Japan, what's wrong with you?

[MinorityReport]

Originally posted by: X-Man
"Also its due to Ruskis that WWII was won in Europe."

. . . with American guns and ammunition.

No with brute ruski strength, endurance, sacrifice and millions of barrel of raw staunch vodka.


Also those dissing the French always migth want to refresh their history knowledge a little bit .. and tell me why the Battle of Tours or Pointers led by Charles Martel ( the hammer ) was the most importnat one in the history of western civilization, as far as christianity is concerened ?

If it wasn't for that brave Frenchman, you and I would be speaking arabic now and washing the dishes of our Arab masters. And kneeling down to Mecca five times every day.

Some poeple here choose to live in a self pleasing troll house.

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: X-Man
"Also its due to Ruskis that WWII was won in Europe."

. . . with American guns and ammunition.

Not really. Sure you helped them, but the Soviet war-production was FAR bigger than number of equipment they got from Lend-Lease. Yes L-L did help, but to say that Soviets were succesfull solely because of L-L is just an sad attempt to rob them from their accomplishments during WW2.

 

[TheShiz]

sadly it is not a trend that is just in Japan. Its not like the U.S. goes around talking about the slaughter of millions of Indians. Or takes responsibility and teaches about other atrocities. East Timor is a good example. Most countries seem to have selective memory. That is why it is very important that you get news and history from multiple sources.

Tim

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Sid59
1. America never apologizes for anything. Giving away money and not apologizing does not make it ok.

2. US History books are so white washed, it's unbelievable.

3. US celebrates Thanksgiving.

4. It shocks me that the US sent many soldiers to Vietnam without officially waging war. It shocks me that they don't give kick downs to certain vets. I'm very sure the soldiers never had their way with the vietnamese women either. Again, when Spain colonized most of the new world, they did NOT go with a bible in there hand. They tried to assimilate everybody.

thanks for your time.

1. american leaders will at least acknowledge that certain decisions made by the governent were wrong.

2. maybe you just had a bad history teacher

3. do you even know what thanksgiving celebrates? it's not to celebrate any killings, lol

4. i'm sorry, but that is no where near as bad as what japan did. go read up on it if you don't know. i seriously doubt the u.s. has established military units commissioned specifically to kidnap civilians and perform "experiments" on them. this is not some renegade operation... this was the japanese government giving their stamp of approval on these war crimes. no different than what the nazis did.

there is no way you can say what america has done is equitable to what japan has, unless you want to also say that what america has done is equitable to what the nazis have.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: X-Man
"Also its due to Ruskis that WWII was won in Europe."

. . . with American guns and ammunition.

Not really. Sure you helped them, but the Soviet war-production was FAR bigger than number of equipment they got from Lend-Lease. Yes L-L did help, but to say that Soviets were succesfull solely because of L-L is just an sad attempt to rob them from their accomplishments during WW2.

Pretty much yeah.

I know a guy who knew a guy who was a Private (I guess) on a machine gun for the Germans on the east front. He said that there were so many Soviets coming at him that his machine gun over heated to the point of the barrel glowing and the bullets spitting out and dropping 15 feet away. He mowed down the Soviets, but they kept coming closer and closer with sickles, shovels, pitchforks, etc...

He said the German army told him they'd execute him if he deserted his gun, but considering his options, he ran.

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Sid59
1. America never apologizes for anything. Giving away money and not apologizing does not make it ok.

2. US History books are so white washed, it's unbelievable.

3. US celebrates Thanksgiving.

4. It shocks me that the US sent many soldiers to Vietnam without officially waging war. It shocks me that they don't give kick downs to certain vets. I'm very sure the soldiers never had their way with the vietnamese women either. Again, when Spain colonized most of the new world, they did NOT go with a bible in there hand. They tried to assimilate everybody.

thanks for your time.

1. american leaders will at least acknowledge that certain decisions made by the governent were wrong.

