Jeff Sessions uses Romans 13 to justify taking children from parents and keeping them in cages.

[Sonikku]

But but... the Constitution itself was given to us by Jesus!

Proof: Some guy painted this.

 

[IronWing]

I still don't get why Jesus has Nimloth on his chest.

 

[brycejones]

But but... the Constitution itself was given to us by Jesus!

Proof: Some guy painted this.

Its creepy when you take pictures inside Ben Carson's house.

 

[Moonbeam]

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

The very founding of this nation was in defiance to, and a rejection of the divine right of kings.

It is beyond insane that a US government is claiming divine providence when the very founding of this nation was based on forbidding that very thing.[/QUOT


When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

It might be worth examining the similarities to the complaints against the the King of England and our new wannabe King Orange:

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

 

[WHAMPOM]

"Suffer little children"

Biblical translation has long been a problem, "admonish little children" would be a better fit for modern English. Suffer did have a different meaning and usage in old English.

 

[IronWing]

Biblical translation has long been a problem, "admonish little children" would be a better fit for modern English. Suffer did have a different meaning and usage in old English.

I think "tolerate little children" is more correct in the context.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

But but... the Constitution itself was given to us by Jesus!

Proof: Some guy painted this.

More like this I think

 

[zinfamous]

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

The very founding of this nation was in defiance to, and a rejection of the divine right of kings.

It is beyond insane that a US government is claiming divine providence when the very founding of this nation was based on forbidding that very thing.

Why do you hate MAGA?

 

[zinfamous]

But but... the Constitution itself was given to us by Jesus!

Proof: Some guy painted this.

I like the evil liberals in the front right that are terrified: the single mom, the justice (lol!), the jewish guy counting his money (wtf?), the "egghead scientist"....and of the defeated enemies on stage--there are those behind the winning, "chosen righteous" (those that are genuflecting to constitution jesus)...look to the back left, near the front. There is a weeping UNION SOLDIER.

...the Union was a traitor to this country for some reason...except that Lincoln seems to be a saint.

Go fucking figure. This was painted by an idiot.

 

[Ventanni]

Jeff Session's use of Romans 13 is a clear example of what's called "verse picking", which is intentionally picking out a verse to suit someone's immediate agenda, point, or motive. That same scripture was used to justify slave owners using slaves prior to the American Civil War, as some pointed out in this thread. But, as many Christians and Non-Christians here know, the Bible is not a, umm, short collection of books. Many of its teachings are repeated, and most of its concepts aren't that black and white. While the Bible does teach to obey the laws in your own land, its many teachings and concepts are also vehemently against slavery, injustice, the greed of the rich, being idiotic tools to each other, and you know, stuff we universally agree are bad things.

Here me out on this, and take the politics and religiosity out of this for a moment; this is about government officials not wanting to feel morally in the wrong. Because if I just follow the rule of law, then I'm okay, right? (Because the parents are immigrants and the children are American citizens).

I know God wouldn't stand for having children separated from their parents, but I also know He gave us a brain and would want us to go after the root (the heart) of the problem. Jesus isn't just the Son of God, he was also a very effective problem solver, and was well known for solving long-standing social problems and providing real solutions to the people. That's part of what it means to "be like Jesus".

So with that said, I think the real questions we should be asking ourselves are things like this:
1. Why are millions of immigrants pouring into the United States, and is there anything politically or economically we can do to help those in their home countries?
2. Is there any area of opportunity within our own process of becoming an American citizen that we can do to help? Meaning, is it something within our own laws that's holding people back?
3. Because many of the immigrants coming to the United States are of a farming background, is there any jobs programs we can create to help train them and solve our own infrastructure problem at the same time? Meaning, can we turn this problem into a solution?

But separating kids from their parents? C'mon, we have brains.

 

[K1052]

Seems that religion isn't entirely on board with this one despite Sessions' invocation of scripture.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/392601-methodist-church-hits-doj-over-immigration-policy

United Methodist Church urges Sessions to halt migrant family separations

The United Methodist Church this week criticized the Department of Justice for the Trump administration's immigration policies of separating migrant families and denying asylum to those fleeing domestic abuse and gang violence.

The church also specifically called on Attorney General Jeff Sessions — who is Methodist — to “immediately reverse these decisions.”

In a statement written by the Rev. Susan Henry-Crowe, the church’s general secretary, the Methodist denomination argued that the policies are “antithetical to the teachings of Christ” and criticized the Trump administration for using the Bible to justify the policies.

