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Jewish "bomber" seized before Jerusalem gay parade

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Drift3r

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I am glad they arrested this overly religious nut case. Seriously there are way to many socially conservative religious nut cases in that part of the world.


http://www.abcnews.go.com/Inte...l/wireStory?id=3302237

Jewish "bomber" seized before Jerusalem gay parade
Israeli Police Detained an Orthodox Jewish Man Carrying a Small Homemade Bomb.
By Avida Landau
Reuters

JERUSALEM

Israeli police detained an Orthodox Jewish man carrying a small homemade bomb in Jerusalem on Thursday, as thousands of Israelis marched in support of gay rights in defiance of religious protesters.

"Police stopped a 32-year-old religious Jew who was carrying a homemade explosive device," police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said of the arrest before the annual Gay Pride march began.

About 7,000 police officers had deployed inside and around Jerusalem to protect the marchers -- about 2,000 of them by police estimates -- after threats from religious Jews, who take exception to the event being held in a city they hold sacred.

At a separate event some streets away, blocked behind police barriers, religious Jewish men in traditional black and white garb held a separate rally, intoning prayers against the march.

One man evaded police to approach marchers yelling: "Filth! Get out of Jerusalem!." He was escorted away by police.

In 2005, an Orthodox Jew stabbed and wounded three marchers and fears of violence caused a march to be cancelled last year.

Among those walking the route under rainbow banners and balloons close to Jerusalem's Old City, Judy Enteen, a mother from Jerusalem, held aloft a sign that read: "My gay son is a gift from God."

"I want people to know that being gay is a gift," she said.

Disputes over whether to hold the parade in the city have showcased one of many divides in Israeli society and raised questions about how to ensure the religious nature of Jerusalem, sacred to three major religions, is not compromised.

Many devout Jews, Muslims and Christians view homosexuality as an abomination. Most Jewish residents of Jerusalem are religious. A similar Gay Pride march in Israel's secular metropolis Tel Aviv passed without incident earlier this month.

Noa Satat, chairwoman of Open House, the organization which fought a series of court challenges for the right to demonstrate, told Reuters: "We are thrilled to be here today, celebrating our freedom of speech in the centre of Jerusalem."

A rally planned to take place at the end of the parade was cancelled, however, following a dispute between the organizers and the Jerusalem city authorities.

Police have arrested more than 130 ultra-Orthodox Jews in recent days after learning of plots to disrupt the march and during protests in Jerusalem and religious Jewish towns, where officers used water cannon to battle stone-throwing protesters.

(Additional reporting by Corinne Heller and Ari Rabinovitch)

Copyright 2007 Reuters News Service. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Copyright © 2007 ABC News Internet Ventures
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Simple solution for this, let the Palestinians have Jerusalem, no more potential gay parade bombers since there would be no more gay parades.😉
 
I'm glad they got him before he could do any damage. The residents of Jerusalem have enough problems.
 
I didn't see one word relating to terrorism in that article. He's obviously there to terrorize the gays in that march, not to kill them all. Double standard anyone?
 
So Narmer, calling a Palestinian suicide-bomber out to kill Jews a terrorist, while not calling an Orthodox Jew supposedly out to kill Jews a terrorist is double standards?

Seriously, you have to remeber the context in which you make your argument.
 
Originally posted by: Drift3r
I am glad they arrested this overly religious nut case. Seriously there are way to many socially conservative religious nut cases in that part of the world.
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What, they didn't egg him on and praise him with saintly status for wanting to kill people? Man, and people keep telling us about equality in the evil over there.
 
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: firewall
Yeah, he's just another terrorist using homicide bombs as a mean to forward his agenda.
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Fixed.
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Homicide bombing is one of the stupidest terms the White House/FOX News has ever dreamed up. I've seen headlines on FOX that say things like "four killed in homicide bombing". Thanks guys, way to clear that up. What do you think the bombs are supposed to do?

