Jeffrey Epstein Commits Suicide at Manhattan Jail

[IronWing]

not when he was killed. oops I mean suicide! I mean suicide!

Butler: She murdered herself in her sleep, sir.
Dick Charleston: You mean suicide?
Butler: Oh, no. It was murder, all right. Mrs. Twain hated herself.

 

[cytg111]

Perhaps. Or it may point to something else. You know how serial child molesters are generally hated by the prison population? It's possible that extends to the prison staff as well. Not to mention everyone else on the planet. Maybe they just didn't give enough of a crap about Epstein to spend 24 hours a day watching him. They probably thought the prior marks were from any inmate attack anyway and that he wouldn't kill himself.

I am thinking a guard or two were convinced to look away.

 

[Victorian Gray]

<Bill Clinton kicks back in his leather office chair and lights a cigar, he stares into the distance and takes a puff. On the exhale as the cloud of smoke trails off words can be heard from Bill> "Hillary, everything is going to be alright..."

#fuckofftroll

 

[dank69]

By that measure, a theory about every death is just a "conspiracy theory" until proven otherwise. The term is thrown around to make you look like a tinfoil hat wearing nut.

Being suspicious about the death of someone with powerful (former) friends does not make you crazy.

A conspiracy theory is any theory that has no evidence to back it. So yes, any theory about death is a conspiracy theory until there is evidence that backs it up. That's why forensic experts don't like to guess about cause of death. They inspect the body until they have enough evidence to tell you exactly what happened.

 

[woolfe9998]

I am thinking a guard or two were convinced to look away.

Convinced by whom?

Just because under the circumstances something seems possible doesn't make it true. The alternative, that a rich guy who faces the rest of his life being abused in prison kills himself, and that staff wasn't watching him a week after a possible prior attempt seems entirely plausible to me. There's nothing weird about it whatsoever. All you've got is that some rich powerful people hung out with Epstein. Therefore, they might have committed crimes with Epstein. Therefore, they might have wanted Epstein dead. Therefore, they might have paid off some prison staffers to "look the other way" even though they couldn't know that Epstein would kill himself anyway. Never mind that none of these men has ever been accused by any of the numerous victims who have come forward, some of whom have accused other wealthy powerful men.

These kinds of assumptions based on how things superficially look is exactly how decades long conspiracy theories are formed.

 

[pmv]

Perhaps. Or it may point to something else. You know how serial child molesters are generally hated by the prison population? It's possible that extends to the prison staff as well. Not to mention everyone else on the planet. Maybe they just didn't give enough of a crap about Epstein to spend 24 hours a day watching him. They probably thought the prior marks were from any inmate attack anyway and that he wouldn't kill himself.

True in general but in this particular case, if one were a prison officer who had a special loathing for child-sex offenders, surely you'd be aware that this prisoner could potentially implicate other such offenders? And that letting him die might therefore allow others to get away with it. It's not for his sake that one might want to keep him alive. A pure lack of care, with no ulterior motive, looks like the most likely possibility to me, at this stage.

 

[woolfe9998]

True in general but in this particular case, if one were a prison officer who had a special loathing for child-sex offenders, surely you'd be aware that this prisoner could potentially implicate other such offenders? And that letting him die might therefore allow others to get away with it. It's not for his sake that one might want to keep him alive. A pure lack of care, with no ulterior motive, looks like the most likely possibility to me, at this stage.

Sure. As I've pointed out, keeping eyes on a person 24 hours a day is a PitA. I could see staffers getting lazy about it and deciding that a week of watching him was enough particularly since he told them the prior marks were from an attack. Whether or not the fact that he was a piece of shit child molester entered into that I do not know.

So far as him implicating other people, as I said earlier, Epstein has no credibility whatsoever. Without a victim accuser, I can 100% guaranty you that no convictions would ever come out of help from Epstein. Nor did Epstein have any reason to help. Given the magnitude of his crimes, they were never going to let him out before his natural death occurred. There wasn't going to be any deals for Epstein and he certainly knew this - his lawyers would have told him. Which again underscores why he killed himself.

