Jeffrey Epstein Commits Suicide at Manhattan Jail

[fskimospy]

I think good forensics will be able to tell us if this guy went swingin' by himself, or if he had partners.

Wouldn’t it be easier to just watch the video?

 

[Jhhnn]

I think good forensics will be able to tell us if this guy went swingin' by himself, or if he had partners.

If it's ruled suicide, they'll just claim a Deep State conspiracy. The great thing about conspiracy theories is that they're bottomless pits.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Wouldn’t it be easier to just watch the video?

Is there a video?

 

[brycejones]

If it's ruled suicide, they'll just claim a Deep State conspiracy. The great thing about conspiracy theories is that they're bottomless pits.

The scratch on the floor near the body has never been explained! Its the smoking gun

 

[UglyCasanova]

On top of the mere very glaring fact we lack evidence it was a murder situation and there probably is video clearly contradicting this, you're also ignoring that rationally speaking the Clintons would be clearly way down the list of actually most plausible suspects. Essentially being President over 18 years ago does not put him in a position to specifically compromise the current staff of the Bureau of Prisons/ DOJ in a way to being able to have taken out Epstein like this. While I don't think he actually did it, it by contrast would be much more plausible a current President could manage this.

Furthermore, the Secret Service people hanging around the Clinton's would represent a massive complication in terms of actually pulling off such an elaborate conspiracy given the risk they overhear or see something. (They don't even have to initially suspect something in terms of wrongdoing by by Clintons and merely be worried about their security in a way which causes them to discover incriminating evidence when they investigate further.)

By contrast, we know there are a whole bunch of other wealthy individuals who hung out to some degree with Epstein over the years who could conceivably have seriously incriminating things to hide, and crucially don't have the Secret Service hanging around and monitoring their moves. While still challenging, that makes it much more feasible they could have pulled something off without getting caught in advance with it at least possibly looking initially like a suicide.

Basically, especially given it probably was simply a suicide with clear evidence backing this, your insistence about the Clinton's specifically probably being behind murdering him certainly does not reflect favorably on you or speak well to your rationality.

You must have missed all of the posts in this thread where I said there were many people that would be suspect and specifically said that it’s not just Clinton. Find me where I insisted it was Clinton. You’ve very long post on something that I didn’t say "does not reflect favorably on you or speak well to your rationality."

 

[Vic]

Is there a video?

Is there a pink teapot orbiting the sun?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Is there a pink teapot orbiting the sun?

So there’s not a vid? Why did eskimo say there was?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Is there a pink teapot orbiting the sun?

It's not pink

 

[Ichinisan]

Dude, don't bother to separate "conspiracy theorist's" from yourself, YOU ARE ONE. "oh look!, Secret service was not with Clinton on a few of those plane rides!". The guy's not even cold yet and here people like YOU come out of the woodwork with "theories". Sure, no one's gonna notice forbidden items being carried into his cell, right?.

I did not say the Secret Service wasn't with him. I've heard that, but I certainly don't know it or have any reason to believe it. Check your bullshit and fuck right off with it.

Nor did I say anyone put forbidden items in his cell. I said it's far more PLAUSIBLE than the ludicrous idea of an assassin infiltrator. Cyanide? Much easier, but still fucking ridiculous. A bed sheet (or an extra one) would do the job just fine. He wasn't on suicide watch anymore (for whatever reason).

Now do I believe that happened? No. If such a thing happened, there should be plenty of evidence. I will not believe such a thing unless evidence is presented.

 

[Ichinisan]

I think good forensics will be able to tell us if this guy went swingin' by himself, or if he had partners.

...or video surveillance. If not from his cell, from the facility.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I did not say the Secret Service wasn't with him. I've heard that, but I certainly don't know it or have any reason to believe it. Check your bullshit and fuck right off with it.

Nor did I say anyone put forbidden items in his cell. I said it's far more PLAUSIBLE than the ludicrous idea of an assassin infiltrator. Cyanide? Much easier, but still fucking ridiculous. A bed sheet (or an extra one) would do the job just fine. He wasn't on suicide watch anymore (for whatever reason).

Now do I believe that happened? No. If such a thing happened, there should be plenty of evidence. I will not believe such a thing unless evidence is presented.

Then what was this all about?

"Missed the part about ditching the Secret Service to go on Epstein's plane?" from post #223.

