Jesus Christ as a conservative and Rupublican?

[Deadtrees]

What I don't understand is that all these hard core Christians who are republicans seem to think that Jesus Christ was a conservative and would be a Republican. I know most, if not all, of religious people are not known for being logical as they're blinded by the faith but the very logic of it puzzles me much.

After all those years of being in chruch, haven't they learned that JC was the revolutionary figure who tried to 'change?' It's the figure who tried to wake up people from living in shitty rules of Old Testament. He was the one who, I believe, is the biggest revolutionary of all time: He raged againt churches that were currupt. He fought for the people who were low class. He fought against the church and those with power. He wasn't someone who was holding a baby all the time talking sweet things. Instead, He was a fighter who stayed with people.

Doesn't that tell those people to, at least, think one more time? Why is that those people who are so in love with JC doesn't see that they're likely to kill JC if he were here today?

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[ICRS]

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
What I don't understand is that all these hard core Christians who are republicans seem to think that Jesus Christ was a conservative and would be a Republican. I know most, if not all, of religious people are not known for being logical as they're blinded by the faith but the very logic of it puzzles me much.

After all those years of being in chruch, haven't they learned that JC was the revolutionary figure who tried to 'change?' It's the figure who tried to wake up people from living in shitty rules of Old Testament. He was the one who, I believe, is the biggest revolutionary of all time: He raged againt churches that were currupt. He fought for the people who were low class. He fought against the church and those with power. He wasn't someone who was holding a baby all the time talking sweet things. Instead, He was a fighter who stayed with people.

Doesn't that tell those people to, at least, think one more time? Why is that those people who are so in love with JC doesn't see that they're likely to kill JC if he were here today?

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This is not a repost of original thread that got locked. The original thread got locked because I replied saying 'Repost' which meant that I've reposed the same thing as a reply, not a repost of another thread.

Are you a christian even?

Jesus was a bringer of peace or anything like that. Jesus if he live was a war monger, a hate filled person.

 

[venkman]

The idea comes from a mindset that Jesus would be a republican because he hates gay people and abortions.

Everybody always thinks god is on their side and it has led to the bloodiest atrocities in human history. That is no fault of god or religion, just evil and corrupt men who need a quick, easy, and cheap way of stirring emotionally vulnerable people to do their bidding.

 

[techs]

Sits back, microwaves some popcorn..

 

[Duwelon]

Well, lets see how the values of Democrats and Republicans break down today:

Democrats are the party of:

- Abortion for all, the far left wants to allow abortions after the child is fully born.
- Anti - Religious in public places. There is no doubt, Democrats at large want nothing to do with religion in anything deemed "public". They willing indoctrinate our kids into a secular society. Then, when Parents want to take their kids out of public schools and into private or home schooled education, they are met with fierce opposition by Democrats. The let is fiercly anti-Christian more and more each day. It used to be the far left only but now you cannot be a good Democrat without being a secularist in the public square.
- Government is the answer to all problems. This isn't an obvious "would Jesus be against it?" argument, but it really is. Throughout the Bible, God's philosophy of a capable man's direction is clear : if you don't work, you don't eat. The left sets up welfare, social security, etc etc that attempts to avert the will of God. The result? More poor people than ever before, people enslaved to those that promised to help them in the first place and completely dependant on the rest of society.
- Illegal Immigration - do not take a strong stance against illegal immegration. Jesus was a proponent of obeying the law, the Democrats are all about breaking any law that doesn't help them.
- Gay marriage - only the left wants to re-define traditional marriage as between 2 men or 2 women.

Republicans are not perfect, but here's what Republicans are still the party of, or at least the lesser of two evils:

- Abortion outlawed. I think the general consensus is that Abortion to save the mother's life, ie a life for a life, is acceptable but the far right is all about allowing God to decide and live with that decision.
- Shocked by every legislative decision or court order that mandates the removal of traditional, Christian icons from the public square.
- Government is NOT the answer to all problems. Government is essential a society, but individual responsiblity trumps all else. My neighbor is not responsible for my welfare, and any care he gives me should come from his heart, not a government mandate.
- Illegal Immigration - Republicans were the key to defeating that legislature back in 2006 pushed by Democrats and Bush. As a republican, I don't care how many people come to the USA, I just want it to be done through the rule of law.
- Gay marriage - wants to keep marriage as defined as between a man and a woman. The Bible's stance on man on man or woman on woman relationships are clear. The left doesn't care. It's an abomination in God's sight. Homosexual (offenders) will not inherit the kingdom of heaven, the Bible teachers.