2. maybe you just had a bad history teacher

3. do you even know what thanksgiving celebrates? it's not to celebrate any killings, lol

4. i'm sorry, but that is no where near as bad as what japan did. go read up on it if you don't know. i seriously doubt the u.s. has established military units commissioned specifically to kidnap civilians and perform "experiments" on them. this is not some renegade operation... this was the japanese government giving their stamp of approval on these war crimes. no different than what the nazis did.

there is no way you can say what america has done is equitable to what japan has, unless you want to also say that what america has done is equitable to what the nazis have.

off course these things are in noway equitable (I hope this word means what I think it does),but dont dismiss everything. What the government did with its soldiesr in the 40's and 50's when testing nukes would in no way be accapteble nowadays either

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Sid59
1. America never apologizes for anything. Giving away money and not apologizing does not make it ok.

2. US History books are so white washed, it's unbelievable.

3. US celebrates Thanksgiving.

4. It shocks me that the US sent many soldiers to Vietnam without officially waging war. It shocks me that they don't give kick downs to certain vets. I'm very sure the soldiers never had their way with the vietnamese women either. Again, when Spain colonized most of the new world, they did NOT go with a bible in there hand. They tried to assimilate everybody.

thanks for your time.

1. american leaders will at least acknowledge that certain decisions made by the governent were wrong.

2. maybe you just had a bad history teacher

3. do you even know what thanksgiving celebrates? it's not to celebrate any killings, lol

4. i'm sorry, but that is no where near as bad as what japan did. go read up on it if you don't know. i seriously doubt the u.s. has established military units commissioned specifically to kidnap civilians and perform "experiments" on them. this is not some renegade operation... this was the japanese government giving their stamp of approval on these war crimes. no different than what the nazis did.

there is no way you can say what america has done is equitable to what japan has, unless you want to also say that what america has done is equitable to what the nazis have.

1. This is true.

2. Our history books are a joke.....

3. Yes, but the picture it gives is totally wrong. Do you really think the settlers sat down and had pumpkin pie with the Natives?

4. I agree, but he was just pointing out that we're no angels.

 

[Desslok]

Originally posted by: Sid59
1. America never apologizes for anything. Giving away money and not apologizing does not make it ok. 2. US History books are so white washed, it's unbelievable. 3. US celebrates Thanksgiving. 4. It shocks me that the US sent many soldiers to Vietnam without officially waging war. It shocks me that they don't give kick downs to certain vets. I'm very sure the soldiers never had their way with the vietnamese women either. Again, when Spain colonized most of the new world, they did NOT go with a bible in there hand. They tried to assimilate everybody. thanks for your time.

Wow how far do you have your head stuck up your as$ Sid?

America apologized for interning Japanese civilians during WWII, We aplogized for the "medical experiments" the govt performed on black people, and finally we apologized for actidentlly bombing a bunker full of Iraqi women and childern when we thought Saddam was there.

 

[Omegachi]

they have too much pride in them, just can't admit they are wrong.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: X-Man
"Also its due to Ruskis that WWII was won in Europe."

. . . with American guns and ammunition.

The German military was far superior to what the Allies had at that time. If Hitler hadn't attacked Russia, and Russia had stayed out of the war, he would have had all his forces in Western Europe, and England would probably have been overrun. Don't underestimate the importance of the Russian tactics of scorched earth guerilla wars. True, they had too little weaponry at first, but once the war machine was fully in motion, especially with reinforcement materials from the West, they gave Hitler hell. Hitler wanted Russia so he would have a direct supply line between Japan and Germany, unfortunately (for Hitler that is) the Russians didn't quite agree with that idea.

I wonder what would have happened if Russia would have stayed out of it and England would have been overrun. It would have been Germany + Japan + Italy against the USA.

 

[Mucho]

Has America ever apologize for the My Lai Massacre, come to think of it did anyone spend a single day in jail for it?

