Jeffrey Epstein Commits Suicide at Manhattan Jail

[Jhhnn]

Or maybe some people just aren't very susceptible to believing conspiracy theories.

Poor Vince Foster!

 

[fskimospy]

Also it’s kind of funny that conservatives think a former president with no power had Epstein murdered and not the current president who literally controlled his conditions of confinement.

 

[Juiblex]

Or maybe some people just aren't very susceptible to believing conspiracy theories.

Maybe some people should be....

 

[Ichinisan]

Hugh Hurwitz is the acting director of the Federal Bureau of Prisons. The Federal Bureau of Prisons is part of the Department of Justice run by William Barr. In this narrative are Hutwitz and Barr compromised by Slick Willie Clinton or just super incompetent. Theories are great but should take facts into consideration.

I don't think they're saying the head of the Federal Bureau of Prisons had to be involved for something like that to happen.

 

[Ichinisan]

This is just sad.

Well, even more sad that people would be stupid enough to think the Clinton conspiracy theory angle was all about Hilary.

 

[brycejones]

Damn reading through these comments y’all are willing to brush anything off in defense of Clinton as much as Trumpsters are in defense of him. Partisanship is an incredibly strong thing and is highly prevalent here.

I find it very telling that so far you have provided zero actual evidence of anything. Do you have any to share?

 

[Vic]

Maybe some people should be....

Maybe more people shouldn't be..

 

[Ichinisan]

Indeed. It's getting embarrassing. Next they'll blame the Clinton's for the JFK assassination and for Watergate.

Wait. ...didn't you know?!

/s

 

[Vic]

I find it very telling that so far you have provided zero actual evidence of anything. Do you have any to share?

This thread reminds me of Bill Nye's 'debate' with Ken Ham.

Moderator: What would it take to get you to change your mind?
Ken Ham: nothing.
Bill Nye: evidence.

Some people don't need evidence to believe something, they have feels, and no amount of evidence can change that.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't think they're saying the head of the Federal Bureau of Prisons had to be involved for something like that to happen.

Something like suicide? No doubt.

 

[Ichinisan]

Dude, you're going into laughingstock territory, somehow a really motivated Clinton got an "agent" into a federal prison facility and killed JE without anyone seeing anything. Oh, said agent was so good he made it look like a suicide, gotcha. Do you even have the slighest idea of just how f-ing dumb you look?, why even post something a dumb as that.

It's always you...

Once again: Learn to fucking read and comprehend.

Follow the quote tree.

This is the only real question or "conspiracy" narrative. Why was he taken off 24/7 suicide watch. Just another Trump/DOJ colossal fuckup?. Unless you "go there" into conspiracy nutter territory, next you should be looking at stories about Manhattan Correctional Center personnel mysteriously falling out of windows, and/or unexpectedly coming into money and moving to countries without US extradition treaties.

Hillary had Epstein killed! nutters are gonna nut. The details are a bit lacking. How Hillary got her assassin into a prison run by the federal government - a government headed by people not very friendly toward Hillary - remains well..unexplained.🙄

Plus...if Hillary is that fucking powerful, why is Bill still alive"?. And...If she were that powerful, why is Trump occupying the White House?

There MAY be a story here. But William Barr is in charge of the investigation, so we may never know what really happened.

You think people are claiming it was Hilary? No. They're saying it was Slick Willie Clinton that had the most motivation because he spent more time on Epstein's plane than practically anyone else.

Dude, you're going into laughingstock territory, somehow a really motivated Clinton got an "agent" into a federal prison facility and killed JE without anyone seeing anything. Oh, said agent was so good he made it look like a suicide, gotcha. Do you even have the slighest idea of just how f-ing dumb you look?, why even post something a dumb as that.