The bottom line is though, Democrats want nothing to do with God's definition of morality. Republicans generally do. There are many definitions of a democrat and a republican but if you ask me, most Republicans are generaly more Godfearing and guided by Christian principals where Democrats are generally more secular and guided by their own mob rule and often oppose traditional christian values.

 

[Acanthus]

What have republicans passed while they were in power to do anything about these issues?

You are fool if you think that the pandering to your emotions is anything tangible once they are in office.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Duwelon
- Abortion for all, the far left wants to allow abortions after the child is fully born.

Stop! No, really, you're killing me here with your impressive impersonation of a brain dead wingnut!

It's comedy gold! How DO you do it? :laugh:

 

[Chaotic42]

He would be some kind of green-libertarian hippy.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Duwelon
- Abortion for all, the far left wants to allow abortions after the child is fully born.

Stop! No, really, you're killing me here with your impressive impersonation of a brain dead wingnut!

It's comedy gold! How DO you do it? :laugh:

Pass the popcorn.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Duwelon
- Abortion for all, the far left wants to allow abortions after the child is fully born.

Stop! No, really, you're killing me here with your impressive impersonation of a brain dead wingnut!

It's comedy gold! How DO you do it? :laugh:

So drilling a hole through a baby's skull after it could be taken home by the parents is a laugh-riot huh?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Duwelon
- Abortion for all, the far left wants to allow abortions after the child is fully born.

Stop! No, really, you're killing me here with your impressive impersonation of a brain dead wingnut!

It's comedy gold! How DO you do it? :laugh:

So drilling a hole through a baby's skull after it could be taken home by the parents is a laugh-riot huh?

What the hell are you talking about? Link, please.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Duwelon
- Abortion for all, the far left wants to allow abortions after the child is fully born.

Stop! No, really, you're killing me here with your impressive impersonation of a brain dead wingnut!

It's comedy gold! How DO you do it? :laugh:

So drilling a hole through a baby's skull after it could be taken home by the parents is a laugh-riot huh?

No, clearly he's laughing at your sick, twisted make up stories.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
He would be some kind of green-libertarian hippy.

Probably closer to the truth than simply labeling him a Republican or Democrat, but I think asking the question is like asking what the color Green would taste like.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
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JC was the revolutionary figure who tried to 'change?' It's the figure who tried to wake up people from living in shitty rules of Old Testament.

I really don't think you're in any position to teach people about religion or JC. I think a person should at least have some grasp on subject before attempting to do so.

Fern

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Duwelon
- Abortion for all, the far left wants to allow abortions after the child is fully born.

Stop! No, really, you're killing me here with your impressive impersonation of a brain dead wingnut!

It's comedy gold! How DO you do it? :laugh:

So drilling a hole through a baby's skull after it could be taken home by the parents is a laugh-riot huh?

What the hell are you talking about? Link, please.

How about using your brain for once? Think partial birth abortion. Nevermind, your sick messed up type, along with Techs shouldn't go without an excuse. The far left wants abortions well after a baby is able to survive outside the womb.

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/ASMF/asmf10.html

 

[sandorski]

I think Mothers should have the Right to Abortion until they die. Might keep some people on edge enough to actually Think before Posting.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Duwelon
- Abortion for all, the far left wants to allow abortions after the child is fully born.

Stop! No, really, you're killing me here with your impressive impersonation of a brain dead wingnut!

It's comedy gold! How DO you do it? :laugh:

So drilling a hole through a baby's skull after it could be taken home by the parents is a laugh-riot huh?

What the hell are you talking about? Link, please.

How about using your brain for once? Think partial birth abortion. Nevermind, your sick messed up type, along with Techs shouldn't go without an excuse. The far left wants abortions well after a baby is able to survive outside the womb.

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/ASMF/asmf10.html

You do understand that religious right wing wingnuts posting this kind of stuff is not helping your cause? It is discrediting any reasonable case you might make.
Almost no one wants to kill babies (except a few sick f*cks). People just don't accept your religious determination as to when life begins. They believe they are not killing a living being by an abortion.
You're calling them murderers basically scares the cr*p out of them that you and your kind will actually get control of the government and force your religious interpretation on them.
Many, many people in the U.S. are descendents of people who came to the U.S. so they would be safe from people like you.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Duwelon
- Abortion for all, the far left wants to allow abortions after the child is fully born.

Stop! No, really, you're killing me here with your impressive impersonation of a brain dead wingnut!

It's comedy gold! How DO you do it? :laugh:

So drilling a hole through a baby's skull after it could be taken home by the parents is a laugh-riot huh?

What the hell are you talking about? Link, please.

