Jesus's middle name is Hume! Caution: Some NSFW images within!

[MotF Bane]

Keep peddling misinformation. :thumbsup: You certainly know, since you've looked at close to 30 skeletons. And weighed them. And controlled them for height. And ran statistical analyses describing how skeletons vary in weight. Oh wait, chiropractors still don't practice evidence-based medicine.

Here we go again!

 

[xanis]

the handiwork!

http://www.27bslash6.com/bieber.html


bwahahahaha

holy shit i haven't laughed that hard in a looonnngggg time

 

[eits]

Keep peddling misinformation. :thumbsup: You certainly know, since you've looked at close to 30 skeletons. And weighed them. And controlled them for height. And ran statistical analyses describing how skeletons vary in weight. Oh wait, chiropractors still don't practice evidence-based medicine.

1. it's not misinformation.

2. when people say big boned, they mean their bones are thicker than the average person... like a human bone versus a cow bone.

3. everyone's bones vary slightly in dimensions, but they all are relatively consistent in thickness. that's how we can tell if someone has something like, say, paget's disease versus being normal and healthy. there are mensuration with bones, which is why when someone has normal measurements we say that they're within normal limits.

4. you're right. most chiropractors don't. it's a shame. i do, however, within my scope of practice and refer accordingly. you don't know anything about how i practice or me. don't assume to.

5. get back on topic.

 

[BrownShoes]

 

[coldmeat]

The handiwork!

http://www.27bslash6.com/bieber.html


BWAHAHAHAHA

Even after knowing that's supposed to be Justin Bieber's face, it still doesn't look like him. That makes me think the whole thing is fake. The faces don't look like JB at all.

 

[BrownShoes]

 

[busydude]

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[Gigantopithecus]

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Wow, in a feeble attempt to circle the wagons, you only succeeded in betraying how little you know. To say everyone's bones are relatively consistent in thickness is breathtakingly ignorant. Both cortical and trabecular bone are well-known to remodel - including their thickness - based on normal, non-pathological patterns of activity. And that's not even considering intrinsic inter-individual variation due to genetics.

Wolff described this in the late 18000s and while the particulars of his observation are debated, it's called Wolff's Law for a reason. You'd know this if you bothered to read real osteology instead of pseudoscientific quackery.

Go educate yourself before you keep spouting misinformation:

Frost H.M.: The Utah paradigm of skeletal physiology: an overview of its insights for bone, cartilage and collagenous tissue organs, J Bone Miner Metab. 2000; 18:305–316

Exploring Femoral Diaphyseal Shape Variation in Wild and Captive Chimpanzees by Means of Morphometric Mapping: A Test of Wolff's Law
Author(s): Morimoto, N (Morimoto, Naoki)1; de Leon, MSP (de Leon, Marcia S. Ponce)1; Zollikofer, CPE (Zollikofer, Christoph P. E.)1
Source: ANATOMICAL RECORD-ADVANCES IN INTEGRATIVE ANATOMY AND EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGY Volume: 294 Issue: 4 Pages: 589-609 DOI: 10.1002/ar.21346 Published: APR 2011

Three-dimensional micro-level computational study of Wolff's law via trabecular bone remodeling in the human proximal femur using design space topology optimization
Author(s): Boyle, C (Boyle, Christopher)1; Kim, IY (Kim, Il Yong)1
Source: JOURNAL OF BIOMECHANICS Volume: 44 Issue: 5 Pages: 935-942 DOI: 10.1016/j.jbiomech.2010.11.029 Published: MAR 15 2011

Determination of dynamically adapting anisotropic material properties of bone under cyclic loading
Author(s): Besdo, S (Besdo, Silke)
Source: JOURNAL OF BIOMECHANICS Volume: 44 Issue: 2 Special Issue: SI Pages: 272-276 DOI: 10.1016/j.jbiomech.2010.10.005 Published: JAN 11 2011