Obviously I'm saying the majority of Clinton conspiracy theorists believe it was "Clintons" (plural), specifically in the interest of Mr. William Clinton, the former president. I don't think any of them have claimed Hilary flew around on Epstein's plane or had such a direct association with Epstein. I wouldn't know because I don't really read that stuff (except what spills into places like this). Obviously I was calling out the ignorance of someone who mistakenly believes the conspiracy theorists attribute everything to Hilary.

 

[brycejones]

Obviously I was calling out the ignorance of someone who mistakenly believes the conspiracy theorists attribute everything to Hilary.

Yes, that's the most important thing to focus on. ff the conspiracies include Bill only, Hillary and Bill, or Hillary only. Seems like a critical detail when trying to determine the truth.

 

[Ichinisan]

Do you think that number is larger or smaller than the number of people who think it was Trump?

I'd bet more conspiracy theorists think it was done to protect Bill Clinton.

Oh...and who do you think has more stroke to sneak someone into a federal prison...Clinton or Trump?

More..."stroke?" I am not familiar with that use of the word. Why do you assume there would need to be an infiltrator for there to be a conspiracy? That's just silly. *If* I was so sure that Epstein was assassinated or deliberately allowed him to kill himself, I would assume someone paid-off the low level workers that monitored Epstein directly. All they'd need to do was leave some materials and look away for a little while as Epstein does the job himself. "Assassin infiltrators," HA! Absolutely dumber than ANYTHING I've heard from the conspiracy theorists.

 

[Vic]

Yep, what's really important here is exactly who is being accused by the baseless conspiracy theory, and not that the conspiracy theory is baseless.

 

[Ichinisan]

This is the only real question or "conspiracy" narrative. Why was he taken off 24/7 suicide watch. Just another Trump/DOJ colossal fuckup?. Unless you "go there" into conspiracy nutter territory, next you should be looking at stories about Manhattan Correctional Center personnel mysteriously falling out of windows, and/or unexpectedly coming into money and moving to countries without US extradition treaties.

Hillary had Epstein killed! nutters are gonna nut. The details are a bit lacking. How Hillary got her assassin into a prison run by the federal government - a government headed by people not very friendly toward Hillary - remains well..unexplained.🙄

Plus...if Hillary is that fucking powerful, why is Bill still alive"?. And...If she were that powerful, why is Trump occupying the White House?

There MAY be a story here. But William Barr is in charge of the investigation, so we may never know what really happened.

You think people are claiming it was Hilary? No. They're saying it was Slick Willie Clinton that had the most motivation because he spent more time on Epstein's plane than practically anyone else.

Got a link to prove that claim?

Link every social media post from people who believe it was Bill Clinton? No thanks!

No a link to the part I bolded in the quote. " he spent more time on Epstein's plane than practically anyone else."

Edit: Surely you have a link to every flight log to back up your claim, even though they didn't use full names on the logs.

"My claim?!" HA HA HA HA HA!

Oh you want me to prove a conspiracy nutter claim?

How about this:


FUCK NO

 

[BUTCH1]

I'd bet more conspiracy theorists think it was done to protect Bill Clinton.


More..."stroke?" I am not familiar with that use of the word. Why do you assume there would need to be an infiltrator for there to be a conspiracy? That's just silly. *If* I was so sure that Epstein was assassinated or deliberately allowed him to kill himself, I would assume someone paid-off the low level workers that monitored Epstein directly. All they'd need to do was leave some materials and look away for a little while as Epstein does the job himself. "Assassin infiltrators," HA! Absolutely dumber than ANYTHING I've heard from the conspiracy theorists.

Dude, don't bother to separate "conspiracy theorist's" from yourself, YOU ARE ONE. "oh look!, Secret service was not with Clinton on a few of those plane rides!". The guy's not even cold yet and here people like YOU come out of the woodwork with "theories". Sure, no one's gonna notice forbidden items being carried into his cell, right?.

 

[Victorian Gray]

It's because the Clintons are the greatest criminal masterminds of all time!

And yet folks apparently know of every crime they've ever committed.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Poor Vince Foster!

