Jesica Santillan: Irreversible brain damage (transplant patient)

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Yeeny

Originally posted by: Storm
Man thats sad news. 🙁

I have a question though I didnt know she was an illegal immigrant... Who pays for her healthcare? The tax payers?

A private organization is raising money to pay for her healthcare, they have been involved for a while now. And to anyone condemning her, like you wouldn't have done the same thing if it were your child sick and dying. Bah, some of you make me sick.

Had she survived there was little to no chance they could have covered her costs, the drug therapy necessary to keep those organs working would cost $20K+ a year for the rest of her life. A year from now nobody will know who she was, whether she lives or dies.

As harsh as I may sound, the truth is the burden WILL fall on the taxpayers.

Viper GTS

Um what do you mean "Had she survived". Shes still alive? did you even bother reading the article?

Sure it'll fall on taxpayers, as does anything involved with Goverment, so what does it really matter? Goverment is going to take our money or not, doesn't matter what this girl did. Taxes wont increase over this, so play the tax blame game is kinda lame.

Of course I read the article, did you see my last sentence?

whether she lives or dies

You're the one that needs to work on reading comprehension.

Viper GTS

 

[LikeLinus]

They pay Mike Krzyzewski like 3-5 Million a year to coach a damn college basketball game, but youre bitching about a operation that cost chump change compared to that, to save a girls life.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Yeeny

Originally posted by: Storm
Man thats sad news. 🙁

I have a question though I didnt know she was an illegal immigrant... Who pays for her healthcare? The tax payers?

A private organization is raising money to pay for her healthcare, they have been involved for a while now. And to anyone condemning her, like you wouldn't have done the same thing if it were your child sick and dying. Bah, some of you make me sick.

Had she survived there was little to no chance they could have covered her costs, the drug therapy necessary to keep those organs working would cost $20K+ a year for the rest of her life. A year from now nobody will know who she was, whether she lives or dies.

As harsh as I may sound, the truth is the burden WILL fall on the taxpayers.

Viper GTS

Um what do you mean "Had she survived". Shes still alive? did you even bother reading the article?

Sure it'll fall on taxpayers, as does anything involved with Goverment, so what does it really matter? Goverment is going to take our money or not, doesn't matter what this girl did. Taxes wont increase over this, so play the tax blame game is kinda lame.

Of course I read the article, did you see my last sentence?

whether she lives or dies

You're the one that needs to work on reading comprehension.

Viper GTS

No Captain Retard. "Had she survived" Please explain that because she's alive and kicking. You just didn't put thought into your wording. I might need reading comprehension, but you need a brain.

 

[Yeeny]

Well, speaking as a taxpayer, I will gladly hand over what I pay to help out any child, any time that needs it. If the government can waste my money on stupid studies, and hammers at 150 dollars apiece, they can damn sure use it to pay to save, or at least try to save a kids life.

 

[UNCjigga]

More proof that Duke pays more attention to a patient's money than to the patients themselves! My friend is a med student there and he's told me some pretty sick stories about how the mentality of the chief surgeons is like that of a private hospital in some uppity neighborhood. "Send them to UNC Hospitals" isn't just a joke.

Couple this with the story I read in the Wall Street Journal yesterday about how sons/daughters of donors are getting admitted with much lower academic criteria than students who are being turned away (but can still pay their tuition)...and you get an idea of what Duke is all about. You should have read the one woman's quote in the paper. I can't link it because its subscription based.

Note: being a UNC student/fan, my opinions may be biased 🙂

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
They pay Mike Krzyzewski like 3-5 Million a year to coach a damn college basketball game, but youre bitching about a operation that cost chump change compared to that, to save a girls life.

And he's worth every penny if he generates revenue & the school profits.

The real issue here is whether or not the US has the responsibility to provide free health care to the rest of the world.

The answer should be a resounding NO, health care needs to be funded, developed, and implemented internally JUST LIKE IT WAS HERE.

Their goal should be self-sufficiency, not reliance on the pushovef giant of the west.

Viper GTS

 

[NFS4]

You're the one that needs to work on reading comprehension.

Viper GTS

So you place conflicting statements in your post then get defensive when someone calls you out on it

"Had she survived there was little to no chance they could have covered her costs"

is completely different from

"A year from now nobody will know who she was, whether she lives or dies"

The first makes the assumption that she already died. The last makes the assumption that no one would know whether she was dead or alive

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
i may sound cold and evil, but she is an illegal immigrant. She should have never had any operations.

They wasted 2 sets of organs on her too... almost as bad as that one baby that got 4 transplants of 4 organs or something like that....

 

[Pocatello]

I rather see my money being spent on $500 toilet seats by the government 😉, or millions of dollars investigating about a certain president whether he had sex with an intern or not.

 

[Yeeny]

If we are the most powerful nation in the world, then we hold responsibility to help as many others who are not of our land as we can. With power, comes responsibility.

 

[NFS4]

The real issue here is whether or not the US has the responsibility to provide free health care to the rest of the world.

The answer should be a resounding NO, health care needs to be funded, developed, and implemented internally JUST LIKE IT WAS HERE.

