Jesse Jackson finally gets it right.

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Here's the exact quote: ""Shut up! Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a f------ fork up your a--."

I'm confused: If the man were upside down, wouldn't the fork be DOWN his a$$?

No ever said the guy was smart.

 

[beyoku]

Yeah i do think we need to kill the N-bomb. I will never use it. My wife who is from Africa asked me what the word meant. I explained it is similar to the word "Galla" in her culture and she said she "felt like vomiting." "Why would they call themselves that word?" I couldnt really answer that question, she just knows not to use it because i dont.

But i guess to some it comes to: "i can say my wife is being a bytch, but you cant" x1000. If you could embody a person being molested as a kid, or someone whos mother has been raped = Into a word to taunt someone - This is how it hits to the core of some people. They will instantly fight. Some people would walk away.

*Latest personal experience - About a month ago I was at eating dinner - pizza with NEW class mates of an MCSE course. Both of them white, we were talking about Columbine and one said "Thats what happnes when Nigg* dont get Puss*" I Just looked at the other guy and said "Oooooh Kaaaay". And was going to leave it at that. He then said "OK What" and i basically explained that he shouldnt use the word at all. He then talked about how "black people use it and he used it with his black friends." He needed more explaining that he shouldnt use the word around "Black people he didnt know" or "Professionals" As he talked about how he didnt care i just wished i could PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE and get away scott free. Or have someone there that would have been the kind of person to punch him in the face. He just didnt get it and didnt WANT to get it. This was in NYC.

 

[Starbuck1975]

"Clearly he needs some race sensibility training, and some psychiatric help. His anger is volatile and dangerous to himself and others," Jackson said. "I hope he gets the help he needs. But the culture that's producing this kind of animosity toward blacks must be addressed. ... We're increasingly facing cultural isolation in Hollywood, in the movies and in TV."

But when Jackson makes statements like this, he loses me...prominant and well respected black actors have taken home Oscars in recent years...if the successes of Denzel Washington, Morgan Freeman, Jamie Foxx and Halle Berry represents cultural isolation in Jackson's mind, I am not sure what kind of racial integration would satisfy his worldview...Oprah remains a cultural icon in America, and black artists maintain a lucrative and prominant role in the music industry...professional sports as well.

Agreed. These urban problems are passed off as the problem of a black community. But ask yourself if there is such as black community. Or a white community, or Asian-American community, etc. When someone says its the black community's problem, all they are really saying is, let someone else deal with it and at the same time wash their hands of any responsibility.

That's not entirely true...society at large can create opportunities for inner city communities to improve the conditions that prevent its members for progressing up the socio-economic ladder...but we also cannot deny that their are certain dynamics in many of these communities that similarly erect barriers.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: beyoku
He needed more explaining that he shouldnt use the word around "Black people he didnt know" or "Professionals" As he talked about how he didnt care i just wished i could PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE and get away scott free. Or have someone there that would have been the kind of person to punch him in the face. He just didnt get it and didnt WANT to get it. This was in NYC.

This is the kind of hypocrisy that really annoys me: you think that he needs to be educated, or punched in the face for using the word ******/****** (sorry, I'm not trying to win a P.C. prize here). Not only that -- it almost sounds to me that you are saying that punching him should be an unpunishable crime.

Fact is that the word "******" has become an everyday word with the greeting "what up ******" being an equivalent of saying "hello". Nowadays everybody uses it in the USA: Mexicans, Italians, Russians, and Chinese.

The word has become part of the vocabulary of too many kids, and any attempt to "eliminate" its use will take extreme effort, and there can be success if and only if the black community stops using it.

(heh, kinda funny the word is being censored)

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: beyoku
He needed more explaining that he shouldnt use the word around "Black people he didnt know" or "Professionals" As he talked about how he didnt care i just wished i could PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE and get away scott free. Or have someone there that would have been the kind of person to punch him in the face. He just didnt get it and didnt WANT to get it. This was in NYC.

This is the kind of hypocrisy that really annoys me: you think that he needs to be educated, or punched in the face for using the word ******/****** (sorry, I'm not trying to win a P.C. prize here). Not only that -- it almost sounds to me that you are saying that punching him should be an unpunishable crime.

Fact is that the word "******" has become an everyday word with the greeting "what up ******" being an equivalent of saying "hello". Nowadays everybody uses it in the USA: Mexicans, Italians, Russians, and Chinese.

The word has become part of the vocabulary of too many kids, and any attempt to "eliminate" its use will take extreme effort, and there can be success if and only if the black community stops using it.