Is it really necessary to explain that bombs kill people? If so, I think we should let Al-Qaeda be for the time being and concentrate on our elementary school reading programs, because soon far more people will be getting killed by not being able to read the instructions on their toaster then Al-Qaeda could ever hope to match. (Note: the school thing might be a good idea anyway)
 
Originally posted by: Narmer
I didn't see one word relating to terrorism in that article. He's obviously there to terrorize the gays in that march, not to kill them all. Double standard anyone?
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only in your mind.
 
Originally posted by: dna
So Narmer, calling a Palestinian suicide-bomber out to kill Jews a terrorist, while not calling an Orthodox Jew supposedly out to kill Jews a terrorist is double standards?

Seriously, you have to remeber the context in which you make your argument.
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Yes so what's wrong about his statement? Is it only terrorism if a muslim kills jews and christians? Since when does religion matter when killing people. People that think like you are no better than those that act upon what they believe.
 
Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: sandorski
Fanatics/Extremists suck.


Yeah those pervs love to push themselves on people. They practically beg kooks to come after them.
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Don't get mad at gay people just because they threaten your tenuous grip on your preferred sexual orientation. You'll be a lot happier once you embrace who you really are. I can't say from personal experience, but it would be nice to be able to pick out nice clothes and have a tastefully decorated apartment 😀
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: sandorski
Fanatics/Extremists suck.


Yeah those pervs love to push themselves on people. They practically beg kooks to come after them.</end quote></div>

Don't get mad at gay people just because they threaten your tenuous grip on your preferred sexual orientation. You'll be a lot happier once you embrace who you really are. I can't say from personal experience, but it would be nice to be able to pick out nice clothes and have a tastefully decorated apartment 😀
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Tsk tsk on the gay stereotype (the one you have no experience with but admire). Your also implying having a sexual disorientation is a choice. Congrats to you.
 
Originally posted by: Butterbean
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Rainsford
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: sandorski
Fanatics/Extremists suck.


Yeah those pervs love to push themselves on people. They practically beg kooks to come after them.</end quote></div>

Don't get mad at gay people just because they threaten your tenuous grip on your preferred sexual orientation. You'll be a lot happier once you embrace who you really are. I can't say from personal experience, but it would be nice to be able to pick out nice clothes and have a tastefully decorated apartment 😀</end quote></div>


Tsk tsk on the gay stereotype (the one you have no experience with but admire). Your also implying having a sexual disorientation is a choice. Congrats to you.
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The 😀 means it's a joke, duh.

However, you'll note that I'm NOT suggesting sexual orientation is a choice...I'm saying that by treating it as if it IS a choice, a choice you can choose to reject, people just set themselves up for feeling depressed and angry with themselves. You can't choose to NOT like other men any more than you can choose TO like other men, but some gay people who should just accept their orientation seem to be under the impression that they can make themselves straight through force of will, and they never really seem happy with that path.

Long story short, I was suggesting that you fall into that latter category...although it's a lot less funny when I have to explain it.
 
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Jaskalas
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Drift3r
I am glad they arrested this overly religious nut case. Seriously there are way to many socially conservative religious nut cases in that part of the world.</end quote></div>

What, they didn't egg him on and praise him with saintly status for wanting to kill people? Man, and people keep telling us about equality in the evil over there.</end quote></div>

I am sure he is being looked at as a hero who was unjustly arrested amongst the Orthodox/Extremely religious population of Jews in that nation. A group of people who are very militant about their views and it seems willing to use violence to further their agenda. So don't be to smug.

 
Jaskalas said:
What, they didn't egg him on and praise him with saintly status for wanting to kill people? Man, and people keep telling us about equality in the evil over there.
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Human beings are complex and shaped by all sorts of influences and motives.

Even the modern embodiments of what we think of as pure Evil . Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin have had tens of thousands of pages written about them in the effort to determine what shaped and drove them, what accounted for their conduct.

To simply assert that such and such is "good vs. evil" or they are "pure evil" or "mass murderers" and leave it at that may be gratifying and easy, but it actually does not explain very much at all. A truely misguided way to look at the world.

There are two types of people in the world.

Those who believe there are two types of people in the world.

And those who don't.





 
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Yes so what's wrong about his statement? Is it only terrorism if a muslim kills jews and christians? Since when does religion matter when killing people. People that think like you are no better than those that act upon what they believe.
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I've laid it out clearly, but you obviously don't get it.

