ITT: We discuss future pricing and availability for AM3+ processors and mobos

[Abwx]

You can multitask, do it before bed, etc. It's not like a game where you have to sit there waiting for a loading screen to go away or for a program to start up.

The point of the 7zip example was that 8 seconds or whatever for each use wouldn't be much of a inconvenience to someone over the lifetime of the CPU. My post implied that I don't believe you would be using that program constantly to give you such annoyances. For virtually everyone, an SSD will go waaaaay farther.

There are plenty of applications that will use extra cores but with the Intel coming out on top. Gaming is the big one. Additionally, if you're constantly using your computer, your idle or less than load power usage will undoubtedly be higher.

The advantage of the FX8, or of an i7, is that you have enough throughput when you need it, you dont need to wait before sleeping and then launch the lengthy application, the sooner it s completed the better, you are right for the SSD but this apply to all CPUs and while we re talking of games perhaps it would be usefull to point that all benches posted are made in minimaly loaded systems with no antivirus, firewall, no connection or any other marginal app that could use the slightest CPU percentage, with theses non realistic conditions the scores will be accurate but if ever it s a real life system the lowly threaded CPUs wont manage to keep the same perf level.

I don't think anyone is getting a great deal compared to what Intel offers.

An i3 for the cost of a FX83xx, i wouldnt call this a great deal for an i3, seriously.??.

 

[frozentundra123456]

No really.
Why are intel faster?
FX was a disaster for AMD, it was inteded for the workstation market. It never delivered. People make it out to FX being a huge, steaming pile of shit.
Truth to be told, so far, no game I have (140~ games on steam), have been played at a dissatisfactory framerate. If you take an Intel cpu, good for you. But taking an intel i3, as many people suggest, over a FX6300/FX8320, is, just stupid.
I'll never understand people who try to shave 20$ a year off their bills, by buying another CPU, instead of just buying better lightbulbs etc.

Whether you can save more money elsewhere is an irrelevant argument when you are justifying the choice of a CPU by the cost. The total cost of ownership over the life of the system is what must be considered, and power usage is a part of that cost.

 

[FX2000]

Whether you can save more money elsewhere is an irrelevant argument when you are justifying the choice of a CPU by the cost. The total cost of ownership over the life of the system is what must be considered, and power usage is a part of that cost.

What if I choose to buy the FX6350+ASUS board.
I save 100$.
I have 10 60watt bulbs in my home.
I use those 100$ saved to buy 10watt LED bulbs.
I save 50$ monthly on my power bill instead of measly 10$.
Potato Tomato.

 

[Ramses]

I don't even consider TCO on cars anymore, let alone a cpu...
That's why I call em hobbies.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I don't even consider TCO on cars anymore, let alone a cpu...
That's why I call em hobbies.

Then you shouldn't worry about paying more for a better performing Intel CPU, right? After all gaming is a hobby, right?

 

[Ramses]

Like I said, it was only partly the money.
It was a combo of the aggravation with Intel at having so many sockets/chipsets/cpu's on a philosophical level, the practicality of hunting through them to soothe my OCD over picking the absolute best motherboard(for me), and the fact that for my workloads, which really haven't changed in the last fifteen years, the AMD stuff performs just fine.
And as I said, that un-quantifiable interesting trait I get out of AMD stuff. I have a cheapskate streak a mile wide, but I will spend what it takes to get what I want, and best for the money is a high priority. Which is different than most for the money. I'm saying for probably the third time in this thread alone, I can't find a compelling reason to replace my 9590, even now, and it was "slow and old" when I got it. The only thing I can think of, the lowest end intel chip I'd consider, is an i7-4790K on a z97 board, but even if I sell my current stuff to get a board I'd want (and find interesting) I'll still be out another two or three hundred bucks to make it happen. Having a hard time justifying it.
It's like an E30 with an M62 swap, it's still not going to do anything as well as a newer M3, may or may not cost less to buy/build and operate, but it's a hell of a lot more interesting.

I also don't buy cars I'm apt to pass on the road driving around. Lot of my automotive taste bleeds over into other stuff.

Technically not being concerned with TCO, implying long term cost, is not the same as being concerned or not with initial cost. $200 was fine, $300 wasn't, if one wanted to put a number on it I guess. I also went through two 990FX boards, two cases, two pair of video cards and several hard drives till I was content with the build. Oh and three power supplies, and two cooling solutions. None of them were really "up"grades as much as side-grades because I didn't like some attribute. But it was and still is excellent. Of all the niggling gripes I had with any of the parts, the CPU was never one.

