Japanese mayor: Wartime sex slaves were necessary

[Dari]

Uh, I provided a wiki link which asserts that the prostitution was forced and cites historical works. You've provided nothing but your own opinions.

Yeah, you provided a link but you told me to look at the link's sources, not the actual content of the link itself (since it's wikipedia and can be edited by anyone). I've debated this topic before and provided sources then. I'm not interested in going back to look for them. Also, many of them were Japanese military advertisements at the time looking for women. I'm not even interested in having this argument again because we will never agree (hence my assertion that this is still up for debate).

 

[Meghan54]

Don't force me to do your dirty work. Or are you a hypocrite?

Anyway, Hashimoto's opinion are his own, not official policy. IMHO, the blame for all this is not with the Japanese military, or any military, it lies squarely with the opposing forces. IMHO, governments, whether democratic or autocratic, have a mandate from the governed. What they do they do in the name of the governed. Therefore, the governed are 100% responsible for the actions of their governments. If they felt otherwise they would get rid of it. Therefore, IMHO, there are rarely any victims of war. The losers are wholly responsible for their fate, whether it's slavery or an atomic blast. The only exception I can think of is when a government abandons (and turns on) its own people, or a minority, not unlike Nazi Germany and her allies to Jews. But for those who provided manpower and materials to their army, they are responsible for whatever happens to them should their side loses a conflict. The "laws" of war is an oxymoron if ever there was one. It simply does not exist. It is whatever one side decides to do and that's that.

Yep, you're so right, Dari. Those occupied Chinese should have simply voted the Japanese occupiers right out of their country. Yeah, that'd have worked sooooo well. And I wonder why the Italians, French, etc., didn't think of that, either.

 

[Dari]

Yep, you're so right, Dari. Those occupied Chinese should have simply voted the Japanese occupiers right out of their country. Yeah, that'd have worked sooooo well. And I wonder why the Italians, French, etc., didn't think of that, either.

Who said anything about voting? It's all about the violence and the rejection of a foreign entity. You fight and die or live with the consequences of the occupation. I don't know why this is difficult to understand. If someone invades your home talking won't do much to persuade them to leave. You have to chase them with bullets...

 

[Nintendesert]

Yes yes! Dari delivers once again.

 

[Zeze]

Hahhahaahah like a clockwork.

 

[Dari]

That tends to explain Koreans....

Yes it does.

 

[Phokus]

Proof that it's not only America's rightwing that is crazy.

 

[CitizenKain]

Whether it was forced is still up for debate.

No it isn't. Well, not with anyone who has an education at least.

The response was overwhelming and the rest is history. Whether it was Japanese soldiers 60 years ago or American soldiers today, women want to be with winners...

If they wanted to be with winners, that explains why they were they forced into prostitution then.

 

[Karl Agathon]

I'm extremely pro-Japan and I make no bones about it. However, I found that comment from the mayor to be extremely disturbing. Still doesn't change the fact that Japan should reverse its constitution and go nuclear to counteract Red China's upcoming Nazi equivalent belligerence.

 

[Dari]

No it isn't. Well, not with anyone who has an education at least.



If they wanted to be with winners, that explains why they were they forced into prostitution then.

Well, if you chose to cherry-pick the facts then you can always find the conclusions you like. Sometimes, history is much more complex than the good vs. evil crap that is taught as official history. But many people like their stories nicely packaged and easily digestible...

For example, in this country, African-Americans like to romanticized that they were taken from their homes in Africa at gunpoint and brought here as slaves. They don't like to mention the fact that they were sold by their local rivals after defeat in conflicts.

Or the fact that Communist China killed more Chinese than foreigners ever did.

Or the fact that no Arab state wanted Palestinians on their soil because they caused trouble.

I could go on...

 

[Whiskey16]

But he harbors no ill will towards whores.

...women from around the region still insist on providing these services...

Dari bullshit -- CAPTURED SEX SLAVES = WILLING WHORES

 

[2timer]

I could go on...

Please, by all means do so. Your distortion of facts makes you appear ridiculous.

 

[Dari]

Dari bullshit -- CAPTURED SEX SLAVES = WILLING WHORES

I think it can be argued that some were held against their will. For example, the young. But most chose whoring. However, what they did not expect was the aggression and the lack of rules. Basically, the soldiers did as they pleased and treated the women badly. Their commanders looked the other way as they had more pressing issue and because of culture. This is when things can get out of hand and can lead to depravity.

Anyone that reflects upon this can understand what was going on here. A woman that gives herself to multiple men will be treated like trash.

 

[Dari]

Please, by all means do so. Your distortion of facts makes you appear ridiculous.

Ok. After the Imperial Japanese Army (IJA) exited Korea, it was split into two. North Korea adopted the sun emperor system that came from Japan and it is still used to this day. North Koreans, for all their talk about juche, see their dictators as a sun-king. Just like with the emperor in imperial Japan, N. Korean dictators are portrayed as motherly figures (not masculine) with soft facial features and all-embracing. You can see it today in N. Korean statues, shows, etc... If Japan had won the war, it may not have looked all that different from North Korea.

