Jesse Jackson finally gets it right.

[techs]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061123/ap_on_en_tv/michael_richards

'Kramer' apologizes, hires crisis expert

Jackson added, "We have to evaluate the use of the n-word and categorize it as hate speech, no matter who uses it."

FINALLY. I can't tell you how long I have waited for a black person to come out forcefully against the use of the n word by other black Americans as well as white Americans.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: techs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061123/ap_on_en_tv/michael_richards

'Kramer' apologizes, hires crisis expert

Jackson added, "We have to evaluate the use of the n-word and categorize it as hate speech, no matter who uses it."

FINALLY. I can't tell you how long I have waited for a black person to come out forcefully against the use of the n word by other black Americans as well as white Americans.

Wow, I actually agree with you on something. Good post.:thumbsup:

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: techs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061123/ap_on_en_tv/michael_richards

'Kramer' apologizes, hires crisis expert

Jackson added, "We have to evaluate the use of the n-word and categorize it as hate speech, no matter who uses it."

FINALLY. I can't tell you how long I have waited for a black person to come out forcefully against the use of the n word by other black Americans as well as white Americans.

Wow, I actually agree with you on something. Good post.:thumbsup:

It really is Thanksgiving

 

[glenn beck]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: techs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061123/ap_on_en_tv/michael_richards

'Kramer' apologizes, hires crisis expert

Jackson added, "We have to evaluate the use of the n-word and categorize it as hate speech, no matter who uses it."

FINALLY. I can't tell you how long I have waited for a black person to come out forcefully against the use of the n word by other black Americans as well as white Americans.

Wow, I actually agree with you on something. Good post.:thumbsup:

It really is Thanksgiving

lol

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: techs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061123/ap_on_en_tv/michael_richards

'Kramer' apologizes, hires crisis expert

Jackson added, "We have to evaluate the use of the n-word and categorize it as hate speech, no matter who uses it."

FINALLY. I can't tell you how long I have waited for a black person to come out forcefully against the use of the n word by other black Americans as well as white Americans.

Wow, I actually agree with you on something. Good post.:thumbsup:

:thumbsup: Equality is a two way street

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: techs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061123/ap_on_en_tv/michael_richards

'Kramer' apologizes, hires crisis expert

Jackson added, "We have to evaluate the use of the n-word and categorize it as hate speech, no matter who uses it."

FINALLY. I can't tell you how long I have waited for a black person to come out forcefully against the use of the n word by other black Americans as well as white Americans.

Wow, I actually agree with you on something. Good post.:thumbsup:

And I agree with both of you and Jackson at the same time...praise Jesus!

Seriously though, Jackson is right about this...hate speech is hate speech, no matter who says it. And as a matter of cultural cohesion, it almost seems WORSE when it's coming from your own group.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: techs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061123/ap_on_en_tv/michael_richards

'Kramer' apologizes, hires crisis expert

Jackson added, "We have to evaluate the use of the n-word and categorize it as hate speech, no matter who uses it."

FINALLY. I can't tell you how long I have waited for a black person to come out forcefully against the use of the n word by other black Americans as well as white Americans.

Wow, I actually agree with you on something. Good post.:thumbsup:

And I agree with both of you and Jackson at the same time...praise Jesus!

Seriously though, Jackson is right about this...hate speech is hate speech, no matter who says it. And as a matter of cultural cohesion, it almost seems WORSE when it's coming from your own group.

QFT

 

[jjzelinski]

I heard the clip yesterday on BBC and what stood out was how the first thing out of his mouth (at least in the clip) was how "fifty years ago you people would be hanging from a tree..." Am I the only one who finds that WAY more offensive than the use of the n-word itself? I was speaking with my wife about it and she felt that the n-word was worse, but to me Richards was attempting to illustrate their inferiorty to him by conjuring images of the darkest element of that aspect of our nations history and culture (lynching.) The n-word is a symbol of an entire spectrum of mistreatment but at it's most heinous end is lynching and that is EXACTLY what Richards was speaking of.

What's strange is how the audience is still laughing right along with Richards as he states this and carries on with this tirade, but only when the n-word is used do they take offense.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
I heard the clip yesterday on BBC and what stood out was how the first thing out of his mouth (at least in the clip) was how "fifty years ago you people would be hanging from a tree..." Am I the only one who finds that WAY more offensive than the use of the n-word itself? I was speaking with my wife about it and she felt that the n-word was worse, but to me Richards was attempting to illustrate their inferiorty to him by conjuring images of the darkest element of that aspect of our nations history and culture (lynching.) The n-word is a symbol of an entire spectrum of mistreatment but at it's most heinous end is lynching and that is EXACTLY what Richards was speaking of.

What's strange is how the audience is still laughing right along with Richards as he states this and carries on with this tirade, but only when the n-word is used do they take offense.

I think when he said the first line, the audience didn't realize he was using it in that context, just a "50 years ago, it would have more socially acceptable to kick any man's ass for heckling me."