How about using your brain for once? Think partial birth abortion. Nevermind, your sick messed up type, along with Techs shouldn't go without an excuse. The far left wants abortions well after a baby is able to survive outside the womb.

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/ASMF/asmf10.html

You do understand that religious right wing wingnuts posting this kind of stuff is not helping your cause? It is discrediting any reasonable case you might make.
Almost no one wants to kill babies (except a few sick f*cks). People just don't accept your religious determination as to when life begins. They believe they are not killing a living being by an abortion.
You're calling them murderers basically scares the cr*p out of them that you and your kind will actually get control of the government and force your religious interpretation on them.
Many, many people in the U.S. are descendents of people who came to the U.S. so they would be safe from people like you.

That sure is a lot of words. I'm not sure what cause you think i'm trying to advance here. My first post, before Perknose spewed his usual laughter fit as a crude self defense mechanism, was directed at the OP. Yours is now directed at me, making no attempt to argue on the merits of my post or the OP. In other words, buzz off like Perky did or start a new thread.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Duwelon
- Abortion for all, the far left wants to allow abortions after the child is fully born.

Stop! No, really, you're killing me here with your impressive impersonation of a brain dead wingnut!

It's comedy gold! How DO you do it? :laugh:

So drilling a hole through a baby's skull after it could be taken home by the parents is a laugh-riot huh?

What the hell are you talking about? Link, please.

How about using your brain for once? Think partial birth abortion. Nevermind, your sick messed up type, along with Techs shouldn't go without an excuse. The far left wants abortions well after a baby is able to survive outside the womb.

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/ASMF/asmf10.html

You do understand that religious right wing wingnuts posting this kind of stuff is not helping your cause? It is discrediting any reasonable case you might make.
Almost no one wants to kill babies (except a few sick f*cks). People just don't accept your religious determination as to when life begins. They believe they are not killing a living being by an abortion.
You're calling them murderers basically scares the cr*p out of them that you and your kind will actually get control of the government and force your religious interpretation on them.
Many, many people in the U.S. are descendents of people who came to the U.S. so they would be safe from people like you.

That sure is a lot of words. I'm not sure what cause you think i'm trying to advance here. My first post, before Perknose spewed his usual laughter fit as a crude self defense mechanism, was directed at the OP. Yours is now directed at me, making no attempt to argue on the merits of my post or the OP. In other words, buzz off like Perky did or start a new thread.

Weeelllllll......no.
Sorry, just because you think you have the sole opinion because you have a unique pipeline to JC you don't.
And yes its a lot of words. Some people actually make posts more thoughtful than you do.
And, isn't the religious rights attempts to make everyone conform to their unique interpretation of G-D's will the reason people are attacking your posts.
In other words you can't control what other think, say or do.
This is America. Not your own personal version of Jesusland.

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
What I don't understand is that all these hard core Christians who are republicans seem to think that Jesus Christ was a conservative and would be a Republican. I know most, if not all, of religious people are not known for being logical as they're blinded by the faith but the very logic of it puzzles me much.

After all those years of being in chruch, haven't they learned that JC was the revolutionary figure who tried to 'change?' It's the figure who tried to wake up people from living in shitty rules of Old Testament. He was the one who, I believe, is the biggest revolutionary of all time: He raged againt churches that were currupt. He fought for the people who were low class. He fought against the church and those with power. He wasn't someone who was holding a baby all the time talking sweet things. Instead, He was a fighter who stayed with people.

Doesn't that tell those people to, at least, think one more time? Why is that those people who are so in love with JC doesn't see that they're likely to kill JC if he were here today?

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This is not a repost of original thread that got locked. The original thread got locked because I replied saying 'Repost' which meant that I've reposed the same thing as a reply, not a repost of another thread.

You make some good points but you are perhap migrating into liberation theology with the "low class" stuff. Jesus did attack churches and religous authorities, and he was not the sissy Christ we get offered from the bald, pink faced priests who are eyeing the alter boy. He called the religious authorities "white washed tombs" full of men' bones and they killed him because he exposed them as fakers. The same would happen today and the phony churches would kill him again.

Jesus did talk about the noble poor and that the first in the world would be last someday and vice versa but he was no liberal who would take from people who work and give to bums so they can get votes:

"Matthew 6 v 1-4

?Be careful! When you do good things, don?t do them in front of people to be seen by them. If you do that, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

?When you give to the poor, don?t be like the hypocrites. They blow trumpets in the synagogues and on the streets so that people will see them and honour them. I tell you the truth, those hypocrites already have their full reward. So when you give to the poor, don?t let anyone know what you are doing. Your giving should be done in secret. Your Father can see what is done in secret, and he will reward you.?

