Japan's Softbank to buy ARM for £23.4bn [Financial Times][NYT][Bloomberg]

dark zero

Platinum Member
Jun 2, 2015
2,655
138
106
Oh no.... please, no....
If that means that ARM might end like Intel, is definately bad news....

Qualcomm, Mediatek, Rockchip, Spreadtrumm, Samsung, AMD, Apple and even nVIDIA must be terrified since that means only one thing: it will increase cost of the chips they make due licenses...

Maybe is time to make MIPS to shine at last?
 

dbcoopernz

Member
Aug 10, 2012
68
4
71
Oh no.... please, no....
If that means that ARM might end like Intel, is definately bad news....

Qualcomm, Mediatek, Rockchip, Spreadtrumm, Samsung, AMD, Apple and even nVIDIA must be terrified since that means only one thing: it will increase cost of the chips they make due licenses...

Maybe is time to make MIPS to shine at last?

Enter the age of RISC-V?
 

Roland00Address

Platinum Member
Dec 17, 2008
2,196
260
126
At least they have a cute mascot.

Yes Otosan is cute

fl20120429x1b.jpg


Youtube of some of the commercials including captions with english subtitles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJcvRLKO_pU

The White Family

The Dad is a dog

The Mom is a traditional japanese woman

The Son is a black adult man with glasses (This is weird in Japan for over 98% of the population are native born japanese, with almost all of the 2 remaining percent being other forms of asian such as Korean, Chinese, etc)

The Maid is a an alien played by Tommy Lee Jones, who looks like Tommy Lee Jones most of the times but sometimes his eyes go weird.


===========================

I hope ARM remains ARM at its core and will not change. But since it is not in my control all I can do is cross my fingers.
 

mxnerd

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2007
6,799
1,101
126
Stock holders will be very happy, vendors & consumers maybe not.
 

Roland00Address

Platinum Member
Dec 17, 2008
2,196
260
126
Reading the NYT article (credit to OP videogames101)

I find it ironic it seems three things made this possible

A) Brexit causing a decrease in the value of the English Pound compared to other currencies. (for example in the US due to the currency drop when the UK voted leave on Brexit, you can now convert US dollars to UK Pounds for 85% of the value of today's US dollars compared to what it was 3 weeks ago where it would cost 15% more US dollars to do the same conversion). This in turn allows an effect 15% cheaper price on the ARM stock.

B) Softbank selling it majority stake of Clash of Clans to Tencent Holdings (A China Investment Holdings Company), this occurred last month and netted softbank $8.6 Billion.

C) Softbank selling some of its share of Alibaba (The Chinese online retailer in much the same way the online retailer of the US is Amazon.com) for $10 billion.

I do not know why I find this funny but the fact that half of the necessary money to make this possible was due to a freemium game, makes this really funny in my eyes.
 

NTMBK

Lifer
Nov 14, 2011
10,245
5,035
136
Well at least it keeps it out of Chinese hands.

If they follow through on the promises of increased investment and headcount, I feel sorry for Imagination.
 

know of fence

Senior member
May 28, 2009
555
2
71
What good is an all time high share price if currency is at a long time low.
What do you do with all those pounds, buy shares of British companies that haven't been gobbled up, yet?
 

NTMBK

Lifer
Nov 14, 2011
10,245
5,035
136
What good is an all time high share price if currency is at a long time low.
What do you do with all those pounds, buy shares of British companies that haven't been gobbled up, yet?

Wait for the currency to rebound and make a tidy profit.
 

krumme

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 2009
5,954
1,585
136
If a73 wasnt enough pressure on qcom and samsung own cpu design softbanks expansions plan on uk staff will put tremendous pressure on future designs.
Its absolutely great to finaly have a huge guy with deep pockets behind arm. This could have fundamental effects for the future cpu market on 5 years plus perspective.

Nothing is as important for business as owners. And this could be a big bang.
 

dark zero

Platinum Member
Jun 2, 2015
2,655
138
106
Well at least it keeps it out of Chinese hands.

If they follow through on the promises of increased investment and headcount, I feel sorry for Imagination.
You think that?
I feel the opposite... Samsung, Qualcomm, Mediatek and even Apple will rethink to rethink if is worthy to stay in ARM or is better to move to MIPS
 

MrTeal

Diamond Member
Dec 7, 2003
3,572
1,710
136
B) Softbank selling it majority stake of Clash of Clans to Tencent Holdings (A China Investment Holdings Company), this occurred last month and netted softbank $8.6 Billion.

I do not know why I find this funny but the fact that half of the necessary money to make this possible was due to a freemium game, makes this really funny in my eyes.

Holy crap. I knew that must have been somewhat large based on the fact they keep airing those stupid commercials, but that's an insane valuation for one game. Unless Tencent also uses that to data mine for the Chinese government, I can't imagine that Softbank didn't get the best end of that deal.
 

Nothingness

Platinum Member
Jul 3, 2013
2,433
761
136
Nah, you don't buy a company at a 43% premium with the intention to try to flip it later.
Can't wait to read what you'll write about that :)

What bothers me is that Softbank has a $100B debt and that this will dilute a ~4K company into a ~65K one. I just can't believe they'll let ARM untouched and undamaged.
 

videogames101

Diamond Member
Aug 24, 2005
6,777
19
81
I don't think you pay a 43% premium unless it's a long play. It will be interesting to see how much the Softbank management touches the ARM management.
 

dark zero

Platinum Member
Jun 2, 2015
2,655
138
106
Reminder....

Softbank owns Sprint Communications.

Oh no... that's worse! So... exclusive models are coming up?

What they want to do? Kill ARM?

I hate to say this but it was the worst moment for Intel to leave the market..

Now MIPS has the chance to get some companies for them.
 

senseamp

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
35,787
6,195
126
What happens if Apple buys Imagination Technologies, and becomes owner of MIPS? It could easily happen, especially if a competitor bids for Imagination and forces Apple's hand.
How long are they going to stick with ARM?
 

NostaSeronx

Diamond Member
Sep 18, 2011
3,687
1,222
136
What if... hear me out now... what if... aliens. It is clear now that aliens are manipulating the markets.
 

senseamp

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
35,787
6,195
126
As Andy Grove used to say, when it comes to tech, only the paranoid survive.
SoftBank is paying 40x(forward)-60x(trailing) earnings, so we are talking about decades to make back in earnings what they are spending now. A lot of stuff can happen in the meantime.
 

poofyhairguy

Lifer
Nov 20, 2005
14,612
318
126
Qualcomm, Mediatek, Rockchip, Spreadtrumm, Samsung, AMD, Apple and even nVIDIA must be terrified since that means only one thing: it will increase cost of the chips they make due licenses...

Meh, there is a ceiling on that. In the modern age if someone wants too much for a license (or they refuse to license ala Steve Jobs and the iPhone) you just do it anyway and take them to court and have the courts knock down that huge fee to something reasonable over a decade.

What matters more is maybe ARM will have a chance to actually compete going forward. We almost got to a point that having a "standard" ARM core in a SoC is a bad thing.