“To argue that these policies are consistent with Christian teaching is unsound, a flawed interpretation, and a shocking violation of the spirit of the Gospel,” Henry-Crowe wrote.

“Christian sacred texts should never be used to justify policies that oppress or harm children and families,” the statement added.

The United Methodist Church joins the Catholic Church and the Southern Baptist Church in distancing themselves from or denouncing President Trump’s immigration policies.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Jeff Session's use of Romans 13 is a clear example of what's called "verse picking", which is intentionally picking out a verse to suit someone's immediate agenda, point, or motive. That same scripture was used to justify slave owners using slaves prior to the American Civil War, as some pointed out in this thread. But, as many Christians and Non-Christians here know, the Bible is not a, umm, short collection of books. Many of its teachings are repeated, and most of its concepts aren't that black and white. While the Bible does teach to obey the laws in your own land, its many teachings and concepts are also vehemently against slavery, injustice, the greed of the rich, being idiotic tools to each other, and you know, stuff we universally agree are bad things.

Here me out on this, and take the politics and religiosity out of this for a moment; this is about government officials not wanting to feel morally in the wrong. Because if I just follow the rule of law, then I'm okay, right? (Because the parents are immigrants and the children are American citizens).

I know God wouldn't stand for having children separated from their parents, but I also know He gave us a brain and would want us to go after the root (the heart) of the problem. Jesus isn't just the Son of God, he was also a very effective problem solver, and was well known for solving long-standing social problems and providing real solutions to the people. That's part of what it means to "be like Jesus".

So with that said, I think the real questions we should be asking ourselves are things like this:
1. Why are millions of immigrants pouring into the United States, and is there anything politically or economically we can do to help those in their home countries?
2. Is there any area of opportunity within our own process of becoming an American citizen that we can do to help? Meaning, is it something within our own laws that's holding people back?
3. Because many of the immigrants coming to the United States are of a farming background, is there any jobs programs we can create to help train them and solve our own infrastructure problem at the same time? Meaning, can we turn this problem into a solution?

But separating kids from their parents? C'mon, we have brains.

There are limits in the Bible itself. Three guys by law had to bow down and they wouldn't. Tossed in a furnace, but got out. Another was thrown in a lion's den. Paul said it was wrong for men to have long hair. Samson had long hair.

There is context, always context.

Here's another thing from the bible. "You will know them by their fruits". Indeed we do.

 

[kage69]

I like the evil liberals in the front right that are terrified: the single mom, the justice (lol!), the jewish guy counting his money (wtf?), the "egghead scientist"....and of the defeated enemies on stage--there are those behind the winning, "chosen righteous" (those that are genuflecting to constitution jesus)...look to the back left, near the front. There is a weeping UNION SOLDIER.

...the Union was a traitor to this country for some reason...except that Lincoln seems to be a saint.

Go fucking figure. This was painted by an idiot.

Holy roller fantasies, a descent into madness. That one is a pretty good example. It must suck to go through life carrying that kind of dogma, one so at odds with the realities of modern life. I honestly feel sorry for people who see that and proudly get warm fuzzies. If you look at that and take issue with, well, everything, congratulations! You probably weren't a D student.

 

[NAC4EV]

Immigrants arriving at southern US Ports of Entry are being denied asylum regardless of any reason.
The selection is by country such as Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador and by race.

In May, the attorney general with the Department of Homeland Security began to implement a "zero tolerance" policy, vowing to prosecute all immigrants crossing the border in between ports of entry and separate children from their parents in an attempt to deter families seeking protection from violence or the opportunity to provide for their family.


Separation of children is most often accomplished by deceit.

IG Jeff Sessions quotes Bible scripture to justify this corrupt policy.
In the past scriptures have quoted to justify slavery.

It shocks the conscience to know that children are being ripped from parents’ arms only to be further traumatized in unsuitable and unsafe detention facilities.
A detention facility is no place for a child.

The UN calls on the U.S. to stop separating children from asylum seekers.
Religious leaders are against the policy.
American Immigration policy is morally bankrupt.

Shame on America.
__________________

 

[JSt0rm]

I like the evil liberals in the front right that are terrified: the single mom, the justice (lol!), the jewish guy counting his money (wtf?), the "egghead scientist"....and of the defeated enemies on stage--there are those behind the winning, "chosen righteous" (those that are genuflecting to constitution jesus)...look to the back left, near the front. There is a weeping UNION SOLDIER.