 

[B00ne]

whats the mylai masscre?

btw is it true that japan did not have to pay reparation? - We did, alot - actually still paying

 

[Sid59]

Originally posted by: Desslok

Originally posted by: Sid59
1. America never apologizes for anything. Giving away money and not apologizing does not make it ok. 2. US History books are so white washed, it's unbelievable. 3. US celebrates Thanksgiving. 4. It shocks me that the US sent many soldiers to Vietnam without officially waging war. It shocks me that they don't give kick downs to certain vets. I'm very sure the soldiers never had their way with the vietnamese women either. Again, when Spain colonized most of the new world, they did NOT go with a bible in there hand. They tried to assimilate everybody. thanks for your time.

Wow how far do you have your head stuck up your as$ Sid?

America apologized for interning Japanese civilians during WWII, We aplogized for the "medical experiments" the govt performed on black people, and finally we apologized for actidentlly bombing a bunker full of Iraqi women and childern when we thought Saddam was there.

How about they stick it in the history books, so the kids will read about it at the end of the chapter? From what i read, i've heard them admit some mistakes but no where near a SINCERE apology.

Do you also think saying 'i'm sorry' is enough for the tuskgee african-americans who were infested with syphillis? The bunker full of Iraqi women, they did not say it was a routine bombing?

Again, the post is probablly a person who just got through getting a very slanted history lesson. Let's compare the actions of the US versus the rest of the world.

 

[Sid59]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Sid59
1. America never apologizes for anything. Giving away money and not apologizing does not make it ok.

2. US History books are so white washed, it's unbelievable.

3. US celebrates Thanksgiving.

4. It shocks me that the US sent many soldiers to Vietnam without officially waging war. It shocks me that they don't give kick downs to certain vets. I'm very sure the soldiers never had their way with the vietnamese women either. Again, when Spain colonized most of the new world, they did NOT go with a bible in there hand. They tried to assimilate everybody.

thanks for your time.

1. american leaders will at least acknowledge that certain decisions made by the governent were wrong.

2. maybe you just had a bad history teacher

3. do you even know what thanksgiving celebrates? it's not to celebrate any killings, lol

4. i'm sorry, but that is no where near as bad as what japan did. go read up on it if you don't know. i seriously doubt the u.s. has established military units commissioned specifically to kidnap civilians and perform "experiments" on them. this is not some renegade operation... this was the japanese government giving their stamp of approval on these war crimes. no different than what the nazis did.

there is no way you can say what america has done is equitable to what japan has, unless you want to also say that what america has done is equitable to what the nazis have.

1. True. But my example is showing that Japan is not as evil as the inital post makes it out to be.

2. A very good history teacher. It's too bad the state decides what is being taught in the school.

3. Thanksgiving celebrates the welcoming of english by the native americans. But what happened after that?

 

[Maverick]

you should see what the history books in Pakistan say. They say that Persia, the middle east, and India were all in the dark ages before the coming of Mohammed.

The victors write the history...every country does it in their own way so there's no point getting pissed off about it. I just saw something on Discovery channel yesterday about how Wyatt Earp wasn't really that great of a guy.

 

[majewski9]

Well China did suffer tremendous civilian casualities 10 million. Pretty much everyone in the world had a part in the 2nd world war. 50 million people died more than any other war several times over. I dont think that there should have ever been a world war II but the world was in economic peril and the only way to get out of it was a massive war. Today we have the same situation. Bush II is facing bad economic times. Attacking Iraq might help the US economy get back on track. Do we need to attack Iraq? No!

The victorious allies would like to think that they were on the side of good, but it just isnt so! France gave out names of Jewish families to the Germans. Britain helped Hitlers ascension to German chancellor. The US imprisoned thousands of Japanese in camps where many died. Soviets trained dogs equipped with TNT to run into German tanks.

So I dont think anyones hands were clean back then.....they certainly arent now either.

