Ivy E will handily beat Haswell in 2013.

[Shmee]

I do agree that Intel should be a bit more enthusiast friendly in their lineups,,, gl gb

 

[Puppies04]

Woah so your talking server right ? I cant afford 1500 dollar chips and pay for diapers. Thats 3k plus mobo 4k for 16 threads.

Or 12 threads for 1k....... no brainer, plus I heard you cant OC server boards....

No No No, read what I wrote again, it is plain English. At no point do I say anything about xeons I am refering to 1155 IB (2 seperate rigs) and SB-E.

The fact that a single 3770 rig is going to have getting on for double the performance of your existing rig assuming you are CPU bottle necked should be more than enough reason to upgrade if you "do this for a living" i.e you make money off it.

 

[NTMBK]

No No No, read what I wrote again, it is plain English. At no point do I say anything about xeons I am refering to 1155 IB (2 seperate rigs) and SB-E.

Alternately, duct tape 30 Raspberry Pi's together for maximum cores/$.

 

[Puppies04]

Alternately, duct tape 30 Raspberry Pi's together for maximum cores/$.

Actually Tweakboy just buy a bulldozer chip, it has 8 cores!! Just look at this diagram.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

Another TB thread.

Why do you need to make a new thread for every new thing you think of? These threads are utterly useless.

 

[VirtualLarry]

and pay for diapers.

you have kids?

 

[Torn Mind]

They aren't anything like the same tier, hence the price difference and platform specs. Anyone trying to use a 2011 setup for anything that isn't specifically designed to make use of the extra cores, memory bandwidth or PCI-e lanes is wasting their money or is more worried about the their E-peen than value for money.

as for this


why did you say this then?

Haste and carelessness leads to many stupid things said; I admit guilt in that regard. I meant to make a sarcastic counter to the opening post and title and yet I do the complete opposite. Now that I think about it, of course -E series chips are supposed to offer superior performance compared to everything else, but whether they actually do so to matter is a different matter altogether, especially if the architectures are different. Yeah, I really screwed the pooch here.

 

[greenhawk]

I cant afford 1500 dollar chips and pay for diapers. Thats 3k plus mobo 4k for 16 threads.

Or 12 threads for 1k....... no brainer, plus I heard you cant OC server boards....

On the first, you do realise that a 2500k is about twice as fast in terms of cpu speed over the q6600 and will not cost anywhere near $1500.

With q6600's getting old, if you wanted, you could setup a rendering farm with several second hand ones. a possible cheap option if funds are tight and you want to get more processing power.

As to the OC and s2011 chips, there are gaming version which do have overclocking abilities.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

you have kids?

Its for his dad.

 

[podspi]

You guys do have to admit, it is frustrating that the 'high-end' platform is always a generation behind.

It makes sense, given the extra time and expense necessary to certify things for server use (and these parts are more or less rebranded Xeons), but (perhaps) frustrating for those of us nonetheless.

Of course, the title of the topic is arguing the opposite. I guess we'll see. It'll definitely be workload-dependent.

 

[WiseUp216]

Its for his dad.

And now I'm the guy laughing out loud to himself in the office. Thanks.

 

[moonbogg]

You guys do have to admit, it is frustrating that the 'high-end' platform is always a generation behind.

It makes sense, given the extra time and expense necessary to certify things for server use (and these parts are more or less rebranded Xeons), but (perhaps) frustrating for those of us nonetheless.

Of course, the title of the topic is arguing the opposite. I guess we'll see. It'll definitely be workload-dependent.

Yep, it sucks. But its a good way to make an impulsive enthusiast buy twice.

 

[Lepton87]

Yep, it sucks. But its a good way to make an impulsive enthusiast buy twice.

Why? Would you go from a hex core 980X@4.4GHz to a quad 2600K@4.8GHz? SB has 50% more theoretical peak flops but it doesn't matter, how many applications use AVX? It's useful in mainly IBT(LinX) but in 99% well threaded application gulftown would provide more flops. With IVE-EP compared to haswell the gap in amount of cores will be BIG. 10 vs 4. They shouldn't bastardize the chips in Extreme Edition line and sell them in the full configuration. If they aren't happy with the 1000$ price point they should just make it 2000$ and make a middle SKU in the 1000$ price point. Maybe they shouldn't even have stock clocks akin to AMD TWEAKER 42 processors. Extreme should be extreme period. Right now it is not, all you get is a bastardized SB-EP die. Selling locked chips as extreme is shameful. Anyone share my point of view? If someone is willing to pay twice as much for a measly 3MB of L3 cache which makes almost no practical difference why wouldn't he pay twice as much for two(or 4 if they stick to 6 cores in normal 2011 chips) more cores along with more cache?

 

[BD231]

If only amd had went with a real 8 core cpu, intel would have as well. Instead they screwed themselves over, shame.

 

[CrystalBay]

I believe it's more hype than the expectations also.