I'm still grieving for Kathleen Willey's assassinated cat. 🙁

 

[UglyCasanova]

Dude, don't bother to separate "conspiracy theorist's" from yourself, YOU ARE ONE. "oh look!, Secret service was not with Clinton on a few of those plane rides!". The guy's not even cold yet and here people like YOU come out of the woodwork with "theories". Sure, no one's gonna notice forbidden items being carried into his cell, right?.

And I’m sure you took that attitude as well with all of the various allegations against Trump over the past couple years. Something would be suspected and you’d say “show me hard proof or I don’t believe it and it’s just a conspiracy”.. Right

It’s good to question, that’s not a bad thing. No idea why you’re trying to portray it as being this horrible thing.

 

[dank69]

You think people are claiming it was Hilary? No. They're saying it was Slick Willie Clinton that had the most motivation because he spent more time on Epstein's plane than practically anyone else.

Dude. Just stop. Unless you want people to think you're another conservative dittohead, in which case, keep spouting debunked right-wing talking points.

 

[Vic]

And I’m sure you took that attitude as well with all of the various allegations against Trump over the past couple years. Something would be suspected and you’d say “show me hard proof or I don’t believe it and it’s just a conspiracy”.. Right

It’s good to question, that’s not a bad thing. No idea why you’re trying to portray it as being this horrible thing.

He (and others) actually did take that attitude just earlier in thread when you were encouraging people to indulge in conspiracy theory because it could also be used against Trump, and no one bit.

 

[fskimospy]

And I’m sure you took that attitude as well with all of the various allegations against Trump over the past couple years. Something would be suspected and you’d say “show me hard proof or I don’t believe it and it’s just a conspiracy”.. Right

It’s good to question, that’s not a bad thing. No idea why you’re trying to portray it as being this horrible thing.

The various allegations against Trump are based in evidence, unlike this.

Nobody is asking you for ‘hard proof’, they are simply asking you for a single, solitary shred of evidence to support your claim. One. Single. Shred.

 

[compuwiz1]

I think good forensics will be able to tell us if this guy went swingin' by himself, or if he had partners.

 

[brycejones]

And I’m sure you took that attitude as well with all of the various allegations against Trump over the past couple years. Something would be suspected and you’d say “show me hard proof or I don’t believe it and it’s just a conspiracy”.. Right

It’s good to question, that’s not a bad thing. No idea why you’re trying to portray it as being this horrible thing.

Well that's a lame attempt at deflecting.

 

[Aegeon]

Damn reading through these comments y’all are willing to brush anything off in defense of Clinton as much as Trumpsters are in defense of him. Partisanship is an incredibly strong thing and is highly prevalent here.

On top of the mere very glaring fact we lack evidence it was a murder situation and there probably is video clearly contradicting this, you're also ignoring that rationally speaking the Clintons would be clearly way down the list of actually most plausible suspects. Essentially being President over 18 years ago does not put him in a position to specifically compromise the current staff of the Bureau of Prisons/ DOJ in a way to being able to have taken out Epstein like this. While I don't think he actually did it, it by contrast would be much more plausible a current President could manage this.

Furthermore, the Secret Service people hanging around the Clinton's would represent a massive complication in terms of actually pulling off such an elaborate conspiracy given the risk they overhear or see something. (They don't even have to initially suspect something in terms of wrongdoing by by Clintons and merely be worried about their security in a way which causes them to discover incriminating evidence when they investigate further.)

By contrast, we know there are a whole bunch of other wealthy individuals who hung out to some degree with Epstein over the years who could conceivably have seriously incriminating things to hide, and crucially don't have the Secret Service hanging around and monitoring their moves. While still challenging, that makes it much more feasible they could have pulled something off without getting caught in advance with it at least possibly looking initially like a suicide.

Basically, especially given it probably was simply a suicide with clear evidence backing this, your insistence about the Clinton's specifically probably being behind murdering him certainly does not reflect favorably on you or speak well to your rationality.