The Facial Skeleton Is a Living Organ and Not Wood for Carpentry: Bone Healing as a Functional Adaptation to Mechanical Loading: Going Beyond Wolff's Law
Author(s): Habal, MB (Habal, Mutaz B.)
Source: JOURNAL OF CRANIOFACIAL SURGERY Volume: 21 Issue: 1 Pages: 1-2 Published: JAN 2010

Bone, Muscle, and Physical Activity: Structural Equation Modeling of Relationships and Genetic Influence With Age
Author(s): Lang, DH (Lang, Dean H.)1,2; Conroy, DE (Conroy, David E.)1; Lionikas, A (Lionikas, Arimantas)2; Mack, HA (Mack, Holly A.)2,3,4; Larsson, L (Larsson, Lars)2,5; Vogler, GP (Vogler, George P.)2,3; Vandenbergh, DJ (Vandenbergh, David J.)2,3; Blizard, DA (Blizard, David A.)2; McClearn, GE (McClearn, Gerald E.)2,3; Sharkey, NA (Sharkey, Neil A.)1
Source: JOURNAL OF BONE AND MINERAL RESEARCH Volume: 24 Issue: 9 Pages: 1608-1617 DOI: 10.1359/JBMR.090418 Published: SEP 2009

Who's afraid of the big bad wolff? "Wolff is law" and bone functional adaptation
Author(s): Ruff, C (Ruff, C); Holt, B (Holt, B); Trinkaus, E (Trinkaus, E)
Source: AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY Volume: 129 Issue: 4 Pages: 484-498 DOI: 10.1002/ajpa.20371 Published: APR 2006

The effect of a "bent-knee" gait on trabecular orientation: an experiment test of Wolff's Law
Author(s): Pontzer, H (Pontzer, H); Lieberman, DE (Lieberman, DE); Momin, EN (Momin, EN); Devlin, MJ (Devlin, MJ); Polk, JD (Polk, JD); Hallgrimsson, B (Hallgrimsson, B); Cooper, DML (Cooper, DML)
Source: AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY Supplement: 40 Pages: 167-167 Published: 2005

The aging of Wolff's "Law": Ontogeny and responses to mechanical loading in cortical bone
Author(s): Pearson, OM (Pearson, Osbjorn M.); Lieberman, DE (Lieberman, Daniel E.)
Editor(s): Stinson, S
Source: YEARBOOK OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY, VOL 47 Book Series: YEARBOOK OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY Volume: 47 Pages: 63-99 DOI: 10.1002/ajpa.20155 Published: 2004

That's just a handful of research published in the last decade that describes how bone thickness doesn't just vary between individuals, it can vary within an individual over time. I don't know, and I don't care, how you run your practice. But you do not know what you're talking about in this regard.

 

[RPD]

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Screw that, I kill those bastards.

 

[Kadarin]

That's a really fucking good question.

 

[Drako]

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Holy crap, start another thread or something guys. Nobody else cares

 

[Born2bwire]

Holy crap, start another thread or something guys. Nobody else cares

Yeah, we already know eits is a quack.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Wow, in a feeble attempt to circle the wagons, you only succeeded in betraying how little you know. To say everyone's bones are relatively consistent in thickness is breathtakingly ignorant. Both cortical and trabecular bone are well-known to remodel - including their thickness - based on normal, non-pathological patterns of activity. And that's not even considering intrinsic inter-individual variation due to genetics.

Wolff described this in the late 18000s and while the particulars of his observation are debated, it's called Wolff's Law for a reason. You'd know this if you bothered to read real osteology instead of pseudoscientific quackery.

I want to visit the late 18000's, do they have flying cars?

 

[cKGunslinger]

That's a really fucking good question.