(heh, kinda funny the word is being censored)

Who said i was perfect?
So you have never wanted to "punch anyone in the face" for anything???
Even anything they have said? Sorry this is a human trait and everyone has it.
Knowing what kind of response i would get i could have kept that out but its only the truth so i left it in. Some of us in this board would KILL over words if they could get away with it. Punching someone in the face SHOULD be a punishable crime in certain circumstances. But yeah im sure you have never got into any fights. And i cant control or hold responsibility over the black communities use of the word. I can only take it each individual at a time and educate them on the word. That was the latest experience as i stated. The face punching would not have been because of the usage of the word per se... But more about the blatent disrespect towards me when i told him how much the word offends me and other blacks.
Im not perfect and i would punch many many people in the face if i could get away scott free. Some are regular joe sixpacks, some are work mates, some are in office. In that case one was sitting next to me executing the highest lvl of disrespect toward me and then joking about it,.
To say you have never thought of violent acts against others would be a lie. Im sure you would like to break some faces in those Israel threads that you always have to defend.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: beyoku
But more about the blatent disrespect towards me when i told him how much the word offends me and other blacks.

Was it really about the use of the word, or was it about the user?
Would you have been so riled up if he was black?

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: beyoku
But more about the blatent disrespect towards me when i told him how much the word offends me and other blacks.

Was it really about the use of the word, or was it about the user?
Would you have been so riled up if he was black?

Both, it started as the word (i gave him the benefit of the doubt) and it ended as he talked about how "He didnt care" and "say what he wants" etc. I MAY not say anything sometimes when black folks use the word. It depends on the setting and MAINLY on their age. At 17 I had baggy jeans, listened to gangster rap, did grafitti. I also used the word. As a kid the usage of this word is so widespread. Also it is not a profane word. At 17 I didnt use swear words but i used this word. This guy was in his late 20's / early 30's. Black people should already know about the history of the word and it's personalized in a different way. Then again, depending on the setting some people will fight you if you tell them they are wrong for using a word. (You can just "educate" thugs on a bus-stop \ I have been chased from a bus stop for telling a pregnant teen not to smoke.) I definalty point out when they use it to refer to anyone other than black folks. That is the BEGINNING to exposing their brain on how dumb it is to use the word in the first place. That way i can jokingly "school" a stranger without them getting mad. Its also an attempt to reprogram their brain. People have to actually be reprogramed not to use this word. Anyway i can say that me punching someone in the face is more of my personality if anything else. I DO believe in physical punishment for children and adults should not be immune. I would never punch a stranger in the face though............Maybe.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: beyoku

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: beyoku
But more about the blatent disrespect towards me when i told him how much the word offends me and other blacks.

Was it really about the use of the word, or was it about the user?
Would you have been so riled up if he was black?

Both, it started as the word (i gave him the benefit of the doubt) and it ended as he talked about how "He didnt care" and "say what he wants" etc. I MAY not say anything sometimes when black folks use the word. It depends on the setting and MAINLY on their age. At 17 I had baggy jeans, listened to gangster rap, did grafitti. I also used the word. As a kid the usage of this word is so widespread. Also it is not a profane word. At 17 I didnt use swear words but i used this word. This guy was in his late 20's / early 30's. Black people should already know about the history of the word and it's personalized in a different way. Then again, depending on the setting some people will fight you if you tell them they are wrong for using a word. (You can just "educate" thugs on a bus-stop \ I have been chased from a bus stop for telling a pregnant teen not to smoke.) I definalty point out when they use it to refer to anyone other than black folks. That is the BEGINNING to exposing their brain on how dumb it is to use the word in the first place. That way i can jokingly "school" a stranger without them getting mad. Its also an attempt to reprogram their brain. People have to actually be reprogramed not to use this word. Anyway i can say that me punching someone in the face is more of my personality if anything else. I DO believe in physical punishment for children and adults should not be immune. I would never punch a stranger in the face though............Maybe.

Are you saying that you wouldn't say anything if a black person says the word, but you would say something if a white person does? Thats racism.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: beyoku

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: beyoku
But more about the blatent disrespect towards me when i told him how much the word offends me and other blacks.

Was it really about the use of the word, or was it about the user?
Would you have been so riled up if he was black?

Both, it started as the word (i gave him the benefit of the doubt) and it ended as he talked about how "He didnt care" and "say what he wants" etc. I MAY not say anything sometimes when black folks use the word. It depends on the setting and MAINLY on their age. At 17 I had baggy jeans, listened to gangster rap, did grafitti. I also used the word. As a kid the usage of this word is so widespread. Also it is not a profane word. At 17 I didnt use swear words but i used this word. This guy was in his late 20's / early 30's. Black people should already know about the history of the word and it's personalized in a different way. Then again, depending on the setting some people will fight you if you tell them they are wrong for using a word. (You can just "educate" thugs on a bus-stop \ I have been chased from a bus stop for telling a pregnant teen not to smoke.) I definalty point out when they use it to refer to anyone other than black folks. That is the BEGINNING to exposing their brain on how dumb it is to use the word in the first place. That way i can jokingly "school" a stranger without them getting mad. Its also an attempt to reprogram their brain. People have to actually be reprogramed not to use this word. Anyway i can say that me punching someone in the face is more of my personality if anything else. I DO believe in physical punishment for children and adults should not be immune. I would never punch a stranger in the face though............Maybe.

