Jahi McMath - just let her (body) die already.

[zinfamous]

from CNN comments;





anyone got a legit source?

well, the earlier article you linked had supposed comments from her family that they were talking with her and she was asking for a popsicle. ....obviously they gave her a popsicle. That will tear your sutures out in one second.

the other thing about that link, it only has a lawyer saying "things are looking better."

that doesn't mean shit, particularly when they are trying to keep everything as secret as possible.

Now, in the news last week, after every legitimate hospital rejected them, it was reported that one voodoo clinic offered to host her corpse. It was named, but I forget the name. That new info, they are trying to stay anonymous, but dollars to donuts it's the same one that was mentioned last week.

EDIT: OK, it doesn't specifically say that this was a request to her family--but that she was awake and alert, chatting to doctors, and that she even requested a popsicle. It doesn't say from whom.

 

[Ns1]

well, the earlier article you linked had supposed comments from her family that they were talking with her and she was asking for a popsicle. ....obviously they gave her a popsicle. That will tear your sutures out in one second.
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EDIT: OK, it doesn't specifically say that this was a request to her family--but that she was awake and alert, chatting to doctors, and that she even requested a popsicle. It doesn't say from whom.

You're right. At the very least she had a popsicle.

The tragic facts surrounding 13 year-old Jahi McMath are now well known. She underwent routine surgery at Children’s Hospital Oakland December 9 for removal of her tonsils and some other tissue to alleviate her sleep apnea. After surgery she was alert and sitting up in bed, chatting with her family. However, as her family watched, Jahi began bleeding profusely, the blood on her gown matching the pink popsicle she held in her hand. The bleeding went on for several hours before she went into cardiac arrest and was medically declared brain dead on December 12.

Read more: Remember the Humanity of Jahi McMath | TIME.com http://ideas.time.com/2014/01/07/remember-the-humanity-of-jahi-mcmath/#ixzz2pxEcdGFD

 

[umbrella39]

If they're paying for the treatment, and it sounds like they are, then the facility can afford the extra staffing/shifts/overtime/whatever

the availability of nurses is elastic, and if the facility doesn't have enough to cover what is going on, they have no one to blame but themselves.

Sadly bed control and staffing are always issues especially this time of year but that's a different story for a different day.

That's the problem with being in the service industry.

Look at it this way though, you get paid either way, so you need to stop thinking you are doing anything other than just exchanging your services for someone's money. On top of that, while you aren't helping the patient, you are helping the family cope, and again, still getting paid.

Many of the people I work alongside involved in direct patient care came from waiting tables and I don't think you will ever hear one of us disagree with what you just stated. Health care is exactly like waiting tables without the tips.

The problem with an ICU bed, especially a pediatric ICU bed, is that there are several unfortunate kids who are waiting for that ICU bed that will never get it. We have to consider them and their families, too. There is nothing worse than being perpetually on deck waiting for an ICU bed to clear up as your own child continues to get sicker and sicker.

The level of attention and care you receive on the floors as opposed to in an ICU setting is a difference measured in light years. Our floor nurses can have up to 8 pt each. Our ICU nurses, if they have a vented patient, are 1 to 1 or at the most 1 other non vented patient. There is always an intensivist (and a few residents) in each of our ICUs and each patient in that ICU is theirs... Good luck finding a doctor on the floors and even if you do it is never their patient. Always someone else's. If someone thing goes wrong with a floor patient you have to wait for the hospitalist to respond to their page and get up there.

I could go on and on but I am hoping you see that there is more to it than meets the eye and precisely why we have ethics committees at hospitals. This happens more often than people think or at least hear about on the news. Chaldeans come to mind... They are end of life bonkers...

 

[zinfamous]

You're right. At the very least she had a popsicle.

well, shit....who gave her the popsicle, then?

popsiclegate, 2013

EDIT: and holy crap--what a ridiculous article! I would like to know where they got the details of the pink popsicle, though...

ohfuckinglol--it's a bon-a-fide Terry Shiavo stooge writing this oped.

what a tool.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

and a pissed off Dr. Drew chimes in on this situation. Warning it has far too many people speaking on the panel.

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/01/10/hln-drew-jahi-mcmath-brain-dead-panel.hln.html

 

[McLovin]

Dr. Drew is right on and I'm sure he probably was more pissed at all of the panelists trying to talk over one another, I know I would be.

I will put money on the odds that the family cannot afford the $10k a day bill to keep this child "alive" and if others are so eager to contribute to sustaining this one child's life, why are they not so eager to use that money else where?

Religion is a great way to show someone how to live their lives and to how to be a good person, but when you start going down the path that you believe something magical is going to happen and she is just going to wake up, I feel like is a disservice to the rest of us.

 

[Fenixgoon]

and a pissed off Dr. Drew chimes in on this situation. Warning it has far too many people speaking on the panel.

