Ivy E will handily beat Haswell in 2013.

[tweakboy]

I now see Haswell isnt a step forward in number of threads. Its the same crapola and intel can say tick tock all they want. 2013 4 core 8 threads is the most. 2014 who knows, maybe a Haswell 6 core 12 thread.


I truly believe Intel enthusiast guy say something if Im wrong but a Ivy E which will come out Q3 2013 will slap the **** out of any Haswell because it has 4 more threads...

Look guys Intel has no pressure on them. AMD is falling apart before our very own eyes and soon they will be out of the desktop market. They will focus on business and ARM CPU for tablets phones and PCs etc.

So Intel has no heat coming their way.

Did you know the Ivy E chip will really be 10 core and 20 threads. Intel locked 4 of the cores because they saw their already kicking amds ass why do that now. They will do it later on after they get some money off the 8 thread models. I'm guessing 10 core 20 thread Haswells or Ivy Bridge E chips by end of 2014 beginning of 2015, once again Intel enthusiast guy tell me if Im wrong just a guess.

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[Puppies04]

How many times tweakboy?

If you game and surf the internet and do many many other things apart from a very few specific tasks you don't need more than 4 cores (for most people a dual with HT is more than adequate). I would rather have a 4c8t haswell chip over a 6c12t Ivy E any day of the week because most of what I do (and most of what other people do) would benefit from the improved IPC on a lesser number of cores.

SB-E and IB-E are bastardised sever chips and only show their worth in server like programs and workloads which have nothing to do with what 99% of pc owners want their machines to do.

So what exactly do you feel you need "moar coars" for? You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time banging on about them but are using a soon to be 6 year old quad.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Oh he is back? :/

 

[SunnyD]

/facepalm

Do you have any clue whatsoever about what you're spewing off about?

First and foremost, you're discussing two completely different platforms for two completely different market segments which have very VERY little to do with each other. The consumer market absolutely doesn't NEED more threads at this time. It hasn't needed more than about 4 threads for the last 10 years, and probably won't need more than about 4 threads for another 5 years coming. The server/workstation market on the other hand lives by thread count (so does bedding for that matter, but that's another story).

Stop pretending to have a clue.

 

[tweakboy]

How many times tweakboy?

If you game and surf the internet and do many many other things apart from a very few specific tasks you don't need more than 4 cores (for most people a dual with HT is more than adequate). I would rather have a 4c8t haswell chip over a 6c12t Ivy E any day of the week because most of what I do (and most of what other people do) would benefit from the improved IPC on a lesser number of cores.

SB-E and IB-E are bastardised sever chips and only show their worth in server like programs and workloads which have nothing to do with what 99% of pc owners want their machines to do.

So what exactly do you feel you need "moar coars" for? You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time banging on about them but are using a soon to be 6 year old quad.

My friend I need more cores because I do DAW. I use Sonar X2 Producer ...... and like video editing, the more cores the better. I do this as a living and right now my quad cant handle jack.. which has thrown me back with a few projects. Anyhow.. thats why I need 12 threads.... It will help me open more VSTs DXIs and plugins. gl

 

[Puppies04]

My friend I need more cores because I do DAW. I use Sonar X2 Producer ...... and like video editing, the more cores the better. I do this as a living and right now my quad cant handle jack.. which has thrown me back with a few projects. Anyhow.. thats why I need 12 threads.... It will help me open more VSTs DXIs and plugins. gl

So buy a IB quad then, now that is an example of something that will "slap the **** out of your current setup" Hell if you want even more computing power build 2 IB quad setups. It will cost you about the same as a hex 2011 chip rig and you will have 8 cores instead of 6, and 16 threads instead of 12.

 

[SunnyD]

My friend I need more cores because I do DAW. I use Sonar X2 Producer ...... and like video editing, the more cores the better. I do this as a living and right now my quad cant handle jack.. which has thrown me back with a few projects. Anyhow.. thats why I need 12 threads.... It will help me open more VSTs DXIs and plugins. gl

So you're applying a single workstation class scenario to ALL consumer class part scenarios?

Must be nice being the 1%.

 

[SithSolo1]

So you're applying a single workstation class scenario to ALL consumer class part scenarios?

Must be nice being the 0.01%.

Fixed. Intel could really care less about the "tweakboy"s in the world. They probably have more employees than world-wide Sandy-E users.

 

[squirrel dog]

Tweak on , Tweak Boy , Tweak on ...

 

[Puppies04]

So you're applying a single workstation class scenario to ALL consumer class part scenarios?

Must be nice being the 1%.

Naw he just thinks that if intel released a "mainstream" hex core it would be comparable in price to "mainstream" quads.

Tweakboy do you realise that the entire 1155 IB range is all based on 1 quad core design and that even if they did release a hex core that fit in a mainstream socket it would be so bandwidth starved in any application that made use of its extra cores that it would be a complete waste of time.

