JD Power issues 2003 Vehicle Dependability Study

[isekii]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i wonder how much chrysler's crappiness has to do with the fall of the europeans?

Prolly none, European vehicles have know electrical problems.
I highly doubt Chrysler had anything more to crap it up.

prolly made it better.

 

[fastz28]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: NFS4

Top 3 Japanese (avg): 221
Top 3 Domestic (avg): 287

"domestics": 287
"japanese": 349

I fart in your general direction

Look, I agree that the data showed Japanese is generally less problematic then the domestic. The point is that I'm sick of people automatically saying GM suck in any YACT. Those people are still stuck in the 80's. :disgust:

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: fastz28

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: NFS4

Top 3 Japanese (avg): 221
Top 3 Domestic (avg): 287

"domestics": 287
"japanese": 349

I fart in your general direction

Look, I agree that the data showed Japanese is generally less problematic then the domestic. The point is that I'm sick of people automatically saying GM suck in any YACT. Those people are still stuck in the 80's. :disgust:

I agree.

btw, as a history lesson (I'll make another thread about this later), but did you know Toyota tried to create a partnership with Ford 4 times?? And they failed each time for osme reason or hte other.

 

[Ryan]

IF Nissan can implement so much quality control and overall quality of parts on their Infiniti lineup, why can't they do the same for their Nissan branded lineup?

 

[BigSmooth]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i wonder how much chrysler's crappiness has to do with the fall of the europeans?

DCX's American brands (even Plymouth!) actually outperformed the Mercedes-Benz nameplate, except for Jeep which was on par with MB.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: fastz28

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: NFS4

Top 3 Japanese (avg): 221
Top 3 Domestic (avg): 287

"domestics": 287
"japanese": 349

I fart in your general direction

Look, I agree that the data showed Japanese is generally less problematic then the domestic. The point is that I'm sick of people automatically saying GM suck in any YACT. Those people are still stuck in the 80's. :disgust:

Where did I ONCE in this thread say that GM sucked?

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: rbloedow
IF Nissan can implement so much quality control and overall quality of parts on their Infiniti lineup, why can't they do the same for their Nissan branded lineup?

$$$$$$$$
Infiniti is their luxury line, if that turns to crap, then their nissan brand would be know as crap as well.

Think of it this way. If Lexus and Acura puts out vehicles that are good and less problematic than most, then it must somehow be rubbing off on their lower end cars.
I mean bunch of you say Lexus is just a Toyota and Acura is just a Honda.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: BigSmooth

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i wonder how much chrysler's crappiness has to do with the fall of the europeans?

DCX's American brands (even Plymouth!) actually outperformed the Mercedes-Benz nameplate, except for Jeep which was on par with MB.

i suppose i should have inferred that from this:

At the other end of the spectrum is Mercedes-Benz, which experiences the largest quality gap between initial quality and long-term quality measurements.

 

[iamwiz82]

brake wear was considered in this survey.

 

[fastz28]

Originally posted by: NFS4


Where did I ONCE in this thread say that GM sucked?

LOL, ok, not this thread. Besides, I was referring to ATOT people in general, not just you.

 

[BigSmooth]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: BigSmooth

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i wonder how much chrysler's crappiness has to do with the fall of the europeans?

DCX's American brands (even Plymouth!) actually outperformed the Mercedes-Benz nameplate, except for Jeep which was on par with MB.

i suppose i should have inferred that from this:

At the other end of the spectrum is Mercedes-Benz, which experiences the largest quality gap between initial quality and long-term quality measurements.

I guess if you want a Mercedes, you should lease it. According to the Reuters article, the E-Class "deteriorates" faster than any other vehicle on the market (I'm assuming that means it has the biggest gap between initial quality and dependability rankings).

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: rbloedow
IF Nissan can implement so much quality control and overall quality of parts on their Infiniti lineup, why can't they do the same for their Nissan branded lineup?

Probably brand differentiation. The different levels of QA are probably partly fueled by a marketing need to add value to the the Infiniti nameplate so it's more than just a rebadge.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This is so general as to be useless.

