Jeffrey Epstein Commits Suicide at Manhattan Jail

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UglyCasanova

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He was on suicide watch for one week:



https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/10/poli...n-justice-department-investigation/index.html

After a week of psych evals, he was taken off watch. This doesn't sound all that unusual to me. How long do people think a prisoner should be watched 24 hrs a day after a merely possible suicide attempt and with the prison shrinks saying he isn't a risk?

Because he’s the most important prisoner in the country is why. You don’t leave that up to chance. You don’t apply normal prisoner rules to a guy that is going to be naming very important names during his trial and depending on what he says could unseat the sitting president or destroy the reputation of a previous one. Normal rules don’t apply, what happened was calculated and meant to. If this isn’t investigated as a murder it’s absurd. I’m sure lots of palms were greased though.
 

woolfe9998

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Missed the part about ditching the Secret Service to go on Epstein's plane?

That allegation is solely based on an alleged Fox News investigation in which they claimed they found records to corroborate this. Since Fox News is a conspiracy site, I will wait until I see the records before reacting.

And even if true, it still doesn't change the fact that there are no accusers of Clinton. Clinton was a famous guy at the time. There's zero chance a girl who was forced to have sex with him wouldn't remember it now.
 

UglyCasanova

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That allegation is solely based on an alleged Fox News investigation in which they claimed they found records to corroborate this. Since Fox News is a conspiracy site, I will wait until I see the records before reacting.

And even if true, it still doesn't change the fact that there are no accusers of Clinton. Clinton was a famous guy at the time. There's zero chance a girl who was forced to have sex with him wouldn't remember it now.


If it happened she definitely remembers it. There are other reasons for not coming forward besides lapse of memory.
 

woolfe9998

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Because he’s the most important prisoner in the country is why. You don’t leave that up to chance. You don’t apply normal prisoner rules to a guy that is going to be naming very important names during his trial and depending on what he says could unseat the sitting president or destroy the reputation of a previous one. Normal rules don’t apply, what happened was calculated and meant to. If this isn’t investigated as a murder it’s absurd. I’m sure lots of palms were greased though.

But the normal rules of human laziness and incompetence apply in every situation. You really think anyone wants to sit there watching someone 24 hrs a day? They'll look for any excuse to not have to do that anymore.

And here's a good excuse: if the prison shrinks said they didn't think he was a risk, then their asses were covered and they knew it.

So far as Epstein "implicating" someone, that's just speculation on your part. It would never have gotten Epstein any benefit to do so, nor would it have resulted in any convictions. Wouldn't have even been much damage to reputation either, not with Epstein as the only accuser. Everyone knows that Epstein would implicate anyone if it meant he didn't have to spend the rest of his life in jail. The man had zero credibility. This is far too weak a motive to take the risk of conspiring with prison officials. Getting caught doing that would incur a vastly worse penalty than anything Epstein could ever have said. Bribing someone is always a risk. They can refuse (or accept) the bribe and report it, implicating either the principle or his surrogate, who would then implicate the principle. Too much risk for so little reward.

Bottom line is that the man was damaged goods and the logical thing would have been to just let him rot.
 
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UglyCasanova

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But the normal rules of human laziness and incompetence apply in every situation. You really think anyone wants to sit there watching someone 24 hrs a day? They'll look for any excuse to not have to do that anymore.

And here's a good excuse: if the prison shrinks said they didn't think he was a risk, then their asses were covered and they knew it.


The most high profile prisoner in the world doesn’t have cameras on him or anything? Sorry but no. Why are you trying so hard to sweep it under the rug? FBI needs to be brought in on this ASAP.
 

UglyCasanova

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https://www.cdc.gov/epstein-barr/about-ebv.html

Epstein-Barr virus (EBV), also known as human herpesvirus 4, is a member of the herpes virus family. It is one of the most common human viruses. EBV is found all over the world. Most people get infected with EBV at some point in their lives. EBV spreads most commonly through bodily fluids, primarily saliva. EBV can cause infectious mononucleosis, also called mono, and other illnesses.


Beautiful lol
 

brycejones

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Have only looked at first last page of the thread to this point and was not disappointed. Nutters are gonna nut on this one.
 

Ichinisan

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It's been widely reported that he was having serious trouble adjusting to imprisonment.

He's also arguably the highest profile prisoner in the country right now, with intimate connections to two presidents, in addition to a large network of the world's elite and facing charges that could ruin even the most powerful. Documents were just being made public that could ensnare extremely important people.

Even provide that the previous threat on his life was from another hand, the red flags were waving.

How do you not recognize the importance of his safety and do whatever is necessary to ensure it?

It's incompetence of the highest order. This will live on as a conspiracy for decades and decades.
Yes. A colossal fuck-up no matter what happened.
 

brycejones

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https://www.cdc.gov/epstein-barr/about-ebv.html

Epstein-Barr virus (EBV), also known as human herpesvirus 4, is a member of the herpes virus family. It is one of the most common human viruses. EBV is found all over the world. Most people get infected with EBV at some point in their lives. EBV spreads most commonly through bodily fluids, primarily saliva. EBV can cause infectious mononucleosis, also called mono, and other illnesses.


Beautiful lol

Not a cool story
 

UglyCasanova

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So far as Epstein "implicating" someone, that's just speculation on your part. It would never have gotten Epstein any benefit to do so, nor would it have resulted in any convictions. Wouldn't have even been much damage to reputation either, not with Epstein as the only accuser. Everyone knows that Epstein would implicate anyone if it meant he didn't have to spend the rest of his life in jail. The man had zero credibility. This is far too weak a motive to take the risk of conspiring with prison officials. Getting caught doing that would incur a vastly worse penalty than anything Epstein could ever have said. Bribing someone is always a risk. They can refuse (or accept) the bribe and report it, implicating either the principle or his surrogate, who would then implicate the principle. Too much risk for so little reward.


