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Japanese manufacturers ready to throw their subcompacts into U.S. market

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What you screwballs consider "buckets", are no different than any other automobile seat. Today's cars have no support for your thighs, like the deep bench in a pickup. If the guests in your home were forced to sit on a couch, with seats no deeper than your car, they'd leave! The closer the seating in my car is, to the seating in that Bentley, the better I like it.

I'm sure GM will be saved if... they'd start building decent cars again!
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
What you screwballs consider "buckets", are no different than any other automobile seat. Today's cars have no support for your thighs, like the deep bench in a pickup. If the guests in your home were forced to sit on a couch, with seats no deeper than your car, they'd leave! The closer the seating in my car is, to the seating in that Bentley, the better I like it.

I'm sure GM will be saved if... they'd start building decent cars again!
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Magnum is an ugly car. GM has a bunch of nice cars coming out.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
What you screwballs consider "buckets", are no different than any other automobile seat. Today's cars have no support for your thighs, like the deep bench in a pickup. If the guests in your home were forced to sit on a couch, with seats no deeper than your car, they'd leave! The closer the seating in my car is, to the seating in that Bentley, the better I like it.

I'm sure GM will be saved if... they'd start building decent cars again!
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But neither have front benches
 

  1. Seen enough SUVs? If somebody doesn't build more cars like the Magnum, you'll be seeing even more!
The fact is:
  1. Detroit CAN still build a decent sized car
  2. Such a car IS in demand
  3. Such a car can ALSO perform
  4. You CAN have your cake & eat it, too (for a price)
 
That's great! These are some of my favorite cars because they are just so utilitarian and honestly to me they're very stylish little cars.
 
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
I don't think he's activly "out to get" small cars or to turn people away from them. He just doesn't "get it." The concept of cars even smaller then a civic or a focus just don't make sense to him.
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Actually anything sized like an Accord or Camry and below doesn't make sense to him. This is the reason why I'm always arguing with him 😀
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Hah ....
Well, on the plus side, you weren't one of the ones accusing trollery 🙂
I just figured he was totally outnumbered, so I'd jump in and throw in my 2 (meaningless) bits.
 
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Ornery

The fact is:
  1. Detroit CAN still build a decent sized car
  2. Such a car IS in demand
  3. Such a car can ALSO perform
  4. You CAN have your cake & eat it, too (for a price)
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You're right, and THIS is it. I'm all over this like white on rice:

Ford Fusion
Ford Fusion (Interior)
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No offense, but I think that car is sort of boring. Sure, it's new and has a different style, but in terms of style, how many months will it take when it becomes just ordinary. Remember the Focus? It was stylish and innovative for a very short time. By innovative, I mean the handling was celebrated in car magazines as being European. I do think Detroit is offering some nice cars. I like the newly released Impala, Lucerne, and Jeep Commander.
 
Originally posted by: NFS4
And another thing in regards to "smaller vehicles." Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Mazda3 the best selling car in Canada? Imagine that....
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yup...we love our small cars. We sell more SMARTs than MINI's...and the Echo hatchback is a sales success.

As for my previous post, i meant that hte cars I listed are considered subcompacts in other parts of the world...and hte cars you posted are considered fairly large.

for example in india, the corolla is considered a mid-size sedan...and the camry/accord/sonata/c-class is considered luxury cars (they are priced like one too)
 
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: TNM93
While you get better gas mileage, there are already a bunch of slightly larger cars that get 30-40 mpg, such as the Toyota Echo. As far as manueverability in cities, these subcompact cars may have an advantage in Japan and Europe where roads are small. But I don't see any point in the US, given that US roads can easily handle larger vehicles.
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Uhhh, the Yaris is the replacement for the Echo😕 If anything, it's roughly the same size.
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The Echo is the outgoing Yaris, that everyone else in the world has, with a Trunk.
 
onery, you're obviously being a troll. these car companies are just doing what's already been semi-popular in europe/asia, where fuel costs are a lot higher. It's only logical to follow the consumer, and the consumers are getting smarter and more efficient in their ways of consumption.

the mini is actually a cool little car, so small cars can be "cool" in a sense. Of course we all love the larger cars and large engines, but why buy something that we don't need?

two can play the same game.


a person driving a huge pile of metal is just a person wasting resources for his own personal benefit. It's selfish, inefficient, and really stupid in logic.

Everything in the developing world revolves around efficiency. all computer software is developed to be as efficient as possible so they don't become resource hogs. Since when did using a chat program require a 1 ghgz processor w/ 512 ram to run properly just because it was inefficient in its coding a "cool" thing?

when biulding bridges, biuldings, using less to do more is always the motto.