 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: firewall
Yeah, he's just another terrorist using homicide bombs as a mean to forward his agenda.
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Fixed.
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Homicide bombing is one of the stupidest terms the White House/FOX News has ever dreamed up. I've seen headlines on FOX that say things like "four killed in homicide bombing". Thanks guys, way to clear that up. What do you think the bombs are supposed to do?

Is it really necessary to explain that bombs kill people? If so, I think we should let Al-Qaeda be for the time being and concentrate on our elementary school reading programs, because soon far more people will be getting killed by not being able to read the instructions on their toaster then Al-Qaeda could ever hope to match. (Note: the school thing might be a good idea anyway)
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In a vacuum, you're correct. But given the realities of the the Middle East, I don't really have a problem with the term. To just say people were killed in "a bombing" would leave ambiguious the nature of the bombing ("Was it a suicide bombing?"). Adding "homicide" removes the ambiguity.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: firewall
Yeah, he's just another terrorist using homicide bombs as a mean to forward his agenda.
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Fixed.
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Homicide bombing is one of the stupidest terms the White House/FOX News has ever dreamed up. I've seen headlines on FOX that say things like "four killed in homicide bombing". Thanks guys, way to clear that up. What do you think the bombs are supposed to do?

Is it really necessary to explain that bombs kill people? If so, I think we should let Al-Qaeda be for the time being and concentrate on our elementary school reading programs, because soon far more people will be getting killed by not being able to read the instructions on their toaster then Al-Qaeda could ever hope to match. (Note: the school thing might be a good idea anyway)
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Do you also have a problem when the term murder-suicide is used to describe an incident when someone kills a bunch of people then commits suicide, or should that just be called a suicide as well? Suicide bomber is a perfect description for someone that kills themself with a bomb, but doesn't kill anyone else. Homicide bomber is a much better description for someone that kills other people as well as themself with a bomb. Why do some of you get so worked up over the term homicide bomber and not other things that include the term homicide?

How about calling them a murder-suicide bomber, would that help you sleep better at night?
 
Originally posted by: Butterbean
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: sandorski
Fanatics/Extremists suck.</end quote></div>

Yeah those pervs love to push themselves on people. They practically beg kooks to come after them.
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Yes, much safer to sanctimoniously beat people over the head with a book that has had more editors than a bad Hollywood screenplay and proclaim it as the one true totally irrefutable word of god.



 
Originally posted by: JD50
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: eskimospy
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: her209
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: firewall
Yeah, he's just another terrorist using homicide bombs as a mean to forward his agenda.</end quote></div>Fixed.</end quote></div>

Homicide bombing is one of the stupidest terms the White House/FOX News has ever dreamed up. I've seen headlines on FOX that say things like "four killed in homicide bombing". Thanks guys, way to clear that up. What do you think the bombs are supposed to do?

Is it really necessary to explain that bombs kill people? If so, I think we should let Al-Qaeda be for the time being and concentrate on our elementary school reading programs, because soon far more people will be getting killed by not being able to read the instructions on their toaster then Al-Qaeda could ever hope to match. (Note: the school thing might be a good idea anyway)</end quote></div>


Do you also have a problem when the term murder-suicide is used to describe an incident when someone kills a bunch of people then commits suicide, or should that just be called a suicide as well? Suicide bomber is a perfect description for someone that kills themself with a bomb, but doesn't kill anyone else. Homicide bomber is a much better description for someone that kills other people as well as themself with a bomb. Why do some of you get so worked up over the term homicide bomber and not other things that include the term homicide?

How about calling them a murder-suicide bomber, would that help you sleep better at night?
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Tell me, why was the term homocide bomber used ih in the first place? was the word suicide bomber not good enough?


but anyways, lets go to wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S....22Homicide_bombing.22

Some effort has been made to replace the term suicide bombing with the term homicide bombing. The first such use was by White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer in April 2002.[44] The Fox News Channel and the New York Post, both owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, are two media organizations that have adopted the term. Fox News began using the term after it was suggested by former Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu during an interview.
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