ITunes Vs. Winamp

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: The Boss

Originally posted by: zakee00

Originally posted by: Francodman
fvck itunes, i had it crash and had about 4 gigs of mp3s vanish.

not sure why all of you guys have so many problems...maybe learn to scan for viruses before you bash a solid program?

yes, iTunes is a solid program because it works for you and we are all noobs :roll:

iTunes sucks.

I use Windows Media Player 10.

it does work though

i can't see how anyone can screw that up

the only thing i can see anyone complain about it is bloated and doesnt sound as good as foobar

if you can't get it to work because it deleted your files / reordered your library than
i would call you a noob

 

[jalaram]

Originally posted by: SampSon
I have no use for iTunes.
If you need a program to organize your music, then you need help.

That's fine for you. I have 500+ cds worth of mp3 files on my hard drive. Its organized in a simple directory structure, but I wouldn't mind a program that did a better job. That's why I got Picasa for my picture files. It was just too unwieldy to organize by myself.

 

Originally posted by: jalaram

Originally posted by: SampSon
I have no use for iTunes.
If you need a program to organize your music, then you need help.

That's fine for you. I have 500+ cds worth of mp3 files on my hard drive. Its organized in a simple directory structure, but I wouldn't mind a program that did a better job. That's why I got Picasa for my picture files. It was just too unwieldy to organize by myself.

I have 400 gigs online. Plus another 500 cd's (burnt mp3 and lossless) archived. I still organize better than a program can.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: jalaram

Originally posted by: SampSon
I have no use for iTunes.
If you need a program to organize your music, then you need help.

That's fine for you. I have 500+ cds worth of mp3 files on my hard drive. Its organized in a simple directory structure, but I wouldn't mind a program that did a better job. That's why I got Picasa for my picture files. It was just too unwieldy to organize by myself.

I am fairly sure that I have more music than most of you here and I can keep it all organized without the help of iTunes, I guess I'm special.

 

[jalaram]

Originally posted by: The Boss

Originally posted by: jalaram

Originally posted by: SampSon
I have no use for iTunes.
If you need a program to organize your music, then you need help.

That's fine for you. I have 500+ cds worth of mp3 files on my hard drive. Its organized in a simple directory structure, but I wouldn't mind a program that did a better job. That's why I got Picasa for my picture files. It was just too unwieldy to organize by myself.

I am fairly sure that I have more music than most of you here and I can keep it all organized without the help of iTunes, I guess I'm special.

As I said, that's great. I do the same with obviously much less music. I'm just saying that you shouldn't knock someone for preferring to have a program do the organization.

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: SampSon
I have no use for iTunes.
If you need a program to organize your music, then you need help.

I have 35 gigs of music, itunes makes it nice and simple to sort tunes through my music, plus I can create dynamic playlists so I can ask it to find all my top rated music, or to play me tunes that I've not listened to recently/often. I couldn't imagine trying to sift through it all with some other clunky method where my only options are to search for a name or composer, etc.

As for sound quality, it's going to sound the same on any player although maybe you had your equaliser settings set differently?

The kernel streaming feature found in other players is really a gimmick and I think only works on the placebo effect for users. Having tested the two on some decent enough speakers I can tell you that it is completely impossible to tell regular playback vs kernel streaming playback.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: SampSon
I have no use for iTunes.
If you need a program to organize your music, then you need help.

I have 35 gigs of music, itunes makes it nice and simple to sort tunes through my music, plus I can create dynamic playlists so I can ask it to find all my top rated music, or to play me tunes that I've not listened to recently/often. I couldn't imagine trying to sift through it all with some other clunky method where my only options are to search for a name or composer, etc.

As for sound quality, it's going to sound the same on any player although maybe you had your equaliser settings set differently?

The kernel streaming feature found in other players is really a gimmick and I think only works on the placebo effect for users. Having tested the two on some decent enough speakers I can tell you that it is completely impossible to tell regular playback vs kernel streaming playback.

WMP 10 has all those features.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: loic2003
The kernel streaming feature found in other players is really a gimmick and I think only works on the placebo effect for users. Having tested the two on some decent enough speakers I can tell you that it is completely impossible to tell regular playback vs kernel streaming playback.

I can't believe you still insist you know a damn thing about sound quality after I called you on such ridiculous statements as (paraphrased) 'headphone amplifiers require car batteries', 'ipod stock headphones are good because they have neodymium magnets' and 'good headphones cost 500 GBP (~$1,000 USD)'. Were you also the one who claimed an audiophile system was $50,000 USD, or was that some other newb? With all the misinformation flying around (a lot of ATers actually think Bose is good :laugh: ) it can be hard to remember who said what.

Pray tell, what "decent enough speakers" did you listen to in determining whether kernel streaming / ASIO makes a difference? What sound card did the PC in question have? It's night and day on a Chaintech av710 -> Senny hd280s.

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: loic2003
The kernel streaming feature found in other players is really a gimmick and I think only works on the placebo effect for users. Having tested the two on some decent enough speakers I can tell you that it is completely impossible to tell regular playback vs kernel streaming playback.

I can't believe you still insist you know a damn thing about sound quality after I called you on such ridiculous statements as (paraphrased) 'headphone amplifiers require car batteries', 'ipod stock headphones are good because they have neodymium magnets' and 'good headphones cost 500 GBP (~$1,000 USD)'. Were you also the one who claimed an audiophile system was $50,000 USD, or was that some other newb? With all the misinformation flying around (a lot of ATers actually think Bose is good :laugh: ) it can be hard to remember who said what.

Pray tell, what "decent enough speakers" did you listen to in determining whether kernel streaming / ASIO makes a difference? What sound card did the PC in question have? It's night and day on a Chaintech av710 -> Senny hd280s.

Well you're certainly correct on the misinformation flying about! Like I've already pointed out to you in other threads including the original thread where I was talking about these expensive headphones, etc, it was in jest. I know you'll ignore this and bring it up again as something to try and slate me with, but that's the way kids do things isn't it? 😉

Well here's my audio setup for your judgement:

Speakers: Altec Lansing VS4121
And just a regular Audigy 2 sound card.

I've never claimed to be an audiophile or whatever, but my system gives a decent sound for my tastes and from my personal, first-hand experience I cannot hear any kind of a quality difference betweeen the above two output formats.

Have a nice day...

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: loic2003
The kernel streaming feature found in other players is really a gimmick and I think only works on the placebo effect for users. Having tested the two on some decent enough speakers I can tell you that it is completely impossible to tell regular playback vs kernel streaming playback.

I can't believe you still insist you know a damn thing about sound quality after I called you on such ridiculous statements as (paraphrased) 'headphone amplifiers require car batteries', 'ipod stock headphones are good because they have neodymium magnets' and 'good headphones cost 500 GBP (~$1,000 USD)'. Were you also the one who claimed an audiophile system was $50,000 USD, or was that some other newb? With all the misinformation flying around (a lot of ATers actually think Bose is good :laugh: ) it can be hard to remember who said what.

Pray tell, what "decent enough speakers" did you listen to in determining whether kernel streaming / ASIO makes a difference? What sound card did the PC in question have? It's night and day on a Chaintech av710 -> Senny hd280s.

Well you're certainly correct on the misinformation flying about! Like I've already pointed out to you in other threads including the original thread where I was talking about these expensive headphones, etc, it was in jest. I know you'll ignore this and bring it up again as something to try and slate me with, but that's the way kids do things isn't it? 😉

Well here's my audio setup for your judgement:

Speakers: http://www.alteclansing.com/product_details.asp?pID=VS4121">Altec Lansing VS4121</a>
And just a regular Audigy 2 sound card.

I've never claimed to be an audiophile or whatever, but my system gives a decent sound for my tastes and from my personal, first-hand experience I cannot hear any kind of a quality difference betweeen the above two output formats.