...the Union was a traitor to this country for some reason...except that Lincoln seems to be a saint.

Go fucking figure. This was painted by an idiot.

If you look closely in the corner of the liberals is Satan. The best thing is in the chthulu version Satan is there but is mouth it open in awe. Lol

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Seems even the evangelicals are not amused with this policy. Sure banging porn stars and lying your ass off about everything is cool. Not this though.

http://www.businessinsider.com/evan...-zero-tolerance-border-policy-children-2018-6

 

[JSt0rm]

Seems even the evangelicals are not amused with this policy. Sure banging porn stars and lying your ass off about everything is cool. Not this though.

http://www.businessinsider.com/evan...-zero-tolerance-border-policy-children-2018-6

well its the democrats law so what can you do?

 

[trenchfoot]

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

The very founding of this nation was in defiance to, and a rejection of the divine right of kings.

It is beyond insane that a US government is claiming divine providence when the very founding of this nation was based on forbidding that very thing.

For Sessions and his ilk that like to wear their religious beliefs on their sleeves, citing scripture is usually their last line of defense when their personal beliefs that become national policy gets rolled up like a newspaper and then have it smacked and whacked on the top of their heads like the wayward mutt being caught peeing on the new carpet.

It looks as if Sessions is going to have to refer to scripture on an increasing basis as his decisions on national policy become more and more unpopular and as his job becomes more and more untenable commensurate with Trump's increasingly erratic bizzare behavior.

 

[JSt0rm]

For Sessions and his ilk that like to wear their religious beliefs on their sleeves, citing scripture is usually their last line of defense when their personal beliefs that become national policy gets rolled up like a newspaper and then have it smacked and whacked on the top of their heads like the wayward mutt being caught peeing on the new carpet.

It looks as if Sessions is going to have to refer to scripture on an increasing basis as his decisions on national policy become more and more unpopular and as his job becomes more and more untenable commensurate with Trump's increasingly erratic bizzare behavior.

well lets see if we can find anything in the past...

 

[trenchfoot]

To top it all off, Sessions is a Sunday School teacher fer cry'in out loud. Hypocrisy knows no bounds when it comes to fundamentalist doctrine blending seamlessly with racist isolationist beliefs.

I'd sure like to be a fly on the wall at one of his religious indoctrination lessons with the kids from their neighborhood.

 

[K1052]

What could go wrong a "zero tolerance" policy on illegal immigrants...

Texas deputy accused of sexually assaulting 4-year-old threatened her mother with deportation, sheriff says

A Texas sheriff's deputy accused of repeatedly sexually assaulting a 4-year-old girl threatened the victim's mother into staying quiet about the assaults, authorities said Sunday.

Jose Nunez, a 10-year veteran of the Bexar County Sheriff's Department, was off-duty when he was arrested early Sunday. The 47-year-old faces a felony charge of aggravated sexual assault of a child, Sheriff Javier Salazar said at a news conference.
Salazar said investigators suspect that the girl had been assaulted multiple times over the course of several months.

The girl's mother is an undocumented immigrant, Salazar said, and Nunez told her she'd be deported if she told authorities about the assaults.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/06/17/texas-deputy-accused-sexually-assaulting-4-year-old-threatened-mom-deportation-sheriff-says

 

[K1052]

A naked admission of guilt that the child separation tactic employed by the government is a negotiating chit for Trump, regardless of the lying some in the administration are doing. He tried this with the dreamers and that didn't work. This won't work either. Do we really want to find out what wet dream of Stephen Miller he dusts off and tries out on powerless people next?

 

[zinfamous]

What could go wrong a "zero tolerance" policy on illegal immigrants...

Texas deputy accused of sexually assaulting 4-year-old threatened her mother with deportation, sheriff says


https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/06/17/texas-deputy-accused-sexually-assaulting-4-year-old-threatened-mom-deportation-sheriff-says

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump support this.

 

[K1052]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump support this.

At this point I guess the only consistent thing for them to do is endorse that guy for a Senate state.

 

[Commodus]

I find it interesting that even Melania Trump is concerned about the policy.

That has to spark an existential crisis in our resident Trump supporters. "Donald Trump never does anything wrong, so Melania must be wrong, but Donald married her, which means he trusts her, but..."