I've changed my mind on impeachment

[blackangst1]

What "exactly" would leave Trump bruised and bloody?

Are you referring to the Russian collusion myth?

If you are, Trump has been investigated since July of 2016. So 2 1/2 years have passed and so far nothing has seen the light of day.

You have to remember many people think having business interests in Russia = managing troll farms to get him alected, and to destroy the country that made him rich, all the while creating division within the Democrat party as well. In other words, collusion.

But dont worry. Its coming! Just need another 2 1/2 years!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You have to remember many people think having business interests in Russia = managing troll farms to get him alected, and to destroy the country that made him rich, all the while creating division within the Democrat party as well. In other words, collusion.

But dont worry. Its coming! Just need another 2 1/2 years!

Why did Trump lie then? Trump had no business interests like he had no knowledge, about Stormey, then he did but he didn't pay anything, then he did, then he paid and ordered a felony crime.

Trump is ass deep in crime. Collusion? Unknown, but let's limit investigation into that to the same time as was spent by your guys on Hillary.

But I don't think Mueller will be investigating that long. Whatever Mueller has will be released when he's done his due diligence, and then NY can have at Trump, and oh boy that's going to be fun.

 

[Viper1j]

What "exactly" would leave Trump bruised and bloody?

Are you referring to the Russian collusion myth?

If you are, Trump has been investigated since July of 2016. So 2 1/2 years have passed and so far nothing has seen the light of day.

Remind me again..

How long did Whitewater last? 6 years?

How many Benghazi hearings were there? 8?

This bus ride hasn't even left the terminal.

 

[Texashiker]

Why did Trump lie then? Trump had no business interests like he had no knowledge, about Stormey, then he did but he didn't pay anything, then he did, then he paid and ordered a felony crime.

Trump is ass deep in crime.

How is consenting adults entering into a contract our business?

So what you claim to have is two adults agreeing to a contract, and one getting paid?

In other words, you have nothing. Even if it was related to the election, so what?

 

[blackangst1]

Why did Trump lie then? Trump had no business interests like he had no knowledge, about Stormey, then he did but he didn't pay anything, then he did, then he paid and ordered a felony crime.

Trump is ass deep in crime. Collusion? Unknown, but let's limit investigation into that to the same time as was spent by your guys on Hillary.

But I don't think Mueller will be investigating that long. Whatever Mueller has will be released when he's done his due diligence, and then NY can have at Trump, and oh boy that's going to be fun.

I don't know why. He's egotistical so protects his image. But last I checked lying ( unless under oath) isn't illegal OR impeachable. It seems most who want him impeached think being a douche is impeachable.

As I've said many times. Should evidence come out that proves he committed crimes, impeach him. But so far, there's nothing.

 

[Texashiker]

Remind me again..

How long did Whitewater last? 6 years?

How many Benghazi hearings were there? 8?

This bus ride hasn't even left the terminal.

uh, yea, whatever.

two and a half years and all mueller has found is a contract and payment between consenting adults

 

[Viper1j]

uh, yea, whatever.

two and a half years and all mueller has found is a contract and payment between consenting adults

You mean to go along with 36 indictments, 5 guilty pleas, and 2 convictions don't you?

The only thing missing is a partridge in a pear tree.

 

[BoomerD]

IMO, it would be stupid, and a.waste.of "political capital" to impeach Trump right now. There's ZERO chance the Republican led Senate would vote to convict him...which is required to get him out of office. Even Bill Clinton wasn't convicted by the Senate.
IF the Dems can manage to wrest control of the Senate from the Repubs in a strong enough majority to convict...then, sure...MAYBE, but keep in mind, Pense (and Mother) are.waiting jn the wings..m

 

[Texashiker]

IMO, it would be stupid, and a.waste.of "political capital" to impeach Trump right now. There's ZERO chance the Republican led Senate would vote to convict him...which is required to get him out of office. Even Bill Clinton wasn't convicted by the Senate.
IF the Dems can manage to wrest control of the Senate from the Repubs in a strong enough majority to convict...then, sure...MAYBE, but keep in mind, Pense (and Mother) are.waiting jn the wings..m

Impeach Trump for what?

You mean to go along with 36 indictments, 5 guilty pleas, and 2 convictions don't you?

What does that have to do with Trump?

 

[Viper1j]

I can live with a President Pence. He won't even have dinner with a lady without permission.

Look up "pussywhipped" in the dictionary, and you'll find his picture.

 

[Texashiker]

I can live with a President Pence. He won't even have dinner with a lady without permission.

Look up "pussywhipped" in the dictionary, and you'll find his picture.

Deflect, deflect....

What does anything you posted have to do with Trump?

 

[Viper1j]

Impeach Trump for what?
What does that have to do with Trump?

Donny fancies himself a crime boss..

So you take him down the same way they took down the other Don, John Gotti.
You work the little fish up to get the big fish.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

How is consenting adults entering into a contract our business?

So what you claim to have is two adults agreeing to a contract, and one getting paid?

In other words, you have nothing. Even if it was related to the election, so what?