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/01/10/hln-drew-jahi-mcmath-brain-dead-panel.hln.html

damn, that dude is pissed off. and rightfully so. really, it is a tragic situation all around

 

[Brainonska511]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27818041

"Jahi should be graduating from the eighth grade this month but it may not be possible for her to make it to the ceremony, as she is fighting to recover.
"She deserves to receive the graduation certificate as she has completed most of the eighth grade work."

Apparently, she is going to get an honorary diploma

I feel sorry for the family, but the girl is brain dead. There is no chance of that ever getting better and they really need to let go.

I also hate how these articles describe this girl's surgery as "routine". There was nothing routine about the surgeries she underwent.

http://sleepdisorders.about.com/b/2013/12/31/jahi-mcmath-died-and-what-followed-has-been-tragic.htm

There is a paucity of known facts in this situation. The family and their lawyer have released few specific details. Oakland Children’s Hospital, bound by the privacy restrictions of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA), has offered even less. Jahi underwent three surgical procedures for the treatment of her sleep apnea. This included a tonsillectomy, uvulopalatopharyngoplasty (UPPP), and removal of nasal turbinates. Though initially described as a “routine tonsillectomy,” this degree of surgery in children is not routine. It is extensive. When performed on a child, the risk is high.

 

[nehalem256]

"Jahi should be graduating from the eighth grade this month but it may not be possible for her to make it to the ceremony, as she is fighting to recover.

Well that might be a bit of an understatement...

"She deserves to receive the graduation certificate as she has completed most of the eighth grade work."

Since when do you complete most of the work for a grade by December?

 

[Slew Foot]

to be fair, the requirements for graduating eighth grade largely includes drooling into a cup.

 

[nehalem256]

I think this is taking NO child left behind a little too far

 

[realibrad]

I think this is taking NO child left behind a little too far

Oh man. I smiled but...I think I see why so many dont like you.

 

[Genx87]

Who is paying for a dead person's body to remain alive? There is no coming back from brain dead.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Who is paying for a dead person's body to remain alive? There is no coming back from brain dead.

Certainly not State or private insurance. We all know businesses aren't going to pay for a person declared dead.
The diploma is more of an honorary thing its fine by me.

 

[Thebobo]

WTF happened that minor surgery turned into a dead teenager? Medical malpractice? Adverse reaction to anesthesia? A one in a quadzillion coincidence?

Good lord what hospital is that.

 

[Jaskalas]

They are still acting like she is alive? I don't want to imagine what condition that corpse is in after so long.

 

[TerryMathews]

They are still acting like she is alive? I don't want to imagine what condition that corpse is in after so long.

Its not a corpse, its not decomposing.

ETA: the brain might be.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Wow look at the Facebook page. I really feel for this family and I do feel Dr. Drew was correct the resources and effort being spent should be spent on someone who has a chance of benefiting from treatment.
The woman's post about looking forward to seeing the TV interview, wow

https://www.facebook.com/keepJahiMcmathonlifesupport

 

[Ns1]

Wow look at the Facebook page. I really feel for this family and I do feel Dr. Drew was correct the resources and effort being spent should be spent on someone who has a chance of benefiting from treatment.
The woman's post about looking forward to seeing the TV interview, wow

https://www.facebook.com/keepJahiMcmathonlifesupport

wow.

 

[shira]

Wow look at the Facebook page. I really feel for this family and I do feel Dr. Drew was correct the resources and effort being spent should be spent on someone who has a chance of benefiting from treatment.
The woman's post about looking forward to seeing the TV interview, wow

https://www.facebook.com/keepJahiMcmathonlifesupport

If I were Nehalem, I'd be posting that the family needs to find a gangsta to impregnate Jahi, since most black girls her age are having babies, and we don't want to deny her any valuable life experience while she's "recovering."

But seriously, this spectacle is a disgusting waste of money. We shouldn't be coddling wildly uninformed people to spare them from having to cope with the tragedies of real life.

 

[Harabec]

Maybe they will pave the way to a new legal state of life - Zombie. No brain, but SHE'S ALIVE.

 

[drebo]

Unfortunately the medical industry benefits greatly from her being on life support, so they'll never take her off. And if the parents don't want to, me and you's gonna pay fo' dat bitch.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Good lord what hospital is that.

IIRC someone posted that, while incredibly rare, complications such as this are possible. the procedure is NOT trivial.

Unfortunately the medical industry benefits greatly from her being on life support, so they'll never take her off. And if the parents don't want to, me and you's gonna pay fo' dat bitch.

profiting in the sense that bills get paid? sure. but to say that this is the goal or objective of the medical industry - to keep people on life support as long as possible? i'd have to disagree there.

 

[tynopik]

1 year update:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/jahi-mcmaths-mom-daughter-brain-dead/story?id=27570953

 

[Brainonska511]

1 year update:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/jahi-mcmaths-mom-daughter-brain-dead/story?id=27570953

1 year update: still dead.