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Japanese manufacturers ready to throw their subcompacts into U.S. market

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Originally posted by: Ornery

  1. Don't tell me, tell HONDA!
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Those were great cars. And small as they were, they were as safe or safe than anything Detroit put out at the same time. And then also more reliable, less expensive, and got better gas mileage. How else do you think that Honda got into the USDM except by making better cars?
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Ornery
  1. Don't tell me, tell HONDA!
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Stop avoiding the it and just answer the dang question. It's not that hard. What is your problem with today's small vehicles in comparison to other vehicles on the road TODAY?
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Same thing that's wrong with motorcycles. My brother once totaled his Cricket in an accident... with a Harley!
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And? So we should all drive bigger vehicles so that they don't get totaled in a crash?
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
The more massive vehicle in a two-vehicle collision would be presumed to be safer since it would undergo less change in velocity during the collision. Not so evident is the fact that the more massive car is safer in a single-car accident.
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The last time I got in a wreck, I broad-sided a '89 ish Mercury Sable with my '87 Pontiac Sunbird at around 35MPH. We both walked away. With no injuries.

I'd rather drive a Mazda 3s Hatch with dual front, side and head curtain airbags for front and rear passengers than some hulking Crown Vic or Tahoe (your full-frame favorites)
 
I love Toyota's, but I really don't like the way the yaris looks, or it's tiny engine. I'd never be able to drive it and not feel like I was in a glorified golf cart.
 
I dont think subcompacts will be popular in america. subcompacts are popular in asian countires where they have to drive thru titer spots usually.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Fasten your seatbelts for some politically incorrect news: You are most likely to survive a motor vehicle accident if the vehicle you are in is big.
  • Size and weight equals better occupant protection - it is basic physics - and a big reason for the ongoing popularity of SUVs. You (and your family) stand a much better chance of surviving a major crash in a 4,500-lb. mid-size SUV than in a 2,400-lb. subcompact, especially in a head-on collision.
Suit yourself!
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OK, so let me get this straight. Because a lot of Americans are wasteful and buy large SUVs to they "think" that they are cool, I should buy one too so that IF we get into a wreck I'll come out OK?

Basically, everyone else is doing it so why shouldn't I????
 
Which is why 64 Impalas had such high fatality rates, right? Oh no, that was because the metal glovebox door popped open and eviscerated the un-belted passengers (seatbelts were an option). There is SO much more to safety than size and weight. Suit yourself if you want to be an idiot by thinking that simplisticly or believing that crap propaganda. You think you'd be more likely to survive a 200+ mph impact in your 2-and-a-half ton Crown Vic than in a 1500 lb. F-1 car? Go ahead and fool yourself.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery

  1. Like a dog returning to its vomit... :roll:
I've NEVER been able to figure out why people ever bought that crap in the first place. Obviously they weren't satisified, or they wouldn't have become three times as large over the next 30 years!
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because they are cheap, get amazing MPG and getyou from point A to point B just fine
 
Originally posted by: Remy XO
I dont think subcompacts will be popular in america. subcompacts are popular in asian countires where they have to drive thru titer spots usually.
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Scion xA, Scion xB, Chevy Aveo, Kia Rio, Hyundai Accent????
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Fasten your seatbelts for some politically incorrect news: You are most likely to survive a motor vehicle accident if the vehicle you are in is big.
  • Size and weight equals better occupant protection - it is basic physics - and a big reason for the ongoing popularity of SUVs. You (and your family) stand a much better chance of surviving a major crash in a 4,500-lb. mid-size SUV than in a 2,400-lb. subcompact, especially in a head-on collision.
Suit yourself!
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That article is stupid.

If everyone drove cars the size of Honda Civics, they say, we would all be safer.

But that's demonstrably false. If you run off the road and hit a telephone pole, or a big oak tree, you've got a much better chance of living to tell the tale if you are driving a larger vehicle rather than a compact. And in high-speed accidents, larger, heavier vehicles such as SUVs are inherently more crashworthy than compacts.
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Size isn't everything. Its the design and material used. For example. take the crash test photos from the Ford F-150 and Mini cooper comparison. I'd sure as hell rather be in that cooper then the F-150 (a much larger fvcken vehicle).