 

[moonbogg]

Why? Would you go from a hex core 980X@4.4GHz to a quad 2600K@4.8GHz? SB has 50% more theoretical peak flops but it doesn't matter, how many applications use AVX? It's useful in mainly IBT(LinX) but in 99% well threaded application gulftown would provide more flops. With IVE-EP compared to haswell the gap in amount of cores will be BIG. 10 vs 4. They shouldn't bastardize the chips in Extreme Edition line and sell them in the full configuration. If they aren't happy with the 1000$ price point they should just make it 2000$ and make a middle SKU in the 1000$ price point. Maybe they shouldn't even have stock clocks akin to AMD TWEAKER 42 processors. Extreme should be extreme period. Right now it is not, all you get is a bastardized SB-EP die. Selling locked chips as extreme is shameful. Anyone share my point of view? If someone is willing to pay twice as much for a measly 3MB of L3 cache which makes almost no practical difference why wouldn't he pay twice as much for two(or 4 if they stick to 6 cores in normal 2011 chips) more cores along with more cache?

If you always want the latest and greatest, then you buy twice. I can't even count how many people said "I'm waiting for socket 2011!" because they thought it was going to be so great. Most people buckled and bought a 2600k. Then 2011 came out and they waited a while, they thought about it but in the end they couldn't resist. They had to have that extreme platform that they had always wanted in the first place. I went from 2600k to 3930k, but for different reasons. I thought it would help with BF3 multiplayer, and it really didn't (at least not by much).
If Haswell has good ipc and good OCing, I might get one. This time around I can't see myself being tempted by an Ivy-E with less IPC than a Haswell since all I do is game and since I already learned my expensive 6 core lesson. Others might have other thoughts and end up buying twice again.

 

[NTMBK]

If only amd had went with a real 8 core cpu, intel would have as well. Instead they screwed themselves over, shame.

Not necessarily- AMD brought out a mainstream "real" 6 core, and Intel didn't match them.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Because they didn't have to. Their quad cores tied or beat AMDs 6 cores more often than not.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Tweak on , Tweak Boy , Tweak on ...

 

[ShadowVVL]

Well tweek I dont think IB-E will be that much of a step up from SB-E or at least i haven't seen any proof. The question Is will you have the money for it when it hits stores?


you can get a IB 3770k +mobo+16gb ram for about $480.

The SB-E cpu +16GB ram +mobo will cost you about $900.

prices might be lower depending mobo,ram and store/site.

In cpu hogging apps that Q6600 has no balls nor does my q9550 vs IB so I think you would be better off with a IB quad or HW quad.


I assume your dad does DAW as well? if so have you tried doing a project on his comp?

 

[tweakboy]

Naw he just thinks that if intel released a "mainstream" hex core it would be comparable in price to "mainstream" quads.

Tweakboy do you realise that the entire 1155 IB range is all based on 1 quad core design and that even if they did release a hex core that fit in a mainstream socket it would be so bandwidth starved in any application that made use of its extra cores that it would be a complete waste of time.

If you really do need the extra processing grunt of a 2011 chip for DAW and video editing because you "do it for a living" then you should be able to offset the cost of 2011 setup with the increased productivity which is exactly the reason Intel can charge so much for them.

Thank you much for your post and the info. :thumbsup:

 

[tweakboy]

Might have been his dads through overvolting it... I'm not sure but it's feasible.

That could have been the UEFI bug in the firmware. I was on vacation for a week LOL, gl

:whiste:

 

[mv2devnull]

So buy a IB quad then, now that is an example of something that will "slap the **** out of your current setup" Hell if you want even more computing power build 2 IB quad setups. It will cost you about the same as a hex 2011 chip rig and you will have 8 cores instead of 6, and 16 threads instead of 12.

This is a very good point if ... is the "DAW" smart enough to use a farm or can the work at least be trivially split to a farm?

If neither is true, but the "DAW" does thread out to more SMP cores, then one good box is the way and IB quad certainly is an upgrade to the Q6600.


It is almost sad that tweakboy cannot "pull the trigger" for $3k. If he really were enthusiastic about it and making good return from each invested core, should he not consider a SB-EP quad? Naturally, grievously inferior to the IB-EP's and Haswell-EP's of future, but just imagine the 64 logical cores of four today's E5-4650's ... :awe:

And that is before putting the Xeon Phi cards in next quarter. If such thing does not make a sound, I don't know what does.

 

[njdevilsfan87]

Woah so your talking server right ? I cant afford 1500 dollar chips and pay for diapers. Thats 3k plus mobo 4k for 16 threads.

Or 12 threads for 1k....... no brainer, plus I heard you cant OC server boards....

If you can't scale your workload and returns up to 8-16 threads and beyond, then you don't need a 10 core Ivy and this thread is irrelevant. Because if did, you would have bought yourself a nice SB-E or even maybe 8-core Xeon, put it on some payment plan, and have it pay itself off over time.

Newegg gives you an entire year (if you have a preferred account) I believe, so there's no excuse. My VM Farm has about another 2 months to go and then it's all in the green from there. (Bought it last month).

 

[Concillian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdkCnKFFPD4