Jesus Camp

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
I hate to say it, but religious people disgust me.

I hate bigoted idiots and zealots, regardless of whether they're deists or atheists.

If it makes you feel better, I am disgusted by anyone who takes anything as fact without question. Religious people are only a part, and in actuality not necessarily fully included part of that group.

And if i'm a bigoted idiot, which it seems you are implying, does that make you a delusional fool?


/me has been in a flamey mood today.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
And if i'm a bigoted idiot, which it seems you are implying, does that make you a delusional fool?

No, that doesn't make me anything. Your being disgusted by religious people says nothing about me or my character. If you want to attack my character, you could at least try to draw some line of reasoning that doesn't originate from your anus.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Not true, I said "believe what they believe" not "behave..." Who's all about hasty generalizations now?

I could believe what they believe and not set up an 'indoctrination center.' You were citing the belief, not the behavior, but the behavior is what you actually have a problem with. Believe me - their behavior worries me as much as it does you. One lab tech in my department lives in a far-right-wing religious commune where the kids are international judo champions and all own, and often fire, assault rifles (ages 9-17). I have no problem decrying this behavior, but the belief system is not causally related to the behavior, even if it is highly correlated. The indoctrination system itself is the cause.

The guy dislikes me because I'm a Catholic. He dislikes me more because I'm a Catholic who has actually read the Bible. He dislikes me more still because I like to point out his inconstitencies. He really dislikes that I called him on his saying that Jesus said 'an eye for an eye', where Jesus really said exactly the opposite (You've heard it said 'an eye for an eye', but I say to you - if someone hits your cheek, give him your other cheek. paraphrase).

As a Catholic, I am acutely aware of what can happen when a religion gets power-hungry, as my own Church has done in the past. These past abuses are why the Catholic Church expends so much effort now teaching future priests the historical context and even the original languages that the Bible was written in so they can actually understand what was being conveyed by the original author rather than some literal interpretation. The fallacy of a literal interpretation, as Lewis Black likes to say, is that the Jews never took it literally before Jesus' time, and that any literal interpretation would be language-dependent, as idiomatic expressions vary considerably per language and culture.

/ramble

Thanks CW, I enjoyed that post immensely. Believe it or not, I'm actually very neutral when it comes to religion. It's generally only when the extremists start acting out that I have a problem.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
And if i'm a bigoted idiot, which it seems you are implying, does that make you a delusional fool?

No, that doesn't make me anything. Your being disgusted by religious people says nothing about me or my character. If you want to attack my character, you could at least try to draw some line of reasoning that doesn't originate from your anus.

I was going off your posting history, for the most part you seem to be a reasonable person, and someone brings up the topic of god, then the doors closes and the lights turn off.

And just for the record, lots of things disgust me, religion is only one of many things, mainly because I find it offensive to humanity and human potential.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
I was going off your posting history, for the most part you seem to be a reasonable person, and someone brings up the topic of god, then the doors closes and the lights turn off.

Maybe you can provide one example. I have about 6000 posts, so it shouldn't be too hard. When did the lights go off?

And just for the record, lots of things disgust me, religion is only one of many things, mainly because I find it offensive to humanity and human potential.

I don't understand atheism, but I don't find it disgusting. Perhaps disappointing.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
As long as those kids are not yours you have nothing to complain about!!

Well, this isn't precisly correct: It's everybody's business if parents abuse their children. There may not be much anyone can do about this type of abuse, but I'm definitely justified in being concerned.

There's a small section of the film where (as I recollect - it's been about a month since I viewed the film) the mother asks her children (I'm paraphrasing) "What is science?" The answer, "It's just a belief system."

That's scary.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Interesting documentary about some of the Christian Radicals in this country. Funny at the end how the organizer at the camp admits to using these kids the same way as our enemies (the Muslims).

On another note, can anyone else see Levi (the kid with the mullet) becoming the next David Koresh?

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
This film is proof that the "culture war" is being waged by these Christians in this country not against Christians. It's clear they want this country to be re-made in their image under their one religion.

fixed

Thank you.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
I was going off your posting history, for the most part you seem to be a reasonable person, and someone brings up the topic of god, then the doors closes and the lights turn off.

Maybe you can provide one example. I have about 6000 posts, so it shouldn't be too hard. When did the lights go off?

And just for the record, lots of things disgust me, religion is only one of many things, mainly because I find it offensive to humanity and human potential.

I don't understand atheism, but I don't find it disgusting. Perhaps disappointing.

What's there that you don't understand?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
I was going off your posting history, for the most part you seem to be a reasonable person, and someone brings up the topic of god, then the doors closes and the lights turn off.

Maybe you can provide one example. I have about 6000 posts, so it shouldn't be too hard. When did the lights go off?

And just for the record, lots of things disgust me, religion is only one of many things, mainly because I find it offensive to humanity and human potential.

I don't understand atheism, but I don't find it disgusting. Perhaps disappointing.

That quickly ended your quick string of responses. Still can't find one?

 

[ayabe]

I watched this whole thing yesterday, thanks OP!

I'm sad to admit that it was much worse than I thought, if you guys watch the links, in the last segment, this Fischer woman basically tells the radio dude that Democracy is a failure and that the only true form of government is through Jesus. She said that the problem with Democracy is that it tries to ensure equal rights for everyone. I am paraphrasing but watch it for yourself, that's exactly what she says.

This is very important, she admitted to what their real agenda is.

The other part that really got my goat was in the beginning, when they are with the military family and the mother makes the kids recite some whacked out version of the Pledge of Alligence while holding some Christian nation flag, an American flag, and the Israeli flag and then do some bible pledge. This little ritual was so the kids could eat lunch.

I fail to see how this is any different than David Koresh or any other religious cult.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: ayabe

I fail to see how this is any different than David Koresh or any other religious cult.

bingo. Also keep in mind that this is not mainstream Christianity. Sadly, some of the anti fundie crowd likes to cover all Christians under one blanket, too bad that method backfires all too often and only makes the anti fundies look worse.

anti fundies shooting themselves in the foot FTW

 

[mithrandir2001]

These seem to be downtrodden people in economically distressed regions that are looking for something and they see fundamentalist religion as a way out. It's a shame for these kids.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
http://throwawayyourtv.com/2006/12/jesus-camp-full-doc.html

I got through the first part and I am just appalled. Their rationale for brainwashing kids is so they, in a sense, have a weapon against radical islam-- who, last time I checked, do the exact same thing to their kids. So, if you can't beat them, join them? Is this the way our country is headed? Scare their population into submission and then partake in the same activities as the enemies we're scared of just under a different name?

No, not "downloadable." IF you have chosen to install the flash virus you can WATCH it.

 

[2Xtreme21]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
http://throwawayyourtv.com/2006/12/jesus-camp-full-doc.html

I got through the first part and I am just appalled. Their rationale for brainwashing kids is so they, in a sense, have a weapon against radical islam-- who, last time I checked, do the exact same thing to their kids. So, if you can't beat them, join them? Is this the way our country is headed? Scare their population into submission and then partake in the same activities as the enemies we're scared of just under a different name?

No, not "downloadable." IF you have chosen to install the flash virus you can WATCH it.

Download = any HTTP transfer between a remote server and your computer.

And no one told you to watch it, consider watching it, or any other act associated with it. So, um, leave OT comments to yourself?