 

[cytg111]

Convinced by whom?

Just because under the circumstances something seems possible doesn't make it true. The alternative, that a rich guy who faces the rest of his life being abused in prison kills himself, and that staff wasn't watching him a week after a possible prior attempt seems entirely plausible to me. There's nothing weird about it whatsoever. All you've got is that some rich powerful people hung out with Epstein. Therefore, they might have committed crimes with Epstein. Therefore, they might have wanted Epstein dead. Therefore, they might have paid off some prison staffers to "look the other way" even though they couldn't know that Epstein would kill himself anyway. Never mind that none of these men has ever been accused by any of the numerous victims who have come forward, some of whom have accused other wealthy powerful men.

These kinds of assumptions based on how things superficially look is exactly how decades long conspiracy theories are formed.

I dont have that kind of juice, that is to make conspiract theories take root, we are all just speculating here.

Dude tried to off himself once already. Where and how did he get the tools to hang himself. Why was he put off suicide watch?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1160241285103595521

And I am guess we will get our answers sooner rather than later.

 

[dank69]

For the most high profile inmate in the country who had the ability to cause serious, serious damage for a lot of wealthy people he wouldn’t have been treated like an ordinary I don’t give a frick inmate. General prison rules don’t apply in this situation. This reeks of murder

I don't like to give negative reactions because people are free to be as stupid as they want IMO. However, a bunch of your posts in this thread earned some fat red Xs just because they are so full of misinformation that they are damaging to everyone that reads them. I want you to know you are absolutely poisonous to everyone you know. I hope you don't have any influence over young people in your life because you will make them into bad people and this world doesn't need any more bad people in it.

To give you two examples of bad information you are spreading and operating on:

Epstein was not on suicide watch. You have been told this multiple times and it is right in the OP link IIRC.

Epstein's death is actually detrimental to anyone involved with him, because nobody can block all the information gathered about him from coming out now. This has also been mentioned several times in this thread.

With that information available, the only people that can keep details buried at this point are people in power right now. For example: Barr.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Lots of bodies around the Clintons.

#fuckofftroll

 

[qliveur]

If so, we'll find out that for some mysterious reason, the system went down during the time he "hanged himself."

The guy is was a fucking bazillionaire...is it possible he paid off the appropriate people and was quicky and quietly spirited away to live out his life in some quiet, out of the way place...like Moscow?

Lol if serious.

 

[Victorian Gray]

For the most high profile inmate in the country who had the ability to cause serious, serious damage for a lot of wealthy people he wouldn’t have been treated like an ordinary I don’t give a frick inmate. General prison rules don’t apply in this situation. This reeks of murder

The documents are stored in the basement of a pizza joint. If you hurry...

 

[cytg111]

Without a victim accuser, I can 100% guaranty you that no convictions would ever come out of help from Epstein. Nor did Epstein have any reason to help. Given the magnitude of his crimes, they were never going to let him out before his natural death occurred. There wasn't going to be any deals for Epstein.

Epstein had first person view of all his deeds, there a deals to be made that doesnt result in "freedom"

 

[amenx]

A 66 year old man used to high living but condemned to spend the rest of his life in misery in a cramped cell. Why does suicide sound too far fetched for some?

 

[UglyCasanova]

I don't like to give negative reactions because people are free to be as stupid as they want IMO. However, a bunch of your posts in this thread earned some fat red Xs just because they are so full of misinformation that they are damaging to everyone that reads them. I want you to know you are absolutely poisonous to everyone you know. I hope you don't have any influence over young people in your life because you will make them into bad people and this world doesn't need any more bad people in it.

To give you two examples of bad information you are spreading and operating on:

Epstein was not on suicide watch. You have been told this multiple times and it is right in the OP link IIRC.

Epstein's death is actually detrimental to anyone involved with him, because nobody can block all the information gathered about him from coming out now. This has also been mentioned several times in this thread.

With that information available, the only people that can keep details buried at this point are people in power right now. For example: Barr.

I’ve gave no inaccurate info, if he wasn’t actually on suicide watch the question certainly needs to be asked why. and you’re delusional if you don’t think Epstein’s death was a very convenient solution for a lot of very powerful men.