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
I heard the clip yesterday on BBC and what stood out was how the first thing out of his mouth (at least in the clip) was how "fifty years ago you people would be hanging from a tree..." Am I the only one who finds that WAY more offensive than the use of the n-word itself? I was speaking with my wife about it and she felt that the n-word was worse, but to me Richards was attempting to illustrate their inferiorty to him by conjuring images of the darkest element of that aspect of our nations history and culture (lynching.) The n-word is a symbol of an entire spectrum of mistreatment but at it's most heinous end is lynching and that is EXACTLY what Richards was speaking of.

What's strange is how the audience is still laughing right along with Richards as he states this and carries on with this tirade, but only when the n-word is used do they take offense.

I think when he said the first line, the audience didn't realize he was using it in that context, just a "50 years ago, it would have more socially acceptable to kick any man's ass for heckling me."

Here's the exact quote: ""Shut up! Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a f------ fork up your a--." What's the significance of fifty years ago? That sure as hell didn't escape me the second I heard it.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
I heard the clip yesterday on BBC and what stood out was how the first thing out of his mouth (at least in the clip) was how "fifty years ago you people would be hanging from a tree..." Am I the only one who finds that WAY more offensive than the use of the n-word itself? I was speaking with my wife about it and she felt that the n-word was worse, but to me Richards was attempting to illustrate their inferiorty to him by conjuring images of the darkest element of that aspect of our nations history and culture (lynching.) The n-word is a symbol of an entire spectrum of mistreatment but at it's most heinous end is lynching and that is EXACTLY what Richards was speaking of.

What's strange is how the audience is still laughing right along with Richards as he states this and carries on with this tirade, but only when the n-word is used do they take offense.

I think when he said the first line, the audience didn't realize he was using it in that context, just a "50 years ago, it would have more socially acceptable to kick any man's ass for heckling me."

Here's the exact quote: ""Shut up! Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a f------ fork up your a--." What's the significance of fifty years ago? That sure as hell didn't escape me the second I heard it.

*shrug* you can draw whatever conclusions you want to.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: techs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061123/ap_on_en_tv/michael_richards

'Kramer' apologizes, hires crisis expert

Jackson added, "We have to evaluate the use of the n-word and categorize it as hate speech, no matter who uses it."

FINALLY. I can't tell you how long I have waited for a black person to come out forcefully against the use of the n word by other black Americans as well as white Americans.

ever heard of a guy named bill cosby?

 

[maluckey]

Cosby is my Hero for standing up against the continuing isolation and perpetuation of the "victim" mentality of the lower-class black community. He constantly rails against being "Black" and stresses instead that one should reach out and be part of the community. He rails against violent Rap and Hip Hop music as well a speech that is obviously "Black".

Same goes for Immigrants by the way in my opinion.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Cosby is my Hero for standing up against the continuing isolation and perpetuation of the "victim" mentality of the lower-class black community. He constantly rails against being "Black" and stresses instead that one should reach out and be part of the community. He rails against violent Rap and Hip Hop music as well a speech that is obviously "Black".

Same goes for Immigrants by the way in my opinion.

I have no problem with people wanting to maintain their own cultural identity, I wonder what might be different if my grandparents, who came to this country from Europe, had actually hung onto their culture a little better. While I'm happy to be just American, I wonder what it would be like to have more from my Irish roots than my red hair and the ability to drink virtually anyone under the table. And I see no conflict there, I think you can be an American without totally giving up your cultural identity, hell, America is starting to develop our own cultural identities for various parts of the country, and I don't think we're any worse off for it.

Cosby takes it a little too far in my opinion, but he does have a rather important point about victim mentality. Regardless of race or social background, NOBODY has even got ahead by bitching and moaning about their station in life and expecting other people to make things better for them. I'm not saying everyone in any community is falling into that trap, but I wonder if Cosby might be on to something.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
... And I see no conflict there, I think you can be an American without totally giving up your cultural identity, hell, America is starting to develop our own cultural identities for various parts of the country, and I don't think we're any worse off for it. ...

Different cultures are a wonderful thing and I'm not sure Cosby is saying they should be eliminated. It'd be a drab world without different styles of dress, regional cuisine, and local pastimes, but people shouldn't let culture get in the way of life. Culture and heritage should be a colorful addition to one's personality, but I too many people use their heritage as a defining feature. Blacks calling each other "niggaz" is part of that.

I don't define myself by my race. I've never referred to myself as an Austrian-American, or a German-American. I'm a father, a husband, a son, a brother, a techie, a biker. If racial issues are ever going to disappear that's how people need to define both themselves and others. By their actions, and not their lineage.

 

[BlancoNino]

Why are we still getting shocked over these "racist" words? They're only words, and they're only as bad as you want to interpret them. We need to grow up as a society if we can't tolerate simple words.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Why are we still getting shocked over these "racist" words? They're only words, and they're only as bad as you want to interpret them. We need to grow up as a society if we can't tolerate simple words.

Fvck yeah.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Why are we still getting shocked over these "racist" words? They're only words, and they're only as bad as you want to interpret them. We need to grow up as a society if we can't tolerate simple words.

OMG we agree on something again :shocked:

Exactly, it dilutes the whole purpose of FREE Speech when nothing but words take on a physical presence as a crime.