Being an EE myself, efficiency is everything. Needless consumption is ilogical; aka stupid.

The very notion of "hot deals" here is the same concept, yet you still want to buy huge cars to carry 1 person.


your opinion is weak, your argument is weak, and you're just arguing in a circumlocutory fashion; in other words, you're just being a troll and flamebait.


Why is it in your nature to start sh!t? Grow up?


Then again, a good professor once told me "you always produce/invent/manufacture/make products that people want, and not what they need."

His next comment?

"But that's the motto of my generation; the line of 'need' and 'want' is getting thinner. consumers are getting smarter, so it's now back to the early days of engineering products that make our lives easier from the standards that were created from the last century." (ehh, more or less. Not exact words of course, but you get the general idea)

I'm sorry to bash on an elder, as such as you onery, but I could not avoid the obvious flamebait/trolling you have laid out. As they say, on with the new, gone with the old. You alone cannot change what the new generation wants and thinks.

So stop being so grumpy about what teams of engineers and market researchers (who with their engineering/masters/phd degrees are collectively far far more smarter than you, me, or any one individual here in AT) create for the market; for the consumers.

one cannot fight alone, so onery, just stop.
 
Look maggot, I haven't posted a GD thing since the 27th, so WTF are YOU bringing up shlt for now? Here's my synopsis:
  1. I don't start one GD topic after another about Jap cars, Domestic cars or any other cars for that matter. Are these topics just supposed to sit idle for people to read without comment, or what?
  2. If eensie cars are so flippin' awesome, why do they keep growing over the decades?
  3. I'll bet better than half the mofos bitching about SUVs wasting so much fuel, have a half hour commute everyday. Did it ever occur to them they'd be saving our "precious resources" by living in a SMALLER house (which also saves resources in itself) closer to work? Hypocrite SOBS!
  4. Sacrificing safety for fuel savings is a piss poor trade off in my book.
  5. Perhaps YOU can explain the huge popularity of trucks and SUVs
  6. Perhaps YOU can explain the popularity of Chryslers 300 series platform.
  7. Perhaps YOU can explain why service vehicles and police STILL insist on using full size cars.
  8. If you don't like MY opinions... TOUGH SHlT!
 
In other news.... GM says sales are slowing on SUVs because they are't big enough anymore for America, GM plans to enlarge their SUV sizes by 20% to boost sales. Also Management is ready to blame all future slow sales and profit losses on the UAW again.
 
Originally posted by: Chadder007
In other news.... GM says sales are slowing on SUVs because they are't big enough anymore for America, GM plans to enlarge their SUV sizes by 20% to boost sales. Also Management is ready to blame all future slow sales and profit losses on the UAW again.
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Actually gm is boosting mpg on their SUVs. The 07 tahoe is supposed to get 21 mpg. Not bad for a vehicle that large.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Look maggot, I haven't posted a GD thing since the 27th, so WTF are YOU bringing up shlt for now? Here's my synopsis:
  1. I don't start one GD topic after another about Jap cars, Domestic cars or any other cars for that matter. Are these topics just supposed to sit idle for people to read without comment, or what?
  2. If eensie cars are so flippin' awesome, why do they keep growing over the decades?
  3. I'll bet better than half the mofos bitching about SUVs wasting so much fuel, have a half hour commute everyday. Did it ever occur to them they'd be saving our "precious resources" by living in a SMALLER house (which also saves resources in itself) closer to work? Hypocrite SOBS!
  4. Sacrificing safety for fuel savings is a piss poor trade off in my book.
  5. Perhaps YOU can explain the huge popularity of trucks and SUVs
  6. Perhaps YOU can explain the popularity of Chryslers 300 series platform.
  7. Perhaps YOU can explain why service vehicles and police STILL insist on using full size cars.
  8. If you don't like MY opinions... TOUGH SHlT!
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Answer to 2,5,6 trends in American culture and psychology. American pop culture is fairly obsessed with the issue of masculinity, subconsciously I've got to look MANLY and TOUGH. That's the mind set that the SUV market is catering to, not all consciously of course and not in all cases. In other cultures which put emphasis on masculinity in a different way, it's important in all cultures of course, you see car companies catering to different needs. The small compact cars look cool, slick, smart and utilitarian and packs a fair amount of power into a small space which caters to a different psychology in other countries, like those in Europe and Canada.

As for fuel savings SUVs not only use more fuel but the government has relaxed standards on them because they don't fit into the category of "cars" but instead into trucks, purposefully allowing them to be less fuel efficient and pollute more. But the argument of the environmentalist, which I support, is one that is almost pointless to b!tch about unless you already support it to some degree, it always just leads to flame wars.