Suppose one company has a two cars

Company x has a car that falls in the lowest 10 percent, and another in the top 80 in dependability.

Company y has one at 40 percent and one at 60


Now on average y has a better record.

But which of these INDIVIDUAL cars to buy? I might well pass on the 80 percent car because company y has a better average. Conversely, I could buy a car thinking it average, and have it suck big time.

 

[BigSmooth]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
brake wear was considered in this survey.

It says "excessive brake wear".

In any case, JDPA surveys certainly aren't perfect, but they're the best we've got. Plus, the automakers know what questions are asked... if enough buyers are upset by excessive brake wear to the point where they mark it as a complaint, the manufacturers probably should address that.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: fastz28

Originally posted by: NFS4


Where did I ONCE in this thread say that GM sucked?

LOL, ok, not this thread. Besides, I was referring to ATOT people in general, not just you.

Well, I don't think that most people crap on GM's in general...just their sh!tty interiors

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: BigSmooth

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
brake wear was considered in this survey.

It says "excessive brake wear".

In any case, JDPA surveys certainly aren't perfect, but they're the best we've got. Plus, the automakers know what questions are asked... if enough buyers are upset by excessive brake wear to the point where they mark it as a complaint, the manufacturers probably should address that.

if you drive your car like you are in a formula 1, you will have excessive brake wear.

 

[vi edit]

I'm curious how many new or revamped models were issued by these companies in the model year 2000.

Focus, Taurus, Escape, and Explorer were all released that year right? How about Chrysler/Dodge and GM?

 

[BigSmooth]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: BigSmooth

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
brake wear was considered in this survey.

It says "excessive brake wear".

In any case, JDPA surveys certainly aren't perfect, but they're the best we've got. Plus, the automakers know what questions are asked... if enough buyers are upset by excessive brake wear to the point where they mark it as a complaint, the manufacturers probably should address that.

if you drive your car like you are in a formula 1, you will have excessive brake wear.

True, the car companies can't control driver behavior. All they can do is use higher quality OEM parts.
But I would think that driver behavior affects most car companies equally, except maybe some companies which only have performance-oriented vehicles.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: BigSmooth

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: BigSmooth

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
brake wear was considered in this survey.

It says "excessive brake wear".

In any case, JDPA surveys certainly aren't perfect, but they're the best we've got. Plus, the automakers know what questions are asked... if enough buyers are upset by excessive brake wear to the point where they mark it as a complaint, the manufacturers probably should address that.

if you drive your car like you are in a formula 1, you will have excessive brake wear.

True, the car companies can't control driver behavior. All they can do is use higher quality OEM parts.
But I would think that driver behavior affects most car companies equally, except maybe some companies which only have performance-oriented vehicles.

I agree. I just dont think that was a good factor to rate on. I think it artificially raises those numbers a small amount, for all companies.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Some things to notice:
American cars are about average.

"German engineered" doesn't help VW/Audi

Nissan fanboys can revel as thier reliability is at a near tie to GMC/Chevrolet.

Acura was out done by Buick.

And Korean cars are fairly consistantly at the back.
American cars make up the middle of the pack.
Japanese and european split the pack. (note the reletively poor showings from Volvo and Mitsubishi)


Though, I stand by my statement that atleast 90% of reliability is owner dependant. You'll find even the worst cars still running on only regular mainenance, and the best cars permemantly shop bound.

 

[upsciLLion]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Some things to notice:

...

You'll find even the worst cars still running on only regular mainenance, and the best cars permemantly shop bound.

Only the ones driven by women.

ups

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Though, I stand by my statement that atleast 90% of reliability is owner dependant. You'll find even the worst cars still running on only regular mainenance, and the best cars permemantly shop bound.

I agree.

 

[LordJezo]

Can someone host the images? The site is really bogged down.

 

[aircooled]

JD Power = Grain of salt.

Drive what you like...

 

[BigSmooth]

LordJezo, there is a "mirror" here: http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/jdpower/11054/