 

[SlowSS]

There are many asian countries and pacific islanders still harbor hatred toward Japan

for their atrocities during WWII. Some of the horror stories from Guamanians, Koreans,

and Philiphinos of what Japanese did to them and their families are incredibly brutal and inhumane.

Also, don't forget about The infamous Bataan Death March, and

the much less well-known Sandakan Death March,

along with Chemical and Biological Experiments on POWs.

Which could be argued to be the most horrifying example of man?s

inhumanity to man during World War II. It was Josef Mengele writ on an immense scale.

Unit 731 was set up to research, develop, test and produce biological weapons.

From this original ?mandate? they branched out into chemical (chlorine, mustard gas, etc.)

and environmental (temperature extremes, exposure, etc.) experiments.

 

[Toasthead]

I blame Godzilla.

-Toast

 

[s2kpacifist]

Originally posted by: Mucho
Has America ever apologize for the My Lai Massacre, come to think of it did anyone spend a single day in jail for it?

Yes. In fact, one of the commanding officers has went to jail for life.

 

[Mucho]

Actually Lt Calley paroled, after serving only three and a half years.

 

[gopunk]

off course these things are in noway equitable (I hope this word means what I think it does),but dont dismiss everything. What the government did with its soldiesr in the 40's and 50's when testing nukes would in no way be accapteble nowadays either

of course, i'm not saying we should dismiss anything... but what i am saying is we should not let america's shortcomings obscure the completely inhuman, amoral behavior exhibited by japan in WWII. and that's putting it nicely... i can't think of a word that accurately describes how horrible a person must be to approve such actions.

 

[gopunk]

1. True. But my example is showing that Japan is not as evil as the inital post makes it out to be.

there is nothing but the truth in the initial post...

2. A very good history teacher. It's too bad the state decides what is being taught in the school.

*shrug* i had a howard zinn book as one of my textbooks.

3. Thanksgiving celebrates the welcoming of english by the native americans. But what happened after that?

right, but celebrating thanksgiving is drastically different than honoring war criminals and saying things like "we owe everything to the 'sacrifices' these people made" like japan's prime minister has. can you imagine the uproar it would cause if germany's leader said that about the nazi party?

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: Shaftatplanetquake
Hrmmm... Never hear enough about Mongolia nowadays. If they were so important back in the day and kicked everyone's asses- why is it that we hear more sh!t out of some little piece of crap country like Canada than we do out of the once mighty Mongolia?

Why? Cause Canada's got a TANK!!!

LOL!

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77
Not really. Sure you helped them, but the Soviet war-production was FAR bigger than number of equipment they got from Lend-Lease. Yes L-L did help, but to say that Soviets were succesfull solely because of L-L is just an sad attempt to rob them from their accomplishments during WW2.

That's true, Russia did produce most of their own weapons, but L-L was there when it really counted, at the start. Russia would not have survived long enough to build their own weapons if it hadn't been for L-L.

Hopper

 

[gopunk]

Again, the post is probablly a person who just got through getting a very slanted history lesson. Let's compare the actions of the US versus the rest of the world.

the united states has never committed any atrocity as bad as what the japanese did.

the united states has never:

set up bases in urban populations that would kidnap civilians, and perform experiments including vivisection.... cut these people open WHILE THEY ARE ALIVE with no anesthetic. this was often done to PREGNANT women... they would be sliced open, the baby yanked out and smashed. all while they're conscious. the next time you see a pregnant woman walking down the street, i want you to picture some japanese soldier running up, sticking his bayonet into her belly, reaching in and grabbing the fetus, and just ripping it out of her.

the united states has never set up operations to kidnap women and force them into being human sperm spittoons. japan would often do this with nurses from hospitals....


i challenge you to find any atocity the united states has committed that is as bad and on as wide a scale as what the japanese and germans did. there simply is no u.s. equivalent to the holocaust. the US is not anywhere close to perfect, but compared to what the japanese and germans did, they're saints.