 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Look maggot, I haven't posted a GD thing since the 27th, so WTF are YOU bringing up shlt for now? Here's my synopsis:
  1. I don't start one GD topic after another about Jap cars, Domestic cars or any other cars for that matter. Are these topics just supposed to sit idle for people to read without comment, or what?
  2. If eensie cars are so flippin' awesome, why do they keep growing over the decades?
  3. I'll bet better than half the mofos bitching about SUVs wasting so much fuel, have a half hour commute everyday. Did it ever occur to them they'd be saving our "precious resources" by living in a SMALLER house (which also saves resources in itself) closer to work? Hypocrite SOBS!
  4. Sacrificing safety for fuel savings is a piss poor trade off in my book.
  5. Perhaps YOU can explain the huge popularity of trucks and SUVs
  6. Perhaps YOU can explain the popularity of Chryslers 300 series platform.
  7. Perhaps YOU can explain why service vehicles and police STILL insist on using full size cars.
  8. If you don't like MY opinions... TOUGH SHlT!
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lol, and a man of your age will resort to name calling?

As for bringing up sh!t and calling people hypocrites, who's the hypocrite now? I did not bring up sh!t in the first place. You invited Sh!t to be piled up onto you. Not my fault.

Again you run in circles by bringing up "service vehicles." There's a difference between a consumer that buys big cars just because it's cool and buying big cars because they really have to (construction, equipment, etc.)

of course the 300 is popular, and I like the car as well, but was that my initial argument? no. The people who buy smaller cars are growing, and getting more accepted by the general populace. One of my arguments were that the consumers are getting more efficient in their ways of consumption. Yes the 300 is still popular, the the small car segment is steadily growing, and that's why car companies are jumping on the opportunity.

Also, buying a house near where you work is a moot point argument. Finding work and finding living accomodations together is not entirely in one's power, whereas buying a vehicle is.

Also, the condo market is booming here in So. Cal, so people are buying smaller abodes.


I initially knocked you because you kept on inviting flames. They weren't mere statements of opinions, but had more of a hostile tone than anything else, coupled with name calling and unnessesary personal attacks/claims etc.


I myself love large cars w/ V8's. I'd love to own a nice infiniti M series of cars, or a SUV crossover. I'm saying that I UNDERSTAND why there is a growing number of people who like smaller cars, and buy smaller cars.

It just seems that you're a universal cynic who loves to go into bars w/ a "i'm a badass" mentatlity and look for trouble. Why even start flamebait in teh first place? There's no point in it but to make you yourself angrier at people and have people angry at you.

What's the point?

 
most hatches seem incredibly ugly, which is why i don't get why people buy them. SOME do look nice. the yaris, however, is one fugly vehicle
 
Japanese manufacturers ready to throw their subcompacts into U.S. market

They already "threw their subcompacts into U.S. market" 30 years ago, and our nitwit consumers gobbled it up, rocking Detroit back on its heals. They never really recovered. As Detroit tried to build competitive econoboxes, retooling and abandoning decent sized cars, the Japanese econoboxes kept growing bigger.

In other words, our idiot consumers pound domestics into oblivion, by doing a 180 degree switch from decent sized cruisers, to tiny econoboxes. Then, Detroit completely retools in order to give them what they want, and the Japanese cars slowly morph into nearly full size cars, apparently because that's what our fickle consumers prefer.

Perhaps the Japanese didn't morph fast enough, because our dimwitted consumers suddenly realized they didn't like being shoehorned into those econoboxes after all. So, they ended up migrating to trucks and SUVs, because thanks to them, Detroit no longer built full size cars! So, here we are with 50% of vehicles sold, being some sort of truck. Almost no full size cars at a reasonable price, and minivans trying to handle duties that were once done by the venerable station wagon, which was another casualty of our brilliant consumers.

Those same consumers had ZERO ecological reasons for switching to econoboxes 30 years ago. It was purely for selfish, fuel cost savings. It was only after they found themselves sharing roads with huge trucks (a monster they created themselves by abandoning full size cars) that they decided they were driving an econobox for the sake of the environment. All the while commuting 100 miles per day, so they could afford a larger (and by default, less fuel efficient) home.

Now, all of a sudden, "Japanese manufacturers ready to throw their subcompacts into U.S. market" again? Swell... :roll:
 
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
minivans trying to handle duties that were once done by the venerable station wagon, which was another casualty of our brilliant consumers.
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minivans did everything station wagons did better than station wagons, which is why they sold so much and why ford tried to bury the idea in the first place.
 
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