Have a nice day...

not only are you a moron but you cant link either

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: Anubis
not only are you a moron but you cant link either

You've confused me with someone who gives a shit, but it's fixed now anyway. Dry your tears.

 

[Koing]

Winamp 2.76 for life! I love the speed and the low resources of it all and how fast it is. iTunes resizing lags FFS! The search feature in iTunes is very good though but it uses more resources and would use more battery power on my laptop then Winamp 2.76.

Hey anyone got a plugin for Winamp 2.76 that would let it use chinese? That is the only thing that sucks and why I use iTunes on occasion.

I have all my music organised in to Albums in a folder called 'Music'. I just search that if I want to find stuff.

I only use iTunes to tranfer music to the iPod. I can't be assed to import all of my music and have it all sync
up to the iPod. I only want my playlists to sync or the few I put on it.

I have a 20Gb 3rd Gen iPod and I only have ~ 750mb of music on it 😛.

Koing

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: zakee00

Originally posted by: Francodman
fvck itunes, i had it crash and had about 4 gigs of mp3s vanish.

not sure why all of you guys have so many problems...maybe learn to scan for viruses before you bash a solid program?

yea i mean seriously, my mom has used itunes with no problems. i guess some people are just incompetent.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: loic2003
Well you're certainly correct on the misinformation flying about! Like I've already pointed out to you in other threads including the original thread where I was talking about these expensive headphones, etc, it was in jest. I know you'll ignore this and bring it up again as something to try and slate me with, but that's the way kids do things isn't it? 😉

Well here's my audio setup for your judgement:

Speakers: Altec Lansing VS4121
And just a regular Audigy 2 sound card.

I've never claimed to be an audiophile or whatever, but my system gives a decent sound for my tastes and from my personal, first-hand experience I cannot hear any kind of a quality difference betweeen the above two output formats.

Have a nice day...

If you don't want me pointing your BS out whenever you spew it, simply admit that you know nothing of sound quality and apologize for trying to pass the aforementioned ridiculous & erroneous statements off as fact. People trying to learn something should consider the source of their information; I'm merely helping them to do so.

With those speakers & sound card, and your attitude & lack of knowledge, I'm not surprised you can't hear a difference. Also curious what music you made the comparison with and what compression format, if any, the sound file(s) were in. It's also quite likely you set it up improperly.

 

[RudeBoie]

Winamp actually sounds much better to me. I can't handle the way iTunes sounds. Also it's annoying to always have iTunes in the taskbar. For Winamp, though, I also use the Enhancer sound plugin, so that's part of why I'm used to the Winamp sound.

 

[m3rcury]

Windows Media Player!!!

Seriously, winamp sounds the same to me and my onboard soundcard as wmp or anything else.

 

[SuperFirewave]

It's been a while I haven't used winamp, but iTunes could be made to minimize into the system tray, so it doesn't show up in the task bar anymore.

 

[tami]

i agree with the OP. itunes has better sound quality and it's much easier to have itunes if you have an ipod than itunes+winamp or foobar... one program is enough, thank you.

 

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: SampSon
I have no use for iTunes.
If you need a program to organize your music, then you need help.

I have 35 gigs of music, itunes makes it nice and simple to sort tunes through my music, plus I can create dynamic playlists so I can ask it to find all my top rated music, or to play me tunes that I've not listened to recently/often. I couldn't imagine trying to sift through it all with some other clunky method where my only options are to search for a name or composer, etc.

As for sound quality, it's going to sound the same on any player although maybe you had your equaliser settings set differently?

The kernel streaming feature found in other players is really a gimmick and I think only works on the placebo effect for users. Having tested the two on some decent enough speakers I can tell you that it is completely impossible to tell regular playback vs kernel streaming playback.

I have 10 times the amount of music online.
Dynamic playlists arn't a big selling feature to me personally, but a lot of people seem to like them. I guess I just know what I want to hear and when I want to hear it without a program deciding.