Critics of SUV safety focus on the worst-case scenarios, but tend to ignore the SUV's advantages in poor weather, such as rain and snow, when it is much less likely to be involved in an accident resulting from loss of driver control.
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With the superior size and weight of the SUV, its MORE likely to lose control in the first place, considering the greater amounts of traction needed to keep the vehicle moving in the right directions.

This whole mentallity of being safer in the SUV just makes all those people less respectful of other drivers on the road. "If I smack that camry, I'll be fine." "It doesn't matter that I'm cutting that accord off, he'll have to break or he'll just drive under me." Your kind of thinking just leads to a perpetual loop. Oh, he has a civic, I'll get an accord. Oh, he has an accord, I'll get a town car. A town car? They won't stand a chance against me in an excursion.
 
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Remy XO
I dont think subcompacts will be popular in america. subcompacts are popular in asian countires where they have to drive thru titer spots usually.
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Scion xA, Scion xB, Chevy Aveo, Kia Rio, Hyundai Accent????
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those are monsters compared to the real subcompacts they have in japan and korea
 
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Ornery
Fasten your seatbelts for some politically incorrect news: You are most likely to survive a motor vehicle accident if the vehicle you are in is big.
  • Size and weight equals better occupant protection - it is basic physics - and a big reason for the ongoing popularity of SUVs. You (and your family) stand a much better chance of surviving a major crash in a 4,500-lb. mid-size SUV than in a 2,400-lb. subcompact, especially in a head-on collision.
Suit yourself!
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OK, so let me get this straight. Because a lot of Americans are wasteful and buy large SUVs to they "think" that they are cool, I should buy one too so that IF we get into a wreck I'll come out OK?

Basically, everyone else is doing it so why shouldn't I????
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Exactly. His entire argument is that one might get hit by a 3 ton behemoth so you should own a 3 ton behemoth too. To be safe of course... :roll:

You want to be safe? The first safety improvement any driver should make is proper driver education. But Americans fail here as well... stupidly believing that strictly following an arbitrary speed number is the only key to safety. To most American drivers, actually knowing how to drive is considered to be "unsafe," because it involves actually practicing (in safe controlled conditions) those dangerous manuvers and techniques that could later save your life on the road. In other words, being prepared for the possible worst. To Americans, this is "unsafe." It is this ignorant attitude and lack of education why American roads are among the most dangerous in the world.
Ornery's Crown Vic is one of the worst handling cars on the road. If something jumped in front of his path (or he jumped into something else's path), his car needs to be big and heavy, because he is going to hit it no ifs ands or buts. Not that he wouldn't just freeze up and hit it anyway.
 
Can you name the car with four-wheel-drive?
Smells like a steak and seats thirty-five!
Canyonero! Canyonero!
Well, it goes real slow with the hammer down.
It?s a country-fried truck endorsed by a clown.
Canyonero! Canyonero!
Twelve yards long and two lanes wide,
Sixty-five tons of American pride!
Canyonero! Canyonero!
Top of the line in utility sports!
Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts.
Canyonero! Canyonero!
She blinds everybody with her super-high beam.
She a squirrel-squishin?, deer-smackin? drivin? machine!
Canyonero! Canyonero!

 
Thanks NFS for mentioning Scion.


That's basically what we're talking about.

Just wait 'til the Germans get involved. We'll be driving 2 passenger cars again!!!! 😀

The newer small cars are getting pretty dang cool.

I also agree w/ whoever mentioned the bit about cars rotating size giving way to the introduction of new vehicles. Sure the Camry is a bohemoth compared to its first version, but so is the Corolla now. The Echo didn't exist 10yrs ago.

They all grow up.

I, for one, love having all sizes of vehicle. My F-150 pickup. My Camry for everything and my Corolla for runnin' high MPG errands.

In fact, the "fun" factor is a 10 to me in each of my vehicles and all for different reasons!!


If I could, I'd buy a new '06 Kia Rio too. That's the next car on my list!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
They all grow up.

Why?

My family will NEVER risk their lives in a tiny econobox. The fuel savings just aren't worth it, but of course, suit yourself!

BTW, motorcycles are FAR more maneuverable than most cars, therefore the safest vehicles out there by your logic!
 
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