If you really do need the extra processing grunt of a 2011 chip for DAW and video editing because you "do it for a living" then you should be able to offset the cost of 2011 setup with the increased productivity which is exactly the reason Intel can charge so much for them.

 

[Torn Mind]

Aren't E-series chips supposed to kick the ____ out of all of the lower-tier chips anyway? So when Haswell-E comes out...

 

[Puppies04]

Aren't E-series chips supposed to kick the ____ out of all of the lower-tier chips anyway? So when Haswell-E comes out...

In workloads specifically designed for more than 4c8t chips/very high RAM bandwidth or PCI-E traffic bandwidth yes they do perform better than mainstream chips. In everything else not so much.....

 

[AdamK47]

I agree with Tweakboy.

 

[Puppies04]

Aren't E-series chips supposed to kick the ____ out of all of the lower-tier chips anyway? So when Haswell-E comes out...

If you want to see for yourself check this out.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/551?vs=552

As I said, most the time for most "normal" tasks including gaming the benefits of 2011s extra cores, memory bandwidth and PCI-e lanes either don't mean very much or actually end up slower than the 3770k because of it's slight ghz advantage.

 

[Puppies04]

I agree with Tweakboy.

Did you want some medication for that?

 

[Torn Mind]

If you want to see for yourself check this out.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/551?vs=552

As I said, most the time for most "normal" tasks including gaming the benefits of 2011s extra cores, memory bandwidth and PCI-e lanes either don't mean very much or actually end up slower than the 3770k because of it's slight ghz advantage.

I don't consider the other i7s lower tier even without an the -E designation. More like the same tier, but I understand that my reply did not convey that thought very well.

I know that slight architectural improvements and similar clockspeeds means similar performance.

 

[joshhedge]

My friend I need more cores because I do DAW. I use Sonar X2 Producer ...... and like video editing, the more cores the better. I do this as a living and right now my quad cant handle jack.. which has thrown me back with a few projects. Anyhow.. thats why I need 12 threads.... It will help me open more VSTs DXIs and plugins. gl

If you've been thrown back on a few projects because of your relatively dreadful Q6600 why wait another 8 months or so, for which you could fall back even further, for Ivy-E when you can buy a i7-3770 right now and enjoy a huge boost in productivity. thx. gl.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

I'm just trying to figure out what "DAW" tasks actually benefit from more cores to that degree.

I mean, even a stock speed C2Q will run an unholy number of software synths, effects, etc.

It doesn't even really benefit that much from an SSD (a 7200 rpm HDD will still feed you more 24/96 audio streams than can be tastefully combined into a single mix, even if the startup lag is worse.)

If you're doing so much in software that you need an Ivy-E, you might want to either take a serious look at addressing the quality issues with your recorded sources, or consider reevaluating your artistic choices.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

If you've been thrown back on a few projects because of your relatively dreadful Q6600 why wait another 8 months or so, for which you could fall back even further, for Ivy-E when you can buy a i7-3770 right now and enjoy a huge boost in productivity. thx. gl.

I may be confusing him with somebody else, but I seem to recall tweakboy having a "my computer died" thread recently, so I assume the Q6600 is the backup rig.

 

[joshhedge]

I may be confusing him with somebody else, but I seem to recall tweakboy having a "my computer died" thread recently, so I assume the Q6600 is the backup rig.

Might have been his dads through overvolting it... I'm not sure but it's feasible.

 

[Torn Mind]

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan08/articles/pcmusician_0108.htm

A bit dated, but food for thought.

 

[Puppies04]

I don't consider the other i7s lower tier even without an the -E designation. More like the same tier, but I understand that my reply did not convey that thought very well.

They aren't anything like the same tier, hence the price difference and platform specs. Anyone trying to use a 2011 setup for anything that isn't specifically designed to make use of the extra cores, memory bandwidth or PCI-e lanes is wasting their money or is more worried about the their E-peen than value for money.

as for this

I know that slight architectural improvements and similar clockspeeds means similar performance.

why did you say this then?

Aren't E-series chips supposed to kick the ____ out of all of the lower-tier chips anyway?

 

[kleinkinstein]

Jeeesh, a week went by fast! When I go away, I want nothing less than two weeks.

 

[tweakboy]

So buy a IB quad then, now that is an example of something that will "slap the **** out of your current setup" Hell if you want even more computing power build 2 IB quad setups. It will cost you about the same as a hex 2011 chip rig and you will have 8 cores instead of 6, and 16 threads instead of 12.

Woah so your talking server right ? I cant afford 1500 dollar chips and pay for diapers. Thats 3k plus mobo 4k for 16 threads.

Or 12 threads for 1k....... no brainer, plus I heard you cant OC server boards....

 

[NTMBK]

Jeeesh, a week went by fast! When I go away, I want nothing less than two weeks.

You're gonna have to up your game.