To each their own.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: zakee00

Originally posted by: Francodman
fvck itunes, i had it crash and had about 4 gigs of mp3s vanish.

not sure why all of you guys have so many problems...maybe learn to scan for viruses before you bash a solid program?

yea i mean seriously, my mom has used itunes with no problems. i guess some people are just imcompetent.

Itunes use to crash with some of my MP3's I had.

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: loic2003
Well you're certainly correct on the misinformation flying about! Like I've already pointed out to you in other threads including the original thread where I was talking about these expensive headphones, etc, it was in jest. I know you'll ignore this and bring it up again as something to try and slate me with, but that's the way kids do things isn't it? 😉

Well here's my audio setup for your judgement:

Speakers: Altec Lansing VS4121
And just a regular Audigy 2 sound card.

I've never claimed to be an audiophile or whatever, but my system gives a decent sound for my tastes and from my personal, first-hand experience I cannot hear any kind of a quality difference betweeen the above two output formats.

Have a nice day...

If you don't want me pointing your BS out whenever you spew it, simply admit that you know nothing of sound quality and apologize for trying to pass the aforementioned ridiculous & erroneous statements off as fact. People trying to learn something should consider the source of their information; I'm merely helping them to do so.

With those speakers & sound card, and your attitude & lack of knowledge, I'm not surprised you can't hear a difference. Also curious what music you made the comparison with and what compression format, if any, the sound file(s) were in. It's also quite likely you set it up improperly.

Reading up on this thread I've only given my personal findings and opinion. I'm not sure what parts you think counted as "spewing BS". Looking at your posts, however, you repeat what you know isn't factual and seem to be going back to previous threads to try and start some kind of argument with me. Yet you're talking about my attitude?

Now, my audio setup isn't some cheapo £10 crap and will be a very similar kind of setup to what the vast majority of people (both the general public and those who frequent anand) will have. When you go about preaching the wonder that is kernel streaming, why do you not mention that in order to tell the sound difference people are most likely going to have to go out and buy new hardware?

As for what I used for my foobar/iTunes sound test, I used some classical music and acoustic guitar (eg nirvana unplugged) tunes as test music. I felt that music like this was very crisp and easier to spot differences.

I tried the following formats with the same tunes:

320 kbps MP3
320 kbps AAC
AIFF


Both had flat equaliser settings and the same volume settings. I provided a fair test for them both but honestly couldn't tell a difference. I'm not sure how an "attitude or lack of knowledge" would effect what I hear coming out of my speakers....

 

If you don't want me pointing your BS out whenever you spew it, simply admit that you know nothing of sound quality and apologize for trying to pass the aforementioned ridiculous & erroneous statements off as fact. People trying to learn something should consider the source of their information; I'm merely helping them to do so.

With those speakers & sound card, and your attitude & lack of knowledge, I'm not surprised you can't hear a difference. Also curious what music you made the comparison with and what compression format, if any, the sound file(s) were in. It's also quite likely you set it up improperly.

I'm not disagreeing with you on this specific point or trying to start a fight, but you really don't know much about sound quality either.
Throughout these threads you've been referencing webpages and technical sound info that you really don't understand. It's like the typical case of someone reading some articles, then throwing around buzz words and information just for the sake of doing it.

loic2003 hate to break it to you, but your setup is pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel. Though I do not disagree with you that the sound quality of kernel streaming being nominal at best.

 

[konakona]

Originally posted by: SampSon
I have no use for iTunes.
If you need a program to organize your music, then you need help.

honestly, i couldnt agree more. I only have about 10 gigs of music to spare, maybe thats what makes it easier for me to know exactly which song i wanna listen to (instead of the program telling me what i am supposed to)
a huge playlist would require a simplifed searching method you are so proud of. try columns_UI with multiple playlists open at the same time and you woul rarely ever need to search for anything.

 

[BW86]

Winamp

 

[Maleficus]

they both suck, Foobar > *