Sorry but no. Maybe it wouldn’t get him less time but who knows, if he starts naming names you think that won’t matter? Won’t ruin their lives? Doesn’t matter if they don’t go to jail, if he starts talking about the crap he did and the people he did it with lives would be ruined and you know it.

Again, why are you trying to sweep this under the rug so badly?
 

cytg111

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It wouldn't matter what Epstein personally claimed. A conviction on that alone would have been impossible. Epstein would have had to have something like a videotape of Trump or Clinton with one of those girls. If so, I'd assume he would have already offered it up and a deal would at least have been in the works already.
I dont get it... The mind of Epstein would have been a treasure trove of information to dig into ... how many people do you think he has done "business" with over the years and based on this information potentially corroborating witnesses ... I just cant imagine it any other way.
 

SlowSpyder

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An innocent man would not try and or succeed in offing himself, Y'all need to drink some water.


I don't know what happened. It seems like the evidence is pretty strong, but who knows. Either way, I could see how adjusting to jail/prison would be an exceptionally big challenge for someone that's been rich and living that lifestyle for decades.
 

UglyCasanova

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Ghislaine Maxwell can still be rounded up and talk. How long before she commits suicide? Or maybe a traffic accident..

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Interesting reading on the biggest things in the docs that were released

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-biggest-bombshells-in-newly-unsealed-jeffrey-epstein-documents

  • Directed to Have Sex With World’s Most Powerful Men
  • Epstein ‘Needed’ Three Orgasms a Day
  • Epstein Used “Over 100” Girls and Sex Toys
  • Accuser Shopped Short Story “The Billionaire's Playboy Club”
  • Dershowitz’s Name Suggested by Journalist
  • Swedish Girl Said She Was Held Hostage on Epstein’s Island
  • Accuser’s Dad Honored as Mar-a-Lago MVP in Signed Trump Letter
  • Maxwell Allegedly Had Her Own Sex Slaves
  • Prince Andrew Allegedly Used a Puppet to Act Out Groping
  • Lead Detective Had No Evidence Against Maxwell
  • Epstein Used “Human ATM Machine” to Pay Girls
  • Epstein Ordered Books About How To Use Sex Slaves on Amazon
  • Epstein Computers Removed From Home Before Police Raid
  • Feds Had Evidence of Child Pornography in Epstein’s Florida Mansion
 

woolfe9998

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Sorry but no. Maybe it wouldn’t get him less time but who knows, if he starts naming names you think that won’t matter? Won’t ruin their lives? Doesn’t matter if they don’t go to jail, if he starts talking about the crap he did and the people he did it with lives would be ruined and you know it.

Again, why are you trying to sweep this under the rug so badly?

You really think another accusation from a particularly non-credible accuser is going to damage Trump or Clinton any more so than they already are? Clinton has been accused of rape and sexual assault/harassment in the past, and of multiple affairs. Trump has 20 accusers of rape and/or sexual assault. Jeffrey Epstein is not going to do anything which would suddenly "destroy the reputation" or either man. Trump should never have been POTUS given the allegations against him, but he was elected anyway. One more accuser isn't going to make any difference.

Now if this were you or me, someone with a spotless reputation, it might be different. But Trump and Clinton have both been able to survive politically in spite of such accusations.

There just isn't anything here that would motivate Trump or Clinton to take the risk of bribing prison officials. It wouldn't have been worth it. The risk-benefit for this just doesn't make any sense.

If we find out tomorrow that Epstein had a hidden video tape of either or both of them, I'll change my view.
 
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zzyzxroad

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The most high profile prisoner in the world doesn’t have cameras on him or anything? Sorry but no. Why are you trying so hard to sweep it under the rug? FBI needs to be brought in on this ASAP.

Gotta wonder why Barr wasn't micro managing his supervision. Being the most high profile prisoner in the world and all. Our AG seems like he is asleep at the wheel.
 

UglyCasanova

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Absolutely it would. If the world were to find out Trump or Clinton fricked a 15 year old it would ruin them. They have tons or dirt on them already, but coming from Epstein himself and if he revealed something like that it would destroy them. Teflon Don wouldn’t be able to shake that.
 

dank69

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Yes, I wasn't considering that accusation and I'm still not. Because she dropped her lawsuit after several members of the "liberal biased" press investigated and didn't believe her.

https://www.vox.com/2019/7/9/20686347/jeffrey-epstein-trump-bill-clinton

In fairness I suppose I should have mentioned it but the accusation doesn't look credible and if she voluntarily dropped her civil suit it's clearly not going anywhere criminally.
I knew there were still questions about the legitimacy of the accusation. I clicked the link in your article to the source for the reasons to be skeptical:

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_581a31a5e4b0c43e6c1d9834?h2bhwth1ccjgzxgvi=

That explains why journalists weren't running with the story and why they didn't think a criminal case was ever going to happen. It didn't really say that there was no reason to believe the testimony.
 

dank69

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Absolutely it would. If the world were to find out Trump or Clinton fricked a 15 year old it would ruin them. They have tons or dirt on them already, but coming from Epstein himself and if he revealed something like that it would destroy them. Teflon Don wouldn’t be able to shake that.
Just one more idiotic statement in a thread filled with your idiocy.