Are you saying that you wouldn't say anything if a black person says the word, but you would say something if a white person does? Thats racism.

WOW, you have issues, maybe you just want to argue. See bolded area above. It has nothing to do with racism, you can use that as a blanket term if you want, but it doesnt make it true. Playing the race-card at me to designate how I deal with different individuals is lame. As i said "It depends on the setting and MAINLY on their age" I try to have well rounded views on things like this. Most threads i see you post in - you ignore everyones words and are just unrealistic, everything is not in black and white.

 

[imported_dna]

I don't konw; I had a hunch that you were more "harsh" with that guy because he was white, and what you said simply corroborates it for me.

You chose a story with a white guy, but do you have one with a black guy, one that you remember as vividly as the one you told us about?

The standards you apply are different, and that's the crux of the issue.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: beyoku

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: beyoku

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: beyoku
But more about the blatent disrespect towards me when i told him how much the word offends me and other blacks.

Was it really about the use of the word, or was it about the user?
Would you have been so riled up if he was black?

Both, it started as the word (i gave him the benefit of the doubt) and it ended as he talked about how "He didnt care" and "say what he wants" etc. I MAY not say anything sometimes when black folks use the word. It depends on the setting and MAINLY on their age. At 17 I had baggy jeans, listened to gangster rap, did grafitti. I also used the word. As a kid the usage of this word is so widespread. Also it is not a profane word. At 17 I didnt use swear words but i used this word. This guy was in his late 20's / early 30's. Black people should already know about the history of the word and it's personalized in a different way. Then again, depending on the setting some people will fight you if you tell them they are wrong for using a word. (You can just "educate" thugs on a bus-stop \ I have been chased from a bus stop for telling a pregnant teen not to smoke.) I definalty point out when they use it to refer to anyone other than black folks. That is the BEGINNING to exposing their brain on how dumb it is to use the word in the first place. That way i can jokingly "school" a stranger without them getting mad. Its also an attempt to reprogram their brain. People have to actually be reprogramed not to use this word. Anyway i can say that me punching someone in the face is more of my personality if anything else. I DO believe in physical punishment for children and adults should not be immune. I would never punch a stranger in the face though............Maybe.

Are you saying that you wouldn't say anything if a black person says the word, but you would say something if a white person does? Thats racism.

WOW, you have issues, maybe you just want to argue. See bolded area above. It has nothing to do with racism, you can use that as a blanket term if you want, but it doesnt make it true. Playing the race-card at me to designate how I deal with different individuals is lame. As i said "It depends on the setting and MAINLY on their age" I try to have well rounded views on things like this. Most threads i see you post in - you ignore everyones words and are just unrealistic, everything is not in black and white.

Once again, if you give a black person a pass on it but speak up if a white person says it then that is racism. I am not saying that you are a racist person, but that is racial bias.

 

[extra]

I don't think racist slurs necessarily mean you are racist at all lol. It's all in how they are used.

My asian friend says honkey a lot.... lol. He isn't racist, he's just teasing.

I make fun of myself for being a "pasty white cracker ass" all the time. Doesn't mean I hate whites (why would I rofl?) any more than a black person saying "N****gah please!" means they are racist either. A white guy saying that to his black friend doesn't mean he has anything against black people either, anymore than a black guy saying "you dirty cracker!" to his white friend. It's an absurd arguement. You can gauge people's intent. And if the intent isn't bad then there is no reason to be offended. There is such a thing as teasing!

The dreaded "N word" isn't anything special.

The day society actually becomes UN-racist enough so that we can all pick on each other's race like we pick on people for being blonde (ie with no malicious intent at all, just friendly teasing) will be a great day.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: extra
I don't think racist slurs necessarily mean you are racist at all lol. It's all in how they are used.

My asian friend says honkey a lot.... lol. He isn't racist, he's just teasing.

I make fun of myself for being a "pasty white cracker ass" all the time. Doesn't mean I hate whites (why would I rofl?) any more than a black person saying "N****gah please!" means they are racist either. A white guy saying that to his black friend doesn't mean he has anything against black people either, anymore than a black guy saying "you dirty cracker!" to his white friend. It's an absurd arguement. You can gauge people's intent. And if the intent isn't bad then there is no reason to be offended. There is such a thing as teasing!

The dreaded "N word" isn't anything special.

The day society actually becomes UN-racist enough so that we can all pick on each other's race like we pick on people for being blonde (ie with no malicious intent at all, just friendly teasing) will be a great day.