 

[Ichinisan]

If it's ruled suicide, they'll just claim a Deep State conspiracy. The great thing about conspiracy theories is that they're bottomless pits.

Absolutely. They should have known the eternal implications of taking this man off of suicide watch. What an absolute cluster fuck.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Welp no vids. Suprise!

https://nypost.com/2019/08/11/there...medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons

There’s no surveillance video of the incident during which Jeffrey Epstein apparently hanged himself in a federal lockup in Lower Manhattan, law-enforcement officials told The Post on Sunday.

Although there are cameras in the 9 South wingwhere the convicted pedophile was being held at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, they are trained on the areas outside the cells and not inside, according to sources familiar with the setup there.

...
“Something doesn’t smell right – and it’s not his dead body,” Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams said.

Adams noted the July 23 incident in which the multimillionaire financier was found nearly unconscious in his cell with marks on his neck, as well as the blockbuster court papers that were released on Friday and contained the names of other men – including former Maine Sen. George Mitchell and ex-New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson – who allegedly slept with an Epstein teenage “sex slave.”

“Something is really troubling about that and I think it needs to be investigated extremely and very thoroughly to make sure there wasn’t any foul play,” Adams said.

New York Attorney General Letitia James, who said she’s toured the MCC, said she found it “very difficult to understand how something like this could have happened.”

 

[Ichinisan]

Then what was this all about?

"Missed the part about ditching the Secret Service to go on Epstein's plane?" from post #223.

THE PART IN THE POST HE QUOTED FROM

SOMEONE ELSE!

Understand?

For your perusal:

So a guy gets caught frickin a 21 year old so knows is both interested in younger girls and willing to act on it, gets caught hanging around a serial pedophile, and gets caught ditching security on several occasions to go fly on said pedophiles private jet that has the nickname Lolita Express. I’m sorry that’s smoke. Politics is preventing you from seeing that.

"Younger girls?" Try younger women. Find me a single 40 something or 50 something man who doesn't find some women (or men) in their 20's to be sexually attractive. It's the rule, not the exception. It's common and totally normal. It's why models, centerfolds, porn stars etc. are mostly in their late teens to middle 20's. Trying to use his diddling around with a 21 year old intern as "evidence" that he would have sex with Epstein's 14 and 15 year old victims is a laughably bad argument. If Clinton has an attraction to girls of that age, we haven't seen any evidence of it yet.

Missed the part about ditching the Secret Service to go on Epstein's plane?

I'm saying the part he did address was just dumb and pointless. Address that other thing. He acted as if UC's argument was something about 21 year olds and 15 year olds being similar, when his actual argument was about a closer association. Yes. Bill flew all over the world in Jeff's plane. Did he ever ditch Secret Service? I don't know. I don't think he can do that.

 

[fskimospy]

Welp no vids. Suprise!

https://nypost.com/2019/08/11/there...medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons

There’s no surveillance video of the incident during which Jeffrey Epstein apparently hanged himself in a federal lockup in Lower Manhattan, law-enforcement officials told The Post on Sunday.

Although there are cameras in the 9 South wingwhere the convicted pedophile was being held at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, they are trained on the areas outside the cells and not inside, according to sources familiar with the setup there.

...
“Something doesn’t smell right – and it’s not his dead body,” Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams said.

Adams noted the July 23 incident in which the multimillionaire financier was found nearly unconscious in his cell with marks on his neck, as well as the blockbuster court papers that were released on Friday and contained the names of other men – including former Maine Sen. George Mitchell and ex-New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson – who allegedly slept with an Epstein teenage “sex slave.”

“Something is really troubling about that and I think it needs to be investigated extremely and very thoroughly to make sure there wasn’t any foul play,” Adams said.

New York Attorney General Letitia James, who said she’s toured the MCC, said she found it “very difficult to understand how something like this could have happened.”

While I am somewhat surprised that the facility didn’t have video trained on the cells it seems to have been a longstanding thing so yet again, that is exactly zero evidence for your conspiracy theory.

 

[Jhhnn]

There’s no surveillance video of the incident during which Jeffrey Epstein apparently hanged himself in a federal lockup in Lower Manhattan, law-enforcement officials told The Post on Sunday.

Although there are cameras in the 9 South wingwhere the convicted pedophile was being held at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, they are trained on the areas outside the cells and not inside, according to sources familiar with the setup there.

Please. The video from the corridor would show anybody coming & going from Epstein's cell.

