fvcking ingrained into many of these countries it often seems hopeless.

 

[NFS4]

<< Whatever problems the US has (like the ones you mentioned) pale in comparison to many other problems across the globe. There will always be disfunctional families and always some level of poverty. Always. Once these are at reasonable levels its time to devote the energy where it can most be efficiently used; in this case the US helping the rest of the world is a good call. As the world's superpower it is the US's responsibility. >>


Ohh, so we're the worlds caretaker? What about the other countries out there? Why are WE always the ones that have to take the innatiative? What about England, Canada, France, Germany, and all of those other rich countries? I'm just getting tired of us having to solve all of the worlds problems. Fix your own damn mess and stop dragging us into it.

There comes a time when you have to stop depending on others to solve YOUR problems. That's right, YOUR problems. We can only help but so much. Maybe they should have some kind reform clinic for raging, warring countries.

 

[BDawg]

Being isolationists isn't the answer. Ignoring the rest of the world is a bad mistake.

So England and Germany don't want to do what is right? That's their problem. It doesn't mean that we shouldn't.

I'm not saying we should be the world's police; the situation in the middle east has far too much impact on the rest of the world to ignore.

Maybe we should have just ignored Hitler and let him kill the Jews, huh?

 

[StageLeft]

The US has the most power, and thus by definition should be taking the initiative - other countries often do what they can. Of course you don't hear about this because all CNN will do is tell you how the US is doing this and that.

And to add comment to the WWII statement just below me remember that the US was trying to ignore WWII, and although the country game in it was not before waiting two years. If pearl harbor hadn't of happened the US may have ended up trying to sit on the sideline too long and who know what would have happened. You can't wait until its directly your problem because then its too late.

If the person on the end of your street's house starts to burn will you wait until it hits your house? No, you help them because if everyone waits for their house to start burning it will be impossible to stop.

 

[NFS4]

<< Maybe we should have just ignored Hitler and let him kill the Jews, huh? >>


The only reason why we got in WWII was because of Pearl Harbor...if I'm not mistaken the travesties against the Jews had been going on for 2 years before we jumped in.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't help, but when there comes a time when we must back out. And now is the time. We've tried to help, they still keep fighting. Why waste our time and money?

 

[NFS4]

<< If the person on the end of your street's house starts to burn will you wait until it hits your house? No, you help them because if everyone waits for their house to start burning it will be impossible to stop. >>


True, but if that neighbor continually sets his house on fire and expects me run down the street everyday to help...he has another thing coming.

 

[thebestMAX]

Excuse me if I am wrong but didnt the original post say WITHOUT the help of the US?

Harvey-

Looks like our backgrounds and current beliefs are more similar than we knew. Now, if I could only get you to be a little less of a Democrat/liberal, we would be on even footing.

 

[wolf550e]

static911: shut the fu* up!
i am jewish, living in israel, about 30 miles from the &quot;warzone&quot;, so i am not objective and therefor i usualy keep my mouth shut when middle east issues are discussed, but people like you make it so much worse! we dont want war, we have that already. we really want peace, but if there will be war, i hope it will be in 2 years because i will be in the army by then, and we will win because we a re better than they are, not becuase some religius crap. we are not terrorists, and we dont blow up civilians, thats why we are better.

 

[cfredc]

Its really amazing how stupid some people are over here. If we do not intervene in these matters it could easily result in nuclear war. Everybody knows that Israel and Egypt have nukes. It only takes a couple Arab or Israeli &quot;martyr&quot; to launch these nukes and screw over the whole world. Not to mention Iraq with its bio-warfare missles. Personally, I think that we should declare Jerusulm (sp?) a UN territory and spilt isreal in two. Think about it, the major subject that was holding back the peace process what the spiltting of Jerusulm. More specifically, the land that contains the mosque with the golden dome and the Western Wall.

 

[DaBoneHead]

Egypt has nukes? That I didn't know was confirmed.



The US got the role of &quot;cop&quot; because while preparing for a war with the former Soviet Union, we developed an infrastructure that could project power anywhere in the world (except Tibet... don't get me started on Tibet and the lousy chinese).

Why is the US expected to lead when it comes to confrontations? Because most nations can't and we can. Sure some navies can move a certain amount of troops around, but nothing like the US. Therefore we can get forces to the flashpoints the fastest, and we have built up excellent command &amp; control and Intelligence gathering infrastructures.

However, this isn't the US policy anymore. The US is trying to build up regional powers and let them resolve conflicts in their respective theatres. Just like Australia did in Timor, that is what the US sees as the future.

The &quot;humble&quot; US that both presidential candidates referred to is a US who will be there if needed, but not on the front lines anymore. The world is tired of the US galavanting around the globe championing itself and its way of life.

Clinton desperately wanted a resolution to the Arab/Israeli/Palestinian conflict. With a resolution on paper, the US can gradually reduce its involvement in the area and its military support of Israel.

 

[StageLeft]

Sounds solid enough to me dabonehead. Help people help themselves