Do you know how many BILLIONS of dollars we give to foreign contries thousands of miles away? And now you're complaining about the money we spend on immigrants who travel a few hundred miles (or less) to come to the US?

Sh!t, we've been blowing money on different causes/countries/etc. for years, why stop now when it comes to health care for people living now within the US?

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
They pay Mike Krzyzewski like 3-5 Million a year to coach a damn college basketball game, but youre bitching about a operation that cost chump change compared to that, to save a girls life.

And he's worth every penny if he generates revenue & the school profits.

The real issue here is whether or not the US has the responsibility to provide free health care to the rest of the world.

The answer should be a resounding NO, health care needs to be funded, developed, and implemented internally JUST LIKE IT WAS HERE.

Their goal should be self-sufficiency, not reliance on the pushovef giant of the west.

Viper GTS

But she can't get adequite healthcare in her country like she can at a place like Vanderbilt and Duke University. I would call it "Self-Sufficent" that she paid 5k to get into this country, got moved up on the list, and received a transplant all while being illegal. She did a pretty good job at being a mother. She can't rely on the system in her country because it is under-developed and poverty stricken. What do you expect? You can't just frown on people cause you feel superior. Everyone deserves our help.

Obviously this country isnt built on freedom as long as it involves money.

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: Yeeny
Well, speaking as a taxpayer, I will gladly hand over what I pay to help out any child, any time that needs it. If the government can waste my money on stupid studies, and hammers at 150 dollars apiece, they can damn sure use it to pay to save, or at least try to save a kids life.

Where will you draw the line? When thousands of sick children from Mexico, North Korea and Afganisthan showed up in the US, do you expect the US to pay for their care too?

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: rufruf44

Originally posted by: Yeeny
Well, speaking as a taxpayer, I will gladly hand over what I pay to help out any child, any time that needs it. If the government can waste my money on stupid studies, and hammers at 150 dollars apiece, they can damn sure use it to pay to save, or at least try to save a kids life.

Where will you draw the line? When thousands of sick children from Mexico, North Korea and Afganisthan showed up in the US, do you expect the US to pay for their care too?

It's an isolated case. Don't blame her, blame the system. She got into this country and did all of that while illegal. Can you really blame HER, or the people who allowed it? Duke knew exactly what they were doing. They took the chance. They could have turned her away to another hospital. People are just being insensitive and blame her, but it's not like she did it alone.

 

[Yeeny]

Originally posted by: rufruf44

Originally posted by: Yeeny
Well, speaking as a taxpayer, I will gladly hand over what I pay to help out any child, any time that needs it. If the government can waste my money on stupid studies, and hammers at 150 dollars apiece, they can damn sure use it to pay to save, or at least try to save a kids life.

Where will you draw the line? When thousands of sick children from Mexico, North Korea and Afganisthan showed up in the US, do you expect the US to pay for their care too?

If we have the manpower to do so, then, yes, I do. If they took money out of all the stupid crap the government comes up with, like the terrorism risk rating scale, then we probably would. How many billions do you think they paid someone to come up with that colored chart?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
i may sound cold and evil, but she is an illegal immigrant. She should have never had any operations.

How in hell did you get lifer status with that attitude?
She was a child in need of an operation. Do you think any of the doctors or hospitals considered her status, other than she was sick and in need of health services?

:|

He's part of the Self Centered Me First Generation who feels entitled because he's benefited from the hard work of Previous American Generations.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Tripleshot

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
i may sound cold and evil, but she is an illegal immigrant. She should have never had any operations.

How in hell did you get lifer status with that attitude?
She was a child in need of an operation. Do you think any of the doctors or hospitals considered her status, other than she was sick and in need of health services?

:|

He's part of the Self Centered Me First Generation who feels entitled because he's benefited from the hard work of Previous American Generations.

Whoa, thing I've ever heard reasonably agreeable from your mouth Red 🙂 j/k

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: rufruf44

Originally posted by: Yeeny
Well, speaking as a taxpayer, I will gladly hand over what I pay to help out any child, any time that needs it. If the government can waste my money on stupid studies, and hammers at 150 dollars apiece, they can damn sure use it to pay to save, or at least try to save a kids life.

Where will you draw the line? When thousands of sick children from Mexico, North Korea and Afganisthan showed up in the US, do you expect the US to pay for their care too?

It's an isolated case. Don't blame her, blame the system. She got into this country and did all of that while illegal. Can you really blame HER, or the people who allowed it? Duke knew exactly what they were doing. They took the chance. They could have turned her away to another hospital. People are just being insensitive and blame her, but it's not like she did it alone.

I don't blame her, I can't blame her, the position she's in right now is in direct control of herself. Like you said, its the result of an imperfect system, but just because she slip through the crack, does that means its ok not to correct the problem and let it slide ? What will stop ppl from other country to puruse the same illegal thing whenever their children requires medical attention ?

A couple years back, Clinton execute the i245(Life) act which allow illegals who had been here for 10yrs of more to be pardon and attain permanent resident status. Good for illegals, but what kind of slap in the face is that for all the legals alien that has to go through years of legal and bureaucratic hurdle, when they see their illegal counterpart can just come to this country, do nothing and in 10yrs got legal status ?