Until there is evidence to the contrary, actual evidence, suicide is highly likely.

 

[Victorian Gray]

THE PART IN THE POST HE QUOTED FROM

SOMEONE ELSE!

Understand?

For your perusal:



I'm saying the part he did address was just dumb and pointless. Address that other thing. He acted as if UC's argument was something about 21 year olds and 15 year olds being similar, when his actual argument was about a closer association. Yes. Bill flew all over the world in Jeff's plane. Did he ever ditch Secret Service? I don't know. I don't think he can do that.

So his raising stuff that actually counters the original points re age of attraction, etc. which relate to whether or not it makes sense to think Clinton complicit is silly and you think he should be addressing the claim that you claim not to believe?

Ok.

 

[pmv]

Damn reading through these comments y’all are willing to brush anything off in defense of Clinton as much as Trumpsters are in defense of him. Partisanship is an incredibly strong thing and is highly prevalent here.

Not finding it at all plausible that Clinton somehow had the power to have Epstein killed doesn't constitute 'defending' the guy, it's just being sane.

Personally I don't like the Clintons, and I'm still very suspicious of what Bill got up to with the adult women we've already heard about over the years. But I just don't think the world works in the way that conspiracy believers think it does. It's a matter of what seems plausible. Some wicked and sinister things fit with what we know about the world and how power is used, some just sound like movie plots.

A paranoid style of thinking goes hand-in-hand with really dodgy politics. I don't believe Trump had the guy killed either. It just doesn't ring true, not in terms of Trump or Bill's character, but in terms of how things are done.

In any case, it's far more likely to be Prince Andrew than either of those two.

 

[zzyzxroad]

I don't think they're saying the head of the Federal Bureau of Prisons had to be involved for something like that to happen.

This wasn't some normal prisoner. If the two were not paying close attention to how his protection was being managed they are incompitant. Barr seems to be a lot of things but incompetent is not one of them. Maybe I am wrong...

 

[UglyCasanova]

Not finding it at all plausible that Clinton somehow had the power to have Epstein killed doesn't constitute 'defending' the guy, it's just being sane.

Personally I don't like the Clintons, and I'm still very suspicious of what Bill got up to with the adult women we've already heard about over the years. But I just don't think the world works in the way that conspiracy believers think it does. It's a matter of what seems plausible. Some wicked and sinister things fit with what we know about the world and how power is used, some just sound like movie plots.

A paranoid style of thinking goes hand-in-hand with really dodgy politics. I don't believe Trump had the guy killed either. It just doesn't ring true, not in terms of Trump or Bill's character, but in terms of how things are done.

In any case, it's far more likely to be Prince Andrew than either of those two.

Y’all keep jumping to Clinton, as I’ve said over and over there are plenty of powerful men that wouldn’t have wanted Epstein to tell his story. Maybe it was Prince Andrew or maybe an as of yet unnamed person. Or maybe he did commit suicide unassisted but it sure as hell smells fishy and there are a whole lot of people that agree with me.

 

[UglyCasanova]

This wasn't some normal prisoner.

That needs to be reiterated over and over.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Y’all keep jumping to Clinton, as I’ve said over and over there are plenty of powerful men that wouldn’t have wanted Epstein to tell his story. Maybe it was Prince Andrew or maybe an as of yet unnamed person. Or maybe he did commit suicide unassisted but it sure as hell smells fishy and there are a whole lot of people that agree with me.

If you have this info I would assume our AG does as well. Why did he allow such lack supervision?

 

[pmv]

Y’all keep jumping to Clinton, as I’ve said over and over there are plenty of powerful men that wouldn’t have wanted Epstein to tell his story. Maybe it was Prince Andrew or maybe an as of yet unnamed person. Or maybe he did commit suicide unassisted but it sure as hell smells fishy and there are a whole lot of people that agree with me.

Hardly surprising a lot of people agree with you, but a lot of people are frequently wrong. Though the fact that its entirely predictable that a lot of people agree with you is a reason why this business seems to entail monumental incompetence by someone. They've managed to give a huge boost to conspiracy theorists everywhere.

 

[dawp]

seems the admin may be involved in his death if this is true
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/bi...-before-epsteins-death-when-does-that-happen/

 

[UglyCasanova]

seems the admin may be involved in his death if this is true
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/bi...-before-epsteins-death-when-does-that-happen/

Nah stop asking questions just accept what we were originally told!