Snopes

 

[eits]

retarded rant

you're completely changing the discussion. wolff's law describe's a bone's increase in density and bone growth due to increased stress on a certain portion of a joint. in other words, your bones reinforce themselves to better handle abnormal load over time.

that has nothing to do with being "big boned".

the phrase "big boned" is basically portraying the notion that the reason someone looks fat is because they have grossly larger bone density and thickness than the average person. therefore, muscle, fat, and skin appear to be bigger on them because their bones are thicker than the average person's. furthermore, being "big boned" is portrayed as being a SYSTEMIC, genetic "condition".

this is false. everyone has, basically, the same relative thickness in bone, unless they have something like paget's, mets, osteogenesis imperfecta, etc.

bone density of CERTAIN bones will increase in fat people, but that's not why they're fat. the density increases BECAUSE they're fat. even then, that doesn't mean their bones are big... it just means that they're more dense. density != gross change in thickness. it means a change in the trabecular bone pattern as well as an increase in bone material within the bone.

skeletal mensurations are universal, whether they're fat or thin. it's not like there are two different mensurations that radiologists need to look up whenever they're measuring on an x-ray. there are normal limits that bone sized fit within and they vary only slightly (a few millimeters).

if a bone were to become thicker in diameter, it is not normal. that would be indicative of a pathological fracture due to lytic metastasis, paget's, syphilis, anuerysmal bone cyst, giant cell tumor, osteosarcoma, pott's fracture, etc.

basically, the point is that fat people aren't fat because they're "big boned"... their skeletal structure, assuming their conventionally healthy and are of average height, is about the same as a thin person's (disregarding joint degeneration at multiple joints).

that's not misinformation. if anything, it appears that you're the one misinformed. if you weren't, you wouldn't be quoting well-known articles that say nothing about any direct correlation between a person's skeletal girth and its subsequent effect on a person's morphological category. all you quoted me is some stuff about osteoclasic and osteoblastic activity to re-engineer the shape and density of bones involved in motion segments that are under an abnormal stress load, typically due to altered biomechanics, in order to maintain its relative function or purpose within that joint.

understanding wolff's law and retraining the body to restructure itself to be more biomechanically friendly to reduce the rate of degeneration is a big part of how i treat patients for a living. don't try explaining to me something of which i'm keenly aware.

and born2bwire, go fuck yourself.

 

[Born2bwire]

and born2bwire, go fuck yourself.

I'm going to be honest with you. I never had an opinion about chiropractors before. I never went to them, never knew anyone that went to them. They were just some background on the fabric of life. But after I started reading your posts I have developed a complete disdain for the entire industry. If you are a representative of chiropractors then I have the upmost revulsion towards all of them.

 

[eits]

I'm going to be honest with you. I never had an opinion about chiropractors before. I never went to them, never knew anyone that went to them. They were just some background on the fabric of life. But after I started reading your posts I have developed a complete disdain for the entire industry. If you are a representative of chiropractors then I have the upmost revulsion towards all of them.

lol you're ridiculous. just because i said there's no such thing as some kind of "big bone"itis that makes people look fat? nice paintbrush... it's pretty big. do you use broad strokes when you paint with that thing?

 

[Balt]

 

[GTaudiophile]

god dammit this stuff is hilarious. more plz.

Fvcking epic!

 

[punjabiplaya]

I know it's a repost, but still:

 

[eits]

I know it's a repost, but still:

haha that made me lol

 

[RPD]

I feel sorry for them in that last picture :'(

 

[Born2bwire]

lol you're ridiculous. just because i said there's no such thing as some kind of "big bone"itis that makes people look fat? nice paintbrush... it's pretty big. do you use broad strokes when you paint with that thing?

Nope, this is due to the culmination of your behavior over the years.

 

[punjabiplaya]

I feel sorry for them in that last picture :'(

 

[chusteczka]

...
if a bone were to become thicker in diameter, it is not normal. ...

Does this mean those emails I receive about pills and such are not normal?

...
osteoclasic and osteoblastic activity to re-engineer the shape and density of bones involved in motion segments that are under an abnormal stress load ...

How big of a load must it be to qualify as "abnormal"?


By the way, you get a lot of shit but I think you defend yourself pretty well. It is as if they are intentionally pushing your buttons because they know you will respond.