 

[Storm]

Originally posted by: Yeeny

Originally posted by: Storm
Man thats sad news. 🙁

I have a question though I didnt know she was an illegal immigrant... Who pays for her healthcare? The tax payers?

A private organization is raising money to pay for her healthcare, they have been involved for a while now. And to anyone condemning her, like you wouldn't have done the same thing if it were your child sick and dying. Bah, some of you make me sick.

I guess I have another follow-up question. Whats to stop all of the world's poverty and sick-ridden people
from coming to the US to get free health care from the various organizations that want to help people? There are millions of people maybe even a billion. I'm not saying its horrible not to help people. I'm asking what's stopping them from using this for their survival?

I guess then the problem lies with the system. If so I'd rather have that fixed.

Edit
Caught up on the posts.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Storm

Originally posted by: Yeeny

Originally posted by: Storm
Man thats sad news. 🙁

I have a question though I didnt know she was an illegal immigrant... Who pays for her healthcare? The tax payers?

A private organization is raising money to pay for her healthcare, they have been involved for a while now. And to anyone condemning her, like you wouldn't have done the same thing if it were your child sick and dying. Bah, some of you make me sick.

I guess I have another follow-up question. Whats to stop all of the world's poverty and sick-ridden people
from coming to the US to get free health care from the various organizations that want to help people? There are millions of people maybe even a billion. I'm not saying its horrible not to help people. I'm asking what's stopping them from using this for their survival?

I guess then the problem lies with the system. If so I'd rather have that fixed.

The Border Patrol.

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: Yeeny

Originally posted by: rufruf44

Originally posted by: Yeeny
Well, speaking as a taxpayer, I will gladly hand over what I pay to help out any child, any time that needs it. If the government can waste my money on stupid studies, and hammers at 150 dollars apiece, they can damn sure use it to pay to save, or at least try to save a kids life.

Where will you draw the line? When thousands of sick children from Mexico, North Korea and Afganisthan showed up in the US, do you expect the US to pay for their care too?

If we have the manpower to do so, then, yes, I do. If they took money out of all the stupid crap the government comes up with, like the terrorism risk rating scale, then we probably would. How many billions do you think they paid someone to come up with that colored chart?

There's a limit to do that. And all those wasteful $$$ that the government spend should be returned back to the tax payer. I'm sure there're plenty of people, who would rather use the refund back from the government to pay for their debt, pay their kid's college tuition, support their elderly parent or save for retirement. People are not angel, the only thing that matter is how many people think like you, and how many ppl think like me and rather use the $$$ for my own needs than trying to help everyone.

 

[Jugernot]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
FOX News is reporting that Jesica Santillan, who received a second transplant to correct the previous mistake, now has irreversible brain damage, and doctors are saying that she's unlikely to recover. Sad news, regardless of your point of view regarding her immigration status.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/874197.asp?0cv=CB20 (Previous link on the story.)

Such a waste of a set of organs...

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: NFS4

You're the one that needs to work on reading comprehension.

Viper GTS

So you place conflicting statements in your post then get defensive when someone calls you out on it

"Had she survived there was little to no chance they could have covered her costs"

is completely different from

"A year from now nobody will know who she was, whether she lives or dies"

The first makes the assumption that she already died. The last makes the assumption that no one would know whether she was dead or alive

The paragraph was structured exactly as I wanted it, to refer both to the likely outcome as well as her present condition.

If you would like me to re-phrase things for you with smaller words and less complicated sentence/paragraph structure, just PM me & I'll happily translate for you.

For the rest of you:

I have no problem with her. Hell, I would love to see her survive. I honestly hope she does. And I don't even particularly mind that we'll likely end up paying for her health care.

However...

This establishes a precedent that we CANNOT have if we wish to maintain the rapid advancements we have made in medical technology. Research is PROFIT driven, companies do not spend billions in hopes of saving 17 year old girls, they want to make money. They are exactly the same as the companies that make cars, books, and condoms.

If you willfully destroy their ability to profit, there will be no advancement. That is bad for EVERYONE - You, me, and 17 year old mexican girls with heart defects.

There's a much bigger picture here than one illegal immigrant, the US is a world leader in medical technology. That benefits the entire world.

Viper GTS

 

[Jugernot]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
i may sound cold and evil, but she is an illegal immigrant. She should have never had any operations.

She's a human being for god sakes:|

You go down to mexico and try to get a transplant..... telling people "I'm a human being" doesn't mean squat. THey can't afford to give transplants to illegal immigrants. We shouldn't either...

 

[aswedc]

God the media focuses on one case and everyone gets all upset and looses focus. What about the thousands and thousands that die of easily preventable causes all over the world every day? The incredible amount of money that has been spent on this girl and keeping her alive for the rest of her life could have saved thousands of lives of those starving around the world. The fact that she is illegal only makes it worse, what about the people with life threatening medical conditions who await the limited care available in Mexico? Say what you want about me, but I think this is an incredible waste of money and we have to draw the line in cases like this and just refuse treatment.