 

[Maxima1]

https://www.komplett.dk/amd-fx-6300-black-edition/766049

https://www.komplett.dk/amd-fx-6300-...edition/766049
https://www.komplett.dk/asus-m5a97-r...ket-am3/759848

https://www.komplett.dk/intel-core-i5-4460/815204
https://www.komplett.dk/msi-b85m-e45-socket-1150/794115

Basicly 100$ more for the weakest i5, with a crappy motherboard to boot.
Yeah, enjoy your 5$ electricity bill savings each year, and your locked multiplier .

LOL You guys are a riot. Denmark? Even in the US, power usage erodes any value that AMD can offer.

 

[Chevron]

Like I said, it was only partly the money.
It was a combo of the aggravation with Intel at having so many sockets/chipsets/cpu's on a philosophical level, the practicality of hunting through them to soothe my OCD over picking the absolute best motherboard(for me), and the fact that for my workloads, which really haven't changed in the last fifteen years, the AMD stuff performs just fine.
And as I said, that un-quantifiable interesting trait I get out of AMD stuff. I have a cheapskate streak a mile wide, but I will spend what it takes to get what I want, and best for the money is a high priority. Which is different than most for the money. I'm saying for probably the third time in this thread alone, I can't find a compelling reason to replace my 9590, even now, and it was "slow and old" when I got it. The only thing I can think of, the lowest end intel chip I'd consider, is an i7-4790K on a z97 board, but even if I sell my current stuff to get a board I'd want (and find interesting) I'll still be out another two or three hundred bucks to make it happen. Having a hard time justifying it.
It's like an E30 with an M62 swap, it's still not going to do anything as well as a newer M3, may or may not cost less to buy/build and operate, but it's a hell of a lot more interesting.

I also don't buy cars I'm apt to pass on the road driving around. Lot of my automotive taste bleeds over into other stuff.

Technically not being concerned with TCO, implying long term cost, is not the same as being concerned or not with initial cost. $200 was fine, $300 wasn't, if one wanted to put a number on it I guess. I also went through two 990FX boards, two cases, two pair of video cards and several hard drives till I was content with the build. Oh and three power supplies, and two cooling solutions. None of them were really "up"grades as much as side-grades because I didn't like some attribute. But it was and still is excellent. Of all the niggling gripes I had with any of the parts, the CPU was never one.

Very well said.

 

[Erenhardt]

What if I choose to buy the FX6350+ASUS board.
I save 100$.
I have 10 60watt bulbs in my home.
I use those 100$ saved to buy 10watt LED bulbs.
I save 50$ monthly on my power bill instead of measly 10$.
Potato Tomato.

+1

Also, six core FX performs the same (or very closely most of the time) in games as the 8 core.

I had the opportunity to upgrade to fx8320 for almost free, but decided against it because it was not worth the hassle.

 

[railven]

LOL You guys are a riot. Denmark? Even in the US, power usage erodes any value that AMD can offer.

kwh price in my area doubled.

Considering I have an all electric house, yeah, making sure the lights are off when not used, or the PC is off, and small little things makes a huge difference when it comes to pay the bill.

Not saying this is a pro/con anyone, just some of us are actually looking to save money where we can.

 

[cbn]

Also, six core FX performs the same (or very closely most of the time) in games as the 8 core.

I had the opportunity to upgrade to fx8320 for almost free, but decided against it because it was not worth the hassle.

Here are all the results from the first page of Game GPU Action and FPS listings ( http://gamegpu.ru/тест-gpu/action-/-fps-/-tps/ ) :

 

[cbn]

The FX-8350 wins every game vs. FX-6300. However, the FX-8350 also has a 15% base clockspeed advantage over the FX-6300.

 

[cbn]

Besides mobile doesnt mean higher ASPs, just look at Intel Btrails, they have a negative ASP

The only Bay Trails that have contra revenue are the tablet SKUs (Bay Trail-T)

The Bay Trails aimed at Laptops (Bay Trail-M) don't have the contra revenue.

 

[cbn]

I strongly suspect next year this time, there will still be FX CPU's circulating, hopefully a fair bit cheaper. As I tell my customers often though, why would I lower the price on something if it's already selling? Myself I can't think of anything I was doing last year, or am doing this year, or will be doing next year that my FX box does not blast through with ease. Long as that's the case they can keep popping them out I guess.

My hope is that these FX chips would be feasible beyond being purely an ultra niche product.

If AMD could just upgrade the value so the line could move from ultra niche to niche (ie, gamer) I would be happy enough.

