Ivybridge should match LLano in graphics

[OCGuy]

Isn't this thread titled "Ivy bridge to match llano graphics", yet people are doing victory laps over SB v Llano graphics?

They are both dismal anyway.

 

[Topweasel]

Phynaz coming at Intel s rescue...

Who else would have picked the only game out of 7
that has low-ish fps as an evidence of Llano not giving
enough frame rates ??..

Btw, is CIV5 a game not very playable at low fps ??..

Its kind of funny too because CiV is just a horrible game to base frame-rates, besides the fact that 7 FPS is playable on it. If you read [H]'s playable rate video card tests, CiV actually runs higher for the most part but every couple of seconds (probably when its doing the computer moves) it halts to 0 FPS. So if a video card is averaging a very playable 25 FPS when its not halting compared to a video card pulling 50-60 of course ones going to look unplayable at 7 FPS and the other at 30 FPS during a benchmark session.

 

[Phynaz]

Selling cheap in a short term for a new product and users will gain brand confidence in a long term

I've never heard of this. I really don't know how cheap builds a brand.

The problem with selling cheap is you set your price. Let me give you a couple of examples.

There is a local restaurant that once a month publishes a 25% off coupon. The idea of course is to get new customers. Of course for those of us that go there regularly, we know to just wait for the coupon to come out. The price has been set.

Another example was when a friend of mine set me up with a consulting gig. I quoted $75/hr for the first part of the engagement, figuring I'd hook them in and then raise the price. My friend crossed out the price and made it the normal $150. He pointed out that I was "cheapening" myself.

As a final example I tried to get Michael Buffer ("Let's get ready to rumble") to do a one liner for a friends wedding. The quote was in the low five figures and his manager wouldn't budge on the price. It's because if he gives me a lower price, then his big customers also would want a lower price. The value of his brand is set by how much he charges for it.

Also, look here in the video forum when card prices go up. Want a whole bunch of pissed off customers? Start raising prices on them.

 

[Lonbjerg]

I wonder what sort of laptop you'd want for gaming? One that lasts 30 minutes unless plugged into a wall?

I don't game at an laptop, jus as I don't encode on my phone.

Gaming laptop...two words combiend that dosn't make sense.
And neither of these solutions produce what i would call playable....try a little less harder. :thumbsdown:

 

[Vesku]

I think there is quite an under-served demand for better IGP. It's just that consumers aren't especially picky in the low-end <$600 market. I went to play some League of Legends on my Core 2 laptop and the experience was quite underwhelming compared to the desktop with even a low-end dedicated card.

 

[dma0991]

I've never heard of this. I really don't know how cheap builds a brand.

The problem with selling cheap is you set your price. Let me give you a couple of examples.

So your idea of selling is to set the initial price high and lower it as time goes by to give an impression that the product is getting cheaper.

I'm sure there will be many AMD users who would be pissed as well if they saw a brand they look forward to having the lowest price suddenly have a high price. Though I might agree that AMD should raise the price a little bit but at least its affordable. I can't or would not pay $999 for a chip.

I'm sure AMD knows how much they want to charge for their CPUs and nothing that me or you can say to change the possibility that their decision is good or bad.

 

[jimbo75]

I don't game at an laptop, jus as I don't encode on my phone.

Gaming laptop...two words combiend that dosn't make sense.
And neither of these solutions produce what i would call playable....try a little less harder. :thumbsdown:

Hey guess what, you aren't the target market. Therefore your comments on the chip are meaningless.

 

[jimbo75]

So your idea of selling is to set the initial price high and lower it as time goes by to give an impression that the product is getting cheaper.

I'm sure there will be many AMD users who would be pissed as well if they saw a brand they look forward to having the lowest price suddenly have a high price. Though I might agree that AMD should raise the price a little bit but at least its affordable. I can't or would not pay $999 for a chip.

I'm sure AMD knows how much they want to charge for their CPUs and nothing that me or you can say to change the possibility that their decision is good or bad.

Phynaz is basically talking nonsense again. Remember how high and how long the 5870 kept its price tag? But even for that, people know AMD is cheaper and better than Nvidia these days. The same will happen vs intel.

 

[Phynaz]

Remember how high and how long the 5870 kept its price tag?

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Hey guess what, you aren't the target market. Therefore your comments on the chip are meaningless.

The target market i being drummed and and put on EPO by fanboys right now.

It's a niche product...just like most thing AMD has to offer.

The holes Intel cannot see a big profit margin in.

 

[jimbo75]

Thank you for proving my point.

That didn't prove any of your points.