In S. Korea, the army adopted the repressive nature of the IJA. They jailed or killed dissidents and did not like protests. The S. Koreans were extremely brutal and Americans (and their Vietnamese allies and enemies) saw that in Vietnam. Democracy only came to S. Korea in the late 1980s.

 

[2timer]

Ok. After the Imperial Japanese Army (IJA) exited Korea, it was split into two. North Korea adopted the sun emperor system that came from Japan and it is still used to this day. North Koreans, for all their talk about juche, see their dictators as a sun-king. Just like with the emperor in imperial Japan, N. Korean dictators are portrayed as motherly figures (not masculine) with soft facial features and all-embracing. You can see it today in N. Korean statues, shows, etc... If Japan had won the war, it may not have looked all that different from North Korea.

In S. Korea, the army adopted the repressive nature of the IJA. They jailed or killed dissidents and did not like protests. The S. Koreans were extremely brutal and Americans (and their Vietnamese allies and enemies) saw that in Vietnam. Democracy only came to S. Korea in the late 1980s.

LOL. So North Korea attempts to "emulate" Japan? Gosh you're one funny little feller.

By the way, even if that were true, it would be a shame on Japan since North Korea is such a horrible shithole.

 

[Dari]

LOL. So North Korea attempts to "emulate" Japan? Gosh you're one funny little feller.

By the way, even if that were true, it would be a shame on Japan since North Korea is such a horrible shithole.

Yes, and it makes sense if you think about it. They basically replaced the ruling power. It's a lot simpler to replace within an established system than to usurp it with a brand new order.

Why would it be a shame on Japan? When Japan was ruled by the emperor was it a shithole? No, it ruled a vast empire. Your logic makes no sense. It's more of a testament to communism than it is to Japan...

 

[gakr2519770]

If you read everything that guy has said he sounds slightly off one day and better the next. He's just an attention whore.

Exactly, he's a crazy nut. Probably a good idea to ignore such fools..

Oh, and Dari is a wise and beautiful woman who deserves to have his windpipe cut in two.

 

[2timer]

Yes, and it makes sense if you think about it. They basically replaced the ruling power. It's a lot simpler to replace within an established system than to usurp it with a brand new order.

Why would it be a shame on Japan? When Japan was ruled by the emperor was it a shithole? No, it ruled a vast empire. Your logic makes no sense. It's more of a testament to communism than it is to Japan...

Yeah, right. So North Korea is emulating a Japanese system that Japan itself abandoned. Lol.

Your basic argument is pretty stupid. But anyways, no more troll food for your batshit nationalism.

 

[arami]

200,000 women enslaved..:if that was indeed true...i am thinking about the logistic nightmare they must have faced

 

[CFP]

A woman that gives herself to multiple men will be treated like trash.

Well, yes, but you seem to only be able to see the symptoms.

 

[Dari]

Yeah, right. So North Korea is emulating a Japanese system that Japan itself abandoned. Lol.

Your basic argument is pretty stupid. But anyways, no more troll food for your batshit nationalism.

You're the idiot. N. korea is emulating a lot of things that was abandoned by many a long time ago, moron. If my argument is stupid, why can't you easily refute it? It shouldn't take much.

Here is an article I found on the subject you ******** **********

Over the top even for here.
admin allisolm

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The mother of all dictatorships

To understand North Korea, look not to Confucius or the Soviet Union, but to fascist 1930s Japan
Feb 25th 2010 |From the print edition


THE face that North Korea presents to the world is widely held to be unreal. Kim Jong Il once told Madeleine Albright, Bill Clinton's secretary of state, that the bombast in honour of himself and his late, great father, Kim Il Sung, was so much nonsense. Bruce Cumings, an historian, wonders what Mr Kim can be thinking, “standing there in his pear-shaped polyester pantsuit, pointy-toed elevator shoes, oversize sunglasses of malevolent tint, an arrogant curl to his feminine lip…and a perpetual bad-hair day? He is thinking, get me out of here.”

The notion that North Korea does not always believe what it is doing colours even diplomacy, which may soon start up again after months of tantrums on the part of the North. The aim is to get North Korea to give up its nuclear programmes as a prelude to normalising relations on the Korean peninsula. Many policymakers in America believe—against the evidence—that Mr Kim can be persuaded to do a deal. Some think that behind his antagonism lurks a desire for accommodation—and even an alliance.

A new book*, by Brian Myers at South Korea's Dongseo University, shows just how wishful such thinking is. Dismissing what the North Korean regime tells the outside world, the author looks instead at North Korea's domestic propaganda, the Kim family cult and the country's official myths. From these he pieces together what North Koreans are supposed to believe. He concludes that Mr Kim's power is based not just on surveillance and repression. Nor can its survival be ascribed simply to the effective brainwashing of the population. Rather, the personality cult proceeds from powerful myths about race and history.

