Ivy Bridge IGP up to 122% faster than HD3000

[WMD]

Again, who is this mystery person who's getting a k version CPU to overclock, is planning on gaming, and who isn't putting in some sort of discrete card? Prebuilts aren't going to have the k version, so we're talking boutique builds or self-builds with the processors with the HD4000. And Starcraft II only gets 29fps at 720p -- who's going to be running a 720p monitor on a i5 3750k rig? Do you expect them to run at a non-native resolution rather than spend another ~7% to get +200% performance?



http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1367481&CatId=3670

Again you are assuming everyone who has a need for a fast >4ghz cpu is also a hardcore gamer who absolutely wants best image quality. I wont play at non native resolution but i know a lot of people who isn't nearly as anal. As long as they can play the game it is fine. A i5 3570K alone is fine for someone doing cpu intensive work and just occasional light online gaming. How many times do I need to repeat that.

OH and here is also a list of non K processors with the HD4000:

Core i3 3225
Core i5 3475S
Core i7 3770
Core i7 3770S
Core i7 3770T

There goes your "who buys a K cpu to overclock and play at non native..." argument.

http://compare-processors.com/list-of-ivy-bridge-core-i3-processors/2604/
http://wccftech.com/intel-ivy-bridge-lineup-leaked-detailed-specs-18-core-i7i5-processors-exposed/

 

[WMD]

Ivy bridge ultrabook running the DX11 F1 2011 smoothly with mostly medium settings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYWvT9BoDZU

 

[Gikaseixas]

awesome, now let's see what Nvidia and AMD will do to justify they bottom end lines

 

[Arkadrel]

On avg. 67% jump.... faster than HD3000.

Thats still slower than a Llano top end right? and trinity is gonna add another 35-40% ontop of that.
So Intel still hasnt caught up to AMD with its IGPs, but this looks like a big step in that direction though.

If AMD isnt paying attention on the APU IPG side, they might get overtaken by Intel in a few years.

 

[Dark Shroud]

AMD is rolling out new upgraded models of their APUs every year. They have the edge on mobile chips in general and they're not going to blow it.

I was planning on buying an Intel Ultra Book now I'm looking at the AMD Ultra Slim instead.

 

[Blitzvogel]

Ivy bridge ultrabook running the DX11 F1 2011 smoothly with mostly medium settings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYWvT9BoDZU

Impressive that an IGP is doing that, but in the grand landscape of PC graphics, not really impressive.

 

[Phynaz]

who's going to be running a 720p monitor on a i5 3750k rig?

I run 12x10 on an i7 rig. Got a problem with that?

 

[LoneNinja]

I can only see HD7900 and 7700 series in AMDs official site. There are 7600 OEM series but there are not available in retail or in the official AMD site.

As far as i know, AMD haven't released 7600 and lower series as of yet.

7670 has been listed on AMDs site for at least a couple weeks now.
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/7000/7670/Pages/radeon-7670.aspx#1

 

[AtenRa]

7670 has been listed on AMDs site for at least a couple weeks now.
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/7000/7670/Pages/radeon-7670.aspx#1

Ahh thx, i was looking at www.amd.com/uk

Anyway, so far the HD7600 is OEM only, we have to wait and see if it will be the same in retail.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Again you are assuming everyone who has a need for a fast >4ghz cpu is also a hardcore gamer who absolutely wants best image quality. I wont play at non native resolution but i know a lot of people who isn't nearly as anal. As long as they can play the game it is fine. A i5 3570K alone is fine for someone doing cpu intensive work and just occasional light online gaming. How many times do I need to repeat that.

OH and here is also a list of non K processors with the HD4000:

Core i3 3225
Core i5 3475S
Core i7 3770
Core i7 3770S
Core i7 3770T

There goes your "who buys a K cpu to overclock and play at non native..." argument.

The i3 2105 is at a $10 price premium over the i3 2100.
The i3 2125 is at a $22 price premium over the i3 2120.
The i5 2405S isn't directly comparable to the i5 2400, but it's $40 more and within $5 of the i5 2500k. It and the i5 3475S are specialty low-TDP chips so they're off the deep end.
Intel isn't giving you the upgraded IGP for free. If you're paying extra for the GPU why the hell wouldn't you get a discrete card?

As for the i7's, a discrete card is an even more negligible cost than for an i5. If you're going to spend the bucks on an i7 and you're going to be using it for gaming, who the heck isn't going to put in a real card?

HD4000 performance is meaningless. Nobody is going to be speccing a rig with one because "lol u can gaem on the IGP." You can game on a HD4000 with modern games the way I could 'game' using my NForce 4's 6150LE in 2006: "Not very well."

(Of course, going by the "stuck without a graphics card" thread it appears that everybody in VC&G with an i5 2500k is currently gaming on their HD3000's. So I guess it does have a purpose -- it's there for the ultra-enthusiast gamers. )

 

[formulav8]

Blah Blah Intel will probably do what they did with hd3000. Majorly optimize for the games that, for example, anand uses in their benchmark suite to make it look super-dooper. (Plus of course 3dmark and that sysmark bench they own/parially own that nearly every gpu company ended up leaving). Put the hd4 in two high-priced k cpu's just so they can claim this or that and leave the hd3 in the lesser costing chips. (They did finally release an hd3 on a dual core after llano. Some reason thinking it would compete with its gpu).

Not to mention consistent performance, features, and drivers. I'm one of those see it before believe it

 

[Blitzvogel]

HD4000 in high end Intel parts is pretty much only meaningful for laptop users, and perhaps HTPCers. Does Intel use the same finished silicon for their mobile and desktop lines with just different packaging? If not, I wouldn't even waste the die space of the top end desktop i7s with an HD4000, and go with something less substantial as a stand-by/back up iGP, since any person going high end will probably have a dedicated graphics card.

 

[Fox5]

With AMD's low end discrete gpu moving at a snail's pace. I would say give Intel a another couple of generation and they will overtake AMD in the low end. Even with 67% average increase in graphics performance the i5 3570K retails for $10 less than the i5 2550K in my country! AMD could learn a thing or two from Intel.

AMD still has a gpu performance/density advantage, although Intel's process advantage somewhat negates that. It's looking like they'll converge to offering roughly equal graphics performance (die space is king, amd's design is denser but intel's fabs are better), while Intel still has a better cpu.

AMD still has better graphics drivers though, let's see how long it takes for Intel to improve that.

Also, the HD3000 had much better market penetration on laptops, and I expect the HD4000 will as well. And that's the market that probably matters most for APUs, who would buy a desktop and not throw a graphics card in it?