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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
To be extra fair, if MLB pitchers were standing as close as she is, no one would see anything
heh
but then remember she pitches ~70mph and MLB pitch around ~100 (well some)
But she's only standing 43 feet away! If MLB pitchers were 60 ft. away and not the customary 60 ft. 6 inches, Randy Johnson and Eric Gagne would be pretty much unhittable. 6 inches makes that much of a difference. Imagine how much of a difference 17 feet makes.
I can't stand these sort of comparisons. Apples to oranges. They do the same thing with little leaguers.
The fact that they were missing has alot more to do with the different release point, pitching motion, and their timing, than with the velocity. Any one of those guys can hit a 100mph fastball, especially if it's the size of a softball. Just watch how much they get screwed up when a pitcher has a jerky motion, hides the ball well, or sports a dramatically different arm angle (sidearm deliveries). To a batter timing is critical, if anything is off, their timing gets messed up, rxn time increases, and mechanics go south. Same thing with women swinging at baseballs with wooden bats. She even sports pitches they've never seen before (riseball? screwball?). Apples to oranges.
BTW... she's got the biggest forehead (or fivehead) this side of Tyra Banks.
The fact that they were missing has alot more to do with the different release point, pitching motion, and their timing, than with the velocity. Any one of those guys can hit a 100mph fastball, especially if it's the size of a softball. Just watch how much they get screwed up when a pitcher has a jerky motion, hides the ball well, or sports a dramatically different arm angle (sidearm deliveries). To a batter timing is critical, if anything is off, their timing gets messed up, rxn time increases, and mechanics go south. Same thing with women swinging at baseballs with wooden bats. She even sports pitches they've never seen before (riseball? screwball?). Apples to oranges.
BTW... she's got the biggest forehead (or fivehead) this side of Tyra Banks.
BS. Hitters move around in the batters box, sometimes 6 inches. They would adjust and keep hitting again.
Remember even the mighty Nolan Ryan who's had the fastest ball in history (some say 100mph+) had a 3.19 ERA. Speed isn't everything in pitching. Location and pitch variety are far more important.
Gagne's unhittable because of the change-up, Johnson was unhittable because of the release point and wicked slider.
Because Ryan walked a ton of people. He was the most unhittable pitcher in baseball history.
Though I'd agree that location and variety are important too, of course.
Nolan Ryan doesn't as far as I know have the fastest fastball in history. I don't disagree with you that location, changing speeds, and movement aren't important because they are. But if you're throwing high 90's consistently you can get away with a lot that a low 80's workhorse can't. If a pitcher misses over the plate with his 100 mph he might get away with it, but if someone throwing 85 leaves it over, that ball is ending up in the bleachers.
Let me put it this way, if she throws a 48 mph change-up and a 70 mph from 60.5 ft both will get destroyed. Because the hitters would have plenty of time to sit and wait on either one. If I put the fifth starter of any MLB team at 43 feet nobody touches anything, why? Because an 85 mph fastball at 43 feet gives you equal reaction time to a 120mph fastball at 60.5 ft.
Jenny Finch is a fantastic softball pitcher, but saying that she's so much better than MLB pitchers because hitters can't touch her is ridiculous. This is putting aside the fact that the hitters have never seen some of the pitches she throws because they are very uncommon (screwball) or because they just can't be thrown with an overhand motion (rise ball).
agreed, he probably is doing it on steroids, but he is without question the best hitter in our generation, mb ever.
his hand-eye coordination and bat speed are amazing.
gary sheffield probably has a bit faster swing than bonds but no where near the control or accuracy of bonds. with shef, it's a violent jerking motion that is hit or miss, with bonds its a smooth easy swing that is one of the best i've ever seen.
QFT.
Most of these hitters probably haven't seen a ball thrown from that angle since they were 5 years old. Plus a lot of her pitches probably move considerably different than pitches do that are thrown overhand. To put hitters up against that for the first time, yeah a lot of them are going to strike out. Once they were to see hundreds, thousands of pitches like they do in the majors they would make adjustments and start making contact.
This is not to take away from how good she is, I'm just saying that it is a different style that one has to get used to.
Also, I love that part.
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