Ideas of racial purity lie at the heart of North Koreans' self-image. Since the regime's founding, they have been taught to think that they are a unique race, incapable of evil. Virtue, in turn, has made Koreans as vulnerable as children. Korea's history, the regime insists, is the history of a child-race abused by adults—Chinese, Japanese and American. Pure, spontaneous and naive, Koreans need a caring, protective leader. The upshot is the Kims' peculiar cult, of state-sponsored infantilism.

You see no chin-thrusting depictions of father or son on the monumental streets of Pyongyang. In art as in life, both Kims are effeminate and podgy. Warnings against fleeing to China are conveyed as directed at a squirrel who wanders too far. In paintings, Kim Il Sung tucks children into bed. The nation lies at the “breast” of Kim Jong Il and his party. As commander-in-chief of the armed forces, Mr Kim is even called “Mother General”.

There is a precedent for this weirdly hermaphroditic parent figure: Emperor Hirohito in fascist, imperial Japan. Then Hirohito was depicted as the heart of a pure nation, which was ready to die for him because emperor and people were one. When Japan ruled Korea from 1905-45, racist ideologues said that the two countries shared the same bloodline. They were both members of the winning racial team.

After the second world war, Mr Myers recounts, Kim Il Sung kicked the Japanese off the team and pinched all their ideas. Former propagandists for the Japanese were set to work manufacturing North Korean myths. Mount Paektu was endowed with Fuji-like sacred status. Kim was painted atop a white charger, like one Hirohito used to ride. And, like Hirohito until Japan's surrender, Kim Jong Il, like his father before him, was not heard speaking by his people in public broadcasts. To an extent, such fascism has worked. Many North Koreans see the mass robotic gymnastics of the Arirang games (which bore Kim Jong Il rigid) not as a grim Stalinist display but as a celebration of pure blood and homogeneity.

The counterpart to a childish state at home is a hostile world outside. For this Japan and, especially, imperialist America are essential. Mr Myers conveys well the intensity of race-hatred directed at America. Americans are chillingly scorned as miscegenated “bastards”, in contrast to pure-blooded Koreans. Again, myths are recycled from militarist Japan. Christian missionaries are said to inject innocent Korean children with fatal bacilli. The author valuably describes how propagandists depict diplomatic overtures by South Korea and America as quaking capitulations. Aid becomes tribute, so aid-bags stamped with the stars-and-stripes are tolerated when turned into use as holdalls. All this has a bearing as the diplomatic merry-go-round cranks up again.

End games

Mr Myers wonders why Mr Kim would ever give up confrontation with America when his legitimacy rests upon it. After a deadly famine in the mid-1990s and, in recent weeks, a bungled currency confiscation, he has no interest in claiming to stand for material prosperity. Anyway, South Korea wins that competition hands-down. Rather, nuclear crises since 1994—and the detonation of a first nuclear device in 2006—allow him to present himself as the nation's defender against aggression. In 2009 the country's “military-first” policy, making the armed forces the nation's highest priority, was even enshrined in the constitution. Fascism is Mr Kim's last refuge. Giving up nuclear weapons would spell the end. So he negotiates with America not to end tensions, but to manage them: neither all-out war nor all-out peace.

What would bring the regime down, then? Thanks to the advancing creep of knowledge, North Koreans know that the South is richer by far. But the propaganda state has found a way around that. South Koreans may be rich, but they are desperately unhappy because they are under the thumb of the despised Yankees. Harder to deal with, by far, would be to find out that South Koreans are content in their republic.

*The Cleanest Race: How North Koreans See Themselves—And Why It Matters. By B.R. Myers. Melville House; 200 pages; $24.95

 

[piasabird]

This is a very good link to History of Korea during Japanese occupation, sometimes called the colonial period.

http://www.asianinfo.org/asianinfo/korea/history/colonial_period.htm


http://www.jpri.org/publications/workingpapers/wp77.html
http://abuse.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-Japanese_sentiment_in_Korea
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/14/south-korean-comfort-women-mark-1000th-rally-for-japan-apology/

Japan cut down all the trees, overfished the waters, raped the women, burned korean books, stole all the farmland, abused the farmers and stole the crops, took women and men as slaves to serve Japan. The Women worked as sex slaves and the men worked in Mines in Japan. Many or these people were killed when the USA Bombed Japan with nuclear bombs.

No words can correctly convey the savagery murder and torture that Korea went through during the Japanese Occupation. Never trust the Japanese.

 

[piasabird]

Here is a korean modern day film about their japanese invaders:

http://www.dramafever.com/drama/411...m_content=bridal_mask_ad1&utm_campaign=titles

This explains it a little bit better:
http://www.viki.com/tv/4803c-bridal-mask
One man against the Japanese Empire!

 

[CitizenKain]

Here is an article I found on the subject you G-ddamn cumdrinker

Dari, the classiest nationalist weeaboo on the forum.

 

[5150Joker]

Why does Dari have such hard on for Japan? Is he Japanese? If not then he probably looks like one of those nerds that dresses up at anime conventions.