Total description of liberals^^^^

He wouldn't be passing laws for cross dressers and teaching sex ed to 5 year olds either.

 

[magomago]

Duwelon what the hell are you taking about? Postpertem ABORTION? Makes no sense. The 'left' doesn't want abortion for all. That is twisting what it really is. When I say I want education for all, I want EVERYONE to get an education. There is no organized effort or even desire to have every female go get abortions! Many people are for CHOICE (like me), but still opposed to abortions! That is ridiculous for you to assume that the 'left' encourages abortions. They want females to have a CHOICE. If you don't want an abortion, don't get it. Simple. Should our government provide us with choices and let us be free agents, or should the government restrict us as much as possible? You talk about big powerful government, yet this would be the government trying to actively ban something, actively trying to control the population. Doesn't sound like putting things in the hands of the people and caring about individual responsibility, does it?

As for religion - I have my doubts at times - but understand that the government should NOT be a vehicle for any religion. Religion can exist within public life, those who at the helm of government can have their own religious views that they even talk about (which happens very often), but there is a clear line between walking up to people trying to preach to them, and using political power to force religious ideas to be taught in school as truth. If you are angry about topics like evolution and creationism, then you simply don't understand what creationism is (ie: philosophy). Classes to teach kids about religions are fine, but I'm not stupid enough to think that is the only thing that religious conservatives desire. Again, leave it to the parent to deal with religion, leave it to the friends of kids to share and discuss their own religion. Stop relying on the government to try to enforce your own agenda. To not promote religion does not mean to outright ban it. Go look at France if you want to see how banning religions work - go look at Turkey to see the type of discrimination that you fear. This isn't what happens in the US.
God's books all say that we should earn our living - to be lazy is not good. However, that doesn't mean that God did not have a lot of compassion and care for the poor to help them back on their feet. You talk about everyone relying on the government, when you earlier clearly wanted government to control people. Sounds like you want to rely on the government to carry out your social agenda.
As for illegal immigrants - laws, outside of of the many ones that are similar to morals, is something I am starting to see as arbitrary. How so? Whoever has the power can change the rules. You seem to think we all need to be beholden, when those in power clearly bend, twist, and reanalyse their own rules according to how they see fit. Republicans are no exceptions in this regard.

 

[sandorski]

In another thread, I challenged Christians to Prove the Biblical objection to Abortion. I got no reply. The Truth is that Jehovah's Witnesses have more "evidence" against Blood Transfusions in the Bible than Christians have against Abortion. The JW's stance on Blood Transfusions is ridiculed by Christians though, to the point that many Christians support forcing Blood Transfusion upon JW's(especially their Children). With that, I suggest that forcing Christians to Abort their Fetusses(Feti?) is legit.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: magomago
Duwelon what the hell are you taking about? Postpertem ABORTION? Makes no sense. The 'left' doesn't want abortion for all. That is twisting what it really is. When I say I want education for all, I want EVERYONE to get an education. There is no organized effort or even desire to have every female go get abortions! Many people are for CHOICE (like me), but still opposed to abortions! That is ridiculous for you to assume that the 'left' encourages abortions. They want females to have a CHOICE.

Make no mistake, being Pro-choice on abortion means you have no problem with someone choosing to murder the unborn. Saying you're ok with someone killing a baby in the womb but saying you're against it is just delusion at it's worst.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: sandorski
In another thread, I challenged Christians to Prove the Biblical objection to Abortion. I got no reply. The Truth is that Jehovah's Witnesses have more "evidence" against Blood Transfusions in the Bible than Christians have against Abortion. The JW's stance on Blood Transfusions is ridiculed by Christians though, to the point that many Christians support forcing Blood Transfusion upon JW's(especially their Children). With that, I suggest that forcing Christians to Abort their Fetusses(Feti?) is legit.

Not that you actually care, but here: "These six things the Lord hates, yes, seven are an abomination to Him: a proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that are swift in running to evil, a false witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren" (Proverbs 6:16-19).

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: magomago
Duwelon what the hell are you taking about? Postpertem ABORTION? Makes no sense. The 'left' doesn't want abortion for all. That is twisting what it really is. When I say I want education for all, I want EVERYONE to get an education. There is no organized effort or even desire to have every female go get abortions! Many people are for CHOICE (like me), but still opposed to abortions! That is ridiculous for you to assume that the 'left' encourages abortions. They want females to have a CHOICE.

Make no mistake, being Pro-choice on abortion means you have no problem with someone choosing to murder the unborn. Saying you're ok with someone killing a baby in the womb but saying you're against it is just delusion at it's worst.

Even "God" likes Abortion!