The point is, what do you think when you hear "Radeon graphics" these days? It sure isn't "cheap". It doesn't happen overnight, AMD needed to sell the 4870 as a middle product to win back the market and mind share while Nvidia was charging $200 more for slower cards. Now it's Nvidia who is known for overpriced and underperforming graphics. What do you think BD is meant to do?

 

[jimbo75]

The target market i being drummed and and put on EPO by fanboys right now.

It's a niche product...just like most thing AMD has to offer.

The holes Intel cannot see a big profit margin in.

Yeah...how many people need 8 threads in a laptop exactly? A lot less than people who game on a laptop and that's for certain. In fact, make that 4 threads.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Yeah...how many people need 8 threads in a laptop exactly? A lot less than people who game on a laptop and that's for certain. In fact, make that 4 threads.

So now it's not about "gaming"?

Keep moving the goalposts...AMD75.

You, stop calling people names.

-ViRGE

 

[jimbo75]

So now it's not about "gaming"?

Keep moving the goalposts...AMD75.

No I was merely pointing out that your "niche product" point was laughable considering what most people need in a laptop.

Do you think the majority of people would make use of the extra graphics horsepower or the extra cpu horsepower?

Even if you are daft enough to believe it's the latter, would you pay an extra $200 for it? If so, you probably own a Mac, and probably an ipad too.

The same goes to you: stop baiting people and attacking them.

-ViRGE

 

[Lonbjerg]

No I was merely pointing out that your "niche product" point was laughable considering what most people need in a laptop.

Do you think the majority of people would make use of the extra graphics horsepower or the extra cpu horsepower?

Even if you are daft enough to believe it's the latter, would you pay an extra $200 for it? If so, you probably own a Mac, and probably an ipad too.

Can you use more fallaices.
The majority of people buying a laptop dosn't give a rats arse about "gaming".
And if we are talking CPU power...Intel has the crown there sorry, but you fanatsy world is nothing more than...fantasy.

And if you think I own anything Crapple, you make me laugh.

 

[jimbo75]

Can you use more fallaices.
The majority of people buying a laptop dosn't give a rats arse about "gaming".
And if we are talking CPU power...Intel has the crown there sorry, but you fanatsy world is nothing more than...fantasy.

And if you think I own anything Crapple, you make me laugh.

The majority of people buying a laptop don't give a rats arse about single threaded performance either. If you think most of the laptop buying market would even notice a difference between the slowest dual and the fastest quad then that says it all.

 

[Abwx]

http://wccftech.com/2011/05/24/hp-notebook-featuring-amd-a63410mx-apu-exposed/

dual gfx = 800sp....

 

[Phynaz]

http://wccftech.com/2011/05/24/hp-notebook-featuring-amd-a63410mx-apu-exposed/

dual gfx = 800sp....

Does AMD support notebook Crossfire between the on-die GPU and an add-in card?

I'm only aware of Optimus type switching.

 

[jimbo75]

Does AMD support notebook Crossfire between the on-die GPU and an add-in card?

Yes of course. BTW, that 2nd card in crossfire idles at 0 watts, so it's not drawing any power unless gaming.

I have never owned a laptop in my life, always had 1-2 desktops but for the first time ever I'd actually consider one for lighter gaming. Think about the millions of people playing WoW, or counterstrike or even Call of Duty - a laptop with crossfire 5550 performance is more than good enough for all of those games at good settings.

 

[Phynaz]

Have any links to that? I'd love to read up on it.

Edit:

Found an interview - http://www.rage3d.com/articles/amd_powerxpress4_asif_rehman_interview/

Interview says Fusion graphics are switchable, not Crossfire. Interview is from September though, so who knows. Really, really wish Anand would get a review out.

 

[Arkadrel]

Does AMD support notebook Crossfire between the on-die GPU and an add-in card?

I'm only aware of Optimus type switching.

Yes Hybrid crossfire should work on Notebooks.

Also AMD has a version of optimus, they just call it PowerExpress 4.0 or BACO (bus active, chip off).

The Hybrid crossfire will probably mean the Llano GPU will get another 60%-70% performance.

If the Llano 400sp version is like a ~5570, then adding 60-70% ontop of that, is bound to make them popular.

 

[Abwx]

Does AMD support notebook Crossfire between the on-die GPU and an add-in card?

I'm only aware of Optimus type switching.

I really dont know, but it would be a waste if ever
no CF is possible since that would allow to get rid
of the IGP starved bandwith limitations.

Hope that they have updated their Optimus capabilities
to make it REALLY optimal....