Ichinisan
Lifer
- Oct 9, 2002
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Red Squirrel
No Lifer
Eug
Lifer
- Mar 11, 2000
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JM Aggie08
Diamond Member
- Jan 3, 2006
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CZroe
Lifer
- Jun 24, 2001
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He may not be able to help being attracted to kids but he can certainly help acting on those urges.
If parents can expect their heterosexual teens not to bang each other and Christians expect consenting adults to be able to resist the temptations of normal sex, why can't a pedo be expected to resist his ILLEGAL urges?
highland145
Lifer
- Oct 12, 2009
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CZroe
Lifer
- Jun 24, 2001
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I would think that most parents still ground their kids for sleeping around... when they catch them.Unreasonable expectations, imo.
The stereotypical over-protective dad who doesn't want some boy knocking up his daughter on prom night sets certain... expectations.
brianmanahan
Lifer
- Sep 2, 2006
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What part of "only his actions" did you not understand?
But having said that, with this thoughtful audience I'll say another point.
From what I've read, pedophiles actually view children differently. When we see them as one thing, pedophiles reported 'see' a sort of adult romantic person.
So apparently to them, the restrictions make no sense.
What we have now is just driving them underground where they are struggling alone against their desires - often unsuccessfully and preying.
Think about if you lived in some fundamentalist society with a ban on music or dancing or holding hands, how easy it would be to see that as ridiculous and violate the rules.
Apparently, that might be a bit how pedophiles view the children. That they aren't arming them at all, it's some weird hangup most of society has.
I don't say this at all to defend pedophile actions - I'm on board with the total opposition to their harming children - but I think it makes sense to have some understanding of what's going on, bot simply in terms of understanding the situation, understanding how to better take effective measures against harming children, and yes, having a more accurate idea of the issue.
For example, I read that Jeffrey Dahmer had overwhelming urges to do what he did, but he was so repulsed by the harming of people, he had to get drunk before he'd act on them, and he'd keep a victim in the freezer as a way to not have to kill again as often - which is some sick bizarre sort of a little bit of ethics on his part, I guess, but does help have a better understanding of him.
The point being, that while we need to prevent pedophiles from acting on their urges - the urges they have no control over, but the actions they do - it's apparently a false analogy to compare it to how we'd think of the temptation, and to better understand that they may have difficulty understanding the harm they do to children.
It's why I've long suggested that we try to develop some sort of more therapeutic - and by that, I mean measures to keep them from children, not attempts to change their sexual orientation I don't think can be changed - approach where pedophiles are encouraged and helped to a win-win situation where they are kept from children for society's good, but without the focus on punishment just because of who they are, outside of actions.
CZroe
Lifer
- Jun 24, 2001
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Blurred lines.
"This society with their Judeo-Christian ethics forced on everyone else is stifling me! I don't need to be married to have sex."
OK. That's why we have Separation of Church and State. They can disapprove but it isn't illegal.
"This society with their populist secular ethics forced on everyone else is stifling me! I don't need consent to have sex."
That's rape. Secular society disapproves. It's illegal.
"This society with their populist secular ethics forced on everyone else is stifling me! I don't need reasoned adult consent to have sex."
That's rape too. Secular society also disapproves. It's illegal.
Like it or not, society sets the standard and he knowingly violated it. In reality he had as much control over his actions as the average joe who chose not to rape the chick he passed just because he thought she was hot.
Them's the ropes. No sympathy.
"This society with their Judeo-Christian ethics forced on everyone else is stifling me! I don't need to be married to have sex."
OK. That's why we have Separation of Church and State. They can disapprove but it isn't illegal.
"This society with their populist secular ethics forced on everyone else is stifling me! I don't need consent to have sex."
That's rape. Secular society disapproves. It's illegal.
"This society with their populist secular ethics forced on everyone else is stifling me! I don't need reasoned adult consent to have sex."
That's rape too. Secular society also disapproves. It's illegal.
Like it or not, society sets the standard and he knowingly violated it. In reality he had as much control over his actions as the average joe who chose not to rape the chick he passed just because he thought she was hot.
Them's the ropes. No sympathy.
JSt0rm
Lifer
- Sep 5, 2000
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he knew he had a problem with being attracted to children. If he wanted to seek help before he committed these acts then more power to him (and anyone) but he didnt. He acted on his impulses and that was damaging to our most tender citizens. Now he has to pay the piper.
Eat Fresh!
Eat Fresh!
JSt0rm
Lifer
- Sep 5, 2000
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jared fogle - constant target http://www.people.com/article/jared-fogle-being-targetted-by-fellow-inmates-says-source
highland145
Lifer
- Oct 12, 2009
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B.S. If jared was 6'3" 240lbs of muscle, he would not be "picked" on. He's a former and current sloth pedo. He'll continue to get his ass kicked unless he grows a pair.
Eug
Lifer
- Mar 11, 2000
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Seriously, WTF.
Anyhoo, it definitely says something that in our quite liberal Western society in 2016, pedophiles are universally reviled. As they should be. And no, I'm not religious.
I'd hazard to guess he'd be picked on a lot less if he was in for robbery.
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Red Squirrel
No Lifer
This particular incident was just an assault, but it's pretty much a given that you get raped in prison, that's practically what it's for. I would imagine child molesters get it even harder. When someone is doing hard time, there is a pun intended there.
I almost feel bad for those people really, yeah they fucked up bad at life and are sickos, but can't help but wonder if it's partially a mental issue. It's kinda like being gay I guess, it's a hormone disorder and your attractions are all screwed up. The big difference is being gay is still ultimately a choice between the two partners, child molestation is usually forced and the children are victims. Either way someone who really feels attracted to children should just learn to ignore that attraction and/or seek help. That's assuming it even works that way, I don't know if it really does.
highland145
Lifer
- Oct 12, 2009
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That may well be true but you still have to protect the potential victims. Keep the known pedo's locked up. The stats on recidivism rates is convincing.
Dr. Zaus
Lifer
- Oct 16, 2008
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We DO, no doubt!
But the attitude I see here is "this guy is evil, he should suffer." That basic hate-toward-the-disordered sentiment is why these people are put in jail instead of a treatment facility or other wise treated like someone with a mental disorder.
A dangerous schizophrenic doesn't belong in gen pop, nor does a pedophile.
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