Let's back up. What is "it" we're discussing? What does "even if it was related to the election" mean.

 

[Texashiker]

Donny fancies himself a crime boss..

Proof?

Please be exact, what has president Trump done for you to think he is a crime boss?

 

[Texashiker]

Let's back up. What is "it" we're discussing? What does "even if it was related to the election" mean.

It seems some people think Trump paying off a woman to keep her mouth shut is a crime worthy of impeachment.

 

[blackangst1]

It seems some people think Trump paying off a woman to keep her mouth shut is a crime worthy of impeachment.

Exactly. It just isn't.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It seems some people think Trump paying off a woman to keep her mouth shut is a crime worthy of impeachment.

The facts of the trial of Michael Cohen revealed that there were felonies of which Trump was a party. You don't have to like or agree with the judge but this is a conviction in fact, not an internet panel of "experts".

Paying off a woman in itself isn't criminal, however let's look at the Edwards case often used in defense of Trump. Edwards was also tried on paying off a woman and he was not convicted. Why? Because the charge to the jury was that if the payment was to shield his dying wife then not convicting would be proper HOWEVER if it was done for purposes of aiding his campaign then a finding of guilt was in order. The jury determined that Edwards acted without political purpose, and all the evidence suggests otherwise for Trump.

So the question is whether you believe a criminal act designed to influence an election merits removal or not. I say "yes".

 

[Viper1j]

Proof?

Please be exact, what has president Trump done for you to think he is a crime boss?

Try watching anything other than Fox News.

 

[Viper1j]

It seems some people think Trump paying off a woman to keep her mouth shut is a crime worthy of impeachment.

I know right?

Paying off cops is perfectly legal too... Right?

Bribery is bribery.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Exactly. It just isn't.

So I will put you in the "criminal acts designed to protect a campaign is acceptable".

That's not debatable, that was determined by the judge in the Cohen case. What remains to be seen is what else shakes out and if Trump will be indicted while in office.

Once Trump finishes his term now or 2020, NY has already spoken about Trump and his kids and their activities. From there is where everything is fair game and Trump and his charity are already parted

 

[blackangst1]

The facts of the trial of Michael Cohen revealed that there were felonies of which Trump was a party. You don't have to like or agree with the judge but this is a conviction in fact, not an internet panel of "experts".

Paying off a woman in itself isn't criminal, however let's look at the Edwards case often used in defense of Trump. Edwards was also tried on paying off a woman and he was not convicted. Why? Because the charge to the jury was that if the payment was to shield his dying wife then not convicting would be proper HOWEVER if it was done for purposes of aiding his campaign then a finding of guilt was in order. The jury determined that Edwards acted without political purpose, and all the evidence suggests otherwise for Trump.

So the question is whether you believe a criminal act designed to influence an election merits removal or not. I say "yes".

Remind us when this payment was made?

 

[Texashiker]

Try watching anything other than Fox News.

I visit a wide range of sites, including huffpost, motherjones, foxnews, dailymail, RT... etc.

I also subscribe to a wide range of political commentators on youtube.

Generally speaking, left leaning websites are more likely to leave out certain facts, or edit the news so it fits a certain narrative.

For example, a certain left leaning youtube commentator said Trump was "Selling public lands to oil companies", which was a flat out lie. The Trump administration was selling drilling rights, but not the land itself. His subscribers believed the lies he was spreading.

So the question is whether you believe a criminal act designed to influence an election merits removal or not. I say "yes".

Chances are people would want trump impeached if he was caught j-walking.

 

[blackangst1]

Remind us when this payment was made?

I'll answer for you. Before Trump ran for office therefore NOT for political gain therefore a nothing burger. Sleazy? Yep. Illegal? Not at all.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Trumpsters are being real idiots about this. It's highly improper for a NSA nominate to meet secretly with the ambassador of a nation with whom we are at odds. It's rightly perceived as a threat to national security & everybody needs to acknowledge that. If the President elect directed him to do so then that was also wrong, a usurpation of the powers of the administration still in office.

That's an issue of principle. The names don't matter.

Flynn knew that. That's why he lied about it & kept on lying when the FBI came around.

Interesting that you think losing the presidency would count as a win. The Democrats can’t accomplish anything useful legislatively until 2020 anyway so capturing the presidency is the most important thing. If conservatives want to help democrats do this I’m excited! Shutdowns for everyone! We don’t waste money on the wall and then we hopefully gain big in electoral offices due to Trump’s total dysfunction over his childish demand for a useless wall. Then we eliminate the filibuster and go absolutely hog wild with progressive legislation.

So really yes, they can be ignored and the longer they throw a temper tantrum the more we win. I honestly am totally okay with letting this continue until conservatives capitulate. As I said before this is also good governance because someday conservatives need to learn that taking the government hostage has consequences and I think we can all agree that would be a positive thing.

Exactly. It just isn't.

So it's a felony. Felonies aren't worthy of impeachment? Interesting.

 

[blackangst1]

So it's a felony. Felonies aren't worthy of impeachment? Interesting.

So you believe he paid her off for political gain? Long before he ran for office? Interesting.