Yelling FIRE in a Theater != calling anyone the N word

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: maluckey
Cosby is my Hero for standing up against the continuing isolation and perpetuation of the "victim" mentality of the lower-class black community. He constantly rails against being "Black" and stresses instead that one should reach out and be part of the community. He rails against violent Rap and Hip Hop music as well a speech that is obviously "Black".

Same goes for Immigrants by the way in my opinion.

I have no problem with people wanting to maintain their own cultural identity, I wonder what might be different if my grandparents, who came to this country from Europe, had actually hung onto their culture a little better. While I'm happy to be just American, I wonder what it would be like to have more from my Irish roots than my red hair and the ability to drink virtually anyone under the table. And I see no conflict there, I think you can be an American without totally giving up your cultural identity, hell, America is starting to develop our own cultural identities for various parts of the country, and I don't think we're any worse off for it.

Cosby takes it a little too far in my opinion, but he does have a rather important point about victim mentality. Regardless of race or social background, NOBODY has even got ahead by bitching and moaning about their station in life and expecting other people to make things better for them. I'm not saying everyone in any community is falling into that trap, but I wonder if Cosby might be on to something.

I also think Cosby takes it too far. Not only does he NOT offer any solutions to issues he only lamblasts people for doing things that poor people do. Poor people for the most part are "Penny wise, Dollar foolish" Also Cosby has never attacked the Black Elite for contributing to the problems in the first place. Who creates the garbage songs? Who's name is on the 200.00 shoe? Stephon Maubery's "Starbury 1" Shoe cost 15.00! (or the white elite for that matter, who owns the recording industry)

Since its not a lot of black folks on this board, or at lest ones that go in detail I can tell you it is a lot deeper than you think, everything is complicated. The Negative attitudes and practices that unfortunately become part of African American culture go back hundreds of years. Even though culture in other races generally means : Food, dance, language, art, dress, and speech. For us those things are mostly tossed out the window in the American Definition and are exchange with what is really POP culture instead. Of all those "Bad" parts of Black culture we have you would be foolish to think that we have created them all for ourselves. Many of them are brought about by hundred year old stereotypes and outside forces. Brown Vs. Board of Education (@ 3:20) for instance shows how a black child will generally choose a white doll over a black doll because the black doll is "Bad" This was 50 years ago and today the test is replicated and black children still choose the white dolls. Now if you think black parents or parent teaches their children things like this then you refuse to see that many of these issues are brought about from outside sources. Mainly Society, and white society at that.

Many many people have said what Jesse just said. Not all of it gets front page. Positive music doesn't get played on the radio. Money is a big issue too. hiphop when from breaking and Afrocentricity to thugs and guns once outside forces took over. Not to toss the blame elsewhere but this is American problem. All of America shares the blame and needs to work on a solution.

It would be useless good for someone to "rail" and rant about how cosby cheats on his wife with tons of different women in a public forum on Marriage. That will not make him stop, they have to get to the core reason of why he is a cheater, what are the core reasons and offer solutions to stop him from cheating. Cosby has tons of problems to take care of on his own. I don't know why people put others on pedestals

 

[TheSlamma]

I never understood why whites were so concerned that it's okay for blacks to say the "n-word"

You MTV watching suburbanites still don't fit into the culture anyway.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: beyoku
Not to toss the blame elsewhere but this is American problem. All of America shares the blame and needs to work on a solution.

Agreed. These urban problems are passed off as the problem of a black community. But ask yourself if there is such as black community. Or a white community, or Asian-American community, etc. When someone says its the black community's problem, all they are really saying is, let someone else deal with it and at the same time wash their hands of any responsibility.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

I'm with you. I never use the word, but as long as black people insist on keeping it alive, then anyone who wants to can say it as far as I'm concerned. You wanna tell me its "hate speech"? Fine, then quit fvcking saying it.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
I never understood why whites were so concerned that it's okay for blacks to say the "n-word"

You MTV watching suburbanites still don't fit into the culture anyway.

I could care less what a black person says. The problem begins when I (as a white guy) would be called a racist bigot for saying the same thing. Its either ok to say or its not ok to say, shouldn't matter what color the persons skin is.

 

[maluckey]

"They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: 'Why you ain't,' 'Where you is' ... And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk. ... Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. ... You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth!"

Sounds like he's against bad parenting to me

"Ladies and gentlemen, the lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids ? $500 sneakers for what? And won't spend $200 for 'Hooked on Phonics.'

Again with berating parents for not being good parents.


Jese Jackson in support of Cosby:

"Bill is saying let's fight the right fight, let's level the playing field," Jackson said. "Drunk people can't do that. Illiterate people can't do that."

Jackson defending Cosby

To say that he (Cosby) is attacking defenseless poor people is only proving what he is saying. The Poor are not victims of anything other than lack of money. Poverty is nothing to be ashamed of. Willful ignorance, and allowing those in your charge to be ignorant IS shamefull.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Here's the exact quote: ""Shut up! Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a f------ fork up your a--."

I'm confused: If the man were upside down, wouldn't the fork be DOWN his a$$?