 

[Greenman]

I think I just saw Epstein wearing a straw hat while mowing my lawn.

 

[emperus]

A 66 year old man used to high living but condemned to spend the rest of his life in misery in a cramped cell. Why does suicide sound too far fetched for some?

I think you're leaving out most of the story. The question is why after already attempting suicide, given he most likely would try to commit suicide again, could he have be in the position to not only try to commit suicide but succeed?

 

[DaaQ]

<Bill Clinton kicks back in his leather office chair and lights a cigar, he stares into the distance and takes a puff. On the exhale as the cloud of smoke trails off words can be heard from Bill> "Hillary, everything is going to be alright..."

Just saying that Slick Willy took the Lolita Express enough that he got frequent flyer miles.

An innocent man would not try and or succeed in offing himself, Y'all need to drink some water.

 

[TheVrolok]

I think you're leaving out most of the story. The question is why after already attempting suicide, given he most likely would try to commit suicide again, could he have be in the position to not only try to commit suicide but succeed?

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

 

[amenx]

I think you're leaving out most of the story. The question is why after already attempting suicide, given he most likely would try to commit suicide again, could he have be in the position to not only try to commit suicide but succeed?

I know the story. But I also know shit happens.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

An innocent man would not try and or succeed in offing himself, Y'all need to drink some water.

What? This is laughably absurd. Innocent people accused of horrible things commit suicide all the time. Their lives are destroyed no matter what the outcome is. I can post you countless examples.

No one here is suggesting Epstein was innocent. He was facing the rest of his life in jail. It’s no shock he offed himself.

 

[JSt0rm]

An innocent man would not try and or succeed in offing himself, Y'all need to drink some water.

only people who deserve it kill themselves.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

only people who deserve it kill themselves.

Tell the families of these people they deserved it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-committed-suicide-falsely-accused-woman.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/innocent-graham-smith-commits-suicide-2786231

 

[dank69]

I’ve gave no inaccurate info, if he wasn’t actually on suicide watch the question certainly needs to be asked why. and you’re delusional if you don’t think Epstein’s death was a very convenient solution for a lot of very powerful men.

You have given inaccurate info, including stating several times that he was on suicide watch when he committed suicide. Yes, the proper question to ask was indeed "why was he removed from 24 hour suicide watch?" The answer is most likely the one @woolfe9998 gave pages ago that 24 hour suicide watch is difficult to maintain for prolonged periods of time. If evidence comes out that proper protocol was not followed, then we can reasonably speculate about foul play. Speculation before that time is just more disinformation that doesn't help anyone.

It is possible that his death helps people but from what we know at this moment it sounds like his death will be harmful to powerful people. The only people that could be helped by his death would be people that Epstein had hard evidence against them, and said evidence would have to be hidden somewhere that won't be found without Epstein's help. It isn't like Epstein could just name names without evidence and everyone would just believe him.

 

[woolfe9998]

You have given inaccurate info, including stating several times that he was on suicide watch when he committed suicide. Yes, the proper question to ask was indeed "why was he removed from 24 hour suicide watch?" The answer is most likely the one @woolfe9998 gave pages ago that 24 hour suicide watch is difficult to maintain for prolonged periods of time. If evidence comes out that proper protocol was not followed, then we can reasonably speculate about foul play. Speculation before that time is just more disinformation that doesn't help anyone.

It is possible that his death helps people but from what we know at this moment it sounds like his death will be harmful to powerful people. The only people that could be helped by his death would be people that Epstein had hard evidence against them, and said evidence would have to be hidden somewhere that won't be found without Epstein's help. It isn't like Epstein could just name names without evidence and everyone would just believe him.

If Epstein had any hidden evidence implicating any of these men, he'd already at least have been talking about a deal with prosecutors. Yet there's been no mention in the media in any of the numerous stories of late that Epstein's lawyers were talking to prosecutors about a deal. Had a deal been afoot and Epstein was just about to come forward with something, then this happened, that would be a better reason for suspicion.