I agree, people need to lighten up, its the double standard that gets me. One group can say something but the other group can't, simply because of the color of their skin.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: beyoku

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: beyoku

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: beyoku
But more about the blatent disrespect towards me when i told him how much the word offends me and other blacks.

Was it really about the use of the word, or was it about the user?
Would you have been so riled up if he was black?

Both, it started as the word (i gave him the benefit of the doubt) and it ended as he talked about how "He didnt care" and "say what he wants" etc. I MAY not say anything sometimes when black folks use the word. It depends on the setting and MAINLY on their age. At 17 I had baggy jeans, listened to gangster rap, did grafitti. I also used the word. As a kid the usage of this word is so widespread. Also it is not a profane word. At 17 I didnt use swear words but i used this word. This guy was in his late 20's / early 30's. Black people should already know about the history of the word and it's personalized in a different way. Then again, depending on the setting some people will fight you if you tell them they are wrong for using a word. (You can just "educate" thugs on a bus-stop \ I have been chased from a bus stop for telling a pregnant teen not to smoke.) I definalty point out when they use it to refer to anyone other than black folks. That is the BEGINNING to exposing their brain on how dumb it is to use the word in the first place. That way i can jokingly "school" a stranger without them getting mad. Its also an attempt to reprogram their brain. People have to actually be reprogramed not to use this word. Anyway i can say that me punching someone in the face is more of my personality if anything else. I DO believe in physical punishment for children and adults should not be immune. I would never punch a stranger in the face though............Maybe.

Are you saying that you wouldn't say anything if a black person says the word, but you would say something if a white person does? Thats racism.

WOW, you have issues, maybe you just want to argue. See bolded area above. It has nothing to do with racism, you can use that as a blanket term if you want, but it doesnt make it true. Playing the race-card at me to designate how I deal with different individuals is lame. As i said "It depends on the setting and MAINLY on their age" I try to have well rounded views on things like this. Most threads i see you post in - you ignore everyones words and are just unrealistic, everything is not in black and white.

Once again, if you give a black person a pass on it but speak up if a white person says it then that is racism. I am not saying that you are a racist person, but that is racial bias.

Oh come on dude. Your just talking just to talk. There are many many factors OTHER THAN RACE and more important when deciding who and how your will address and possibly piss of other human beings. I dont treat all people the same because they are not the same. Period. You can exchange the word "bias" for "discernment" if you want but you know whats right. For the record here is a list of other people both white or black that i would give a "pass"if they said the word.

-People in Africa. - When i was there they used the word, just repeating 2pac not knowing a bit of english what so ever.
-Cops, if a cop said it i would let is pass. I would be scared
-Skin Heads - I would be scared and run.
-KKK's I would be scared and run.
-Biker guys and Biker Chicks - I would be scared and run.
-Gang members - I would be scared.
-"Big" people with muscles - i would be scared of getting beat up.
-People cooking my food - i would just leave the resturaunt.
-Babies - sometimes they just repeat stuff.
-Clowns, Ninjas, Pirates, ghosts, mummies, demons - etc.

All these people are not that same and in real life you cant treat them the same. Yeah that's "bias." If you want to be technical. I invited all my friends out for BBQ except my jewish and muslim friends. Never mind the fact that they dont eat pork. I gave the example of the guy in my school only because it was the latest personal example. One group i am really bias against is Fat people. Generally i always answer questions but this thread needs to die.

 

[maluckey]

beyoku

It seems that you are saying that a word cannot be used by certain people? Words are for use, not reserved for certain people. Racist remarks are racist regardless of he intent...and the results are the same. Separation and singling out of one race from the group.

Think of it this way

The intent in using racially charged words may be merely intended to hurt the recipient, not to declare that the person uttering the remark is actually superior. It shouldn't matter if you are white or black, or for what purpose the insult comes, the negative connotation of a racially hurtful remark directed at you is the same. It is a verbal attack, uttered for a self-promotional gain. Whether it is because you hate yourself and want others to feel like you (Blacks calling others Ni****, Etc) or you hate a single person and want to insult them, the intent is to belittle, and it shouldn't matter what color the issuer or the recipient is.

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Cosby is my Hero for standing up against the continuing isolation and perpetuation of the "victim" mentality of the lower-class black community. He constantly rails against being "Black" and stresses instead that one should reach out and be part of the community. He rails against violent Rap and Hip Hop music as well a speech that is obviously "Black".

Same goes for Immigrants by the way in my opinion.

QFT. I remember a couple of years ago at some rewards show when Wanda was (trying to) heckle Dr. Cosby and he was visibly irritated. She put in a shameless plug for her show and he said something to the effect of "we didn't need to yell and we spoke proper english on my show". I highly respect Dr. Cosby for the integrity with which he has lived his life.