 

[cbn]

Regarding the pricing on the FX-6300 (discussed earlier in the thread), the more I think about it the more I believe AMD should be able to lower that as well.

Currently AMD is selling $40 chips (A4-7300) based on a 246mm Richland (32nn process) die, so is it really hard to believe they couldn't sell a $60 hexcore based on 315mm Vishera (32nn process) six months from now?

 

[Ramses]

9590 (was) out of stock at newegg(again)

someone's buying em

 

[Ramses]

My hope is that these FX chips would be feasible beyond being purely an ultra niche product.

If AMD could just upgrade the value so the line could move from ultra niche to niche (ie, gamer) I would be happy enough.

It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. They might just peter out the FX chips for the newer APU's from a business pov, but who knows. I'd love to see the FX hang on too with a decreasing price. I imagine there is a point where it's not worth bothering with price/volume. Especially if the newer hex stuff is selling well.

 

[cbn]

I'm not sure what's up with the desktop FM stuff, spinoff of mobile that was cheap enough to put in a desktop to rake in a few bucks maybe?

From what I gather Kaveri was supposed to be able to use GDDR5 memory modules. But AMD's partner in the memory business went out of business.

With GDDR5, Kaveri probably would have been fairly decent performer for very low end gamer desktop.

But without that GDDR5, we got left with a cpu with a very large iGPU (on the top SKU) that is basically a bust on the desktop because it doesn't really have the bandwidth.

With that mentioned, I think Mobile is a better situation for Kaveri because in a Laptop form factor having the extra integration is more of an asset. Furthermore, I believe the laptops use the same speed RAM as the OEM desktops....but the GPU is weaker in the laptop (so it doesn't have quite the same need for bandwidth).

 

[cbn]

It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. They might just peter out the FX chips for the newer APU's from a business pov, but who knows.

Regarding cpu performance, it will be interesting to see how the new APUs do. But I question if they will be able to replace the AM3+ Piledriver line-up from a cpu gaming performance standpoint.

The current Athlon x4 860K (which has the fastest clocks in the Kaveri line-up, alongside the A10-7850K) did not do well against FX-6300 in the following benchmarks:

Overclocked results:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36998949&postcount=10
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36998951&postcount=11

(4.5 Ghz Athlon x4 860K just barely wins 1 game out of 15 vs. 4.7 Ghz FX-6300)

Stock clocked results:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37003724&postcount=18
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37003725&postcount=19

(Athlon x4 860K only wins 3 games out of 15 and by a margin of only a few percent vs. FX-6300.)

 

[cbn]

II'd love to see the FX hang on too with a decreasing price. I imagine there is a point where it's not worth bothering with price/volume. Especially if the newer hex stuff is selling well.

There is no newer hex stuff. (quad core is the top SKU for Kaveri)

Piledriver is the only platform with hexcore, the FX-6300 and FX-6350.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Regarding the pricing on the FX-6300 (discussed earlier in the thread), the more I think about it the more I believe AMD should be able to lower that as well.

Currently AMD is selling $40 chips (A4-7300) based on a 246mm Richland (32nn process) die, so is it really hard to believe they couldn't sell a $60 hexcore based on 315mm Vishera (32nn process) six months from now?

32nm is fully mature and payed back. There really isnt anything to gain.

And when you use the absolute lowest bin for the 246mm2, you should as well for the 315mm2. It would be the quadcore FX.

 

[ShintaiDK]

From what I gather Kaveri was supposed to be able to use GDDR5 memory modules. But AMD's partner in the memory business went out of business.

What partner would that have been? I dont recall anyone related to that going out of business. SK Hynix is the company that AMD work close with in terms of memory.

 

[Ramses]

There is no newer hex stuff. (quad core is the top SKU for Kaveri)

Piledriver is the only platform with hexcore, the FX-6300 and FX-6350.

I'm really not up to speed on anything non-FX, I thought there was a hex core APU floating around.

Further bummer-ing that stuff, no M.2 or pci express storage options.
The damn CPU's hold out better than the chipsets, frustrating.
I wouldn't buy anything now that does not have one or the other, or both.

 

[Bradtech519]

9590 (was) out of stock at newegg(again)

someone's buying em

A guy on Universe@home(distributed computing project) is killing it with a 9590. Good performing chip when utilizing all the modules at 5 GHz. I'm pleased with my FX 8350.

 

[Phynaz]

Now you can extrapolate what a 8C Kaveri would yield on a 22nm shrinked process, it would be better than a HW i7 perf/Watt wise.

When will I be able to buy one of these fantasy chips?