<< I'd rather put my vote in for someone who stands no chance >>
Why bother - it's a wasted vote in the 2-party system.
Do away with the communist electoral college system - DIRECT POPULAR VOTE.
./ rant mode - off.
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<< I'd rather put my vote in for someone who stands no chance >>
Why bother - it's a wasted vote in the 2-party system.
Do away with the communist electoral college system - DIRECT POPULAR VOTE.
./ rant mode - off.
I'm waiting for the transcripts for a definitve count, but just how many "top priorites" does Gore have?
Bush did stumble when defending Gore's question about health care in Texas. It could be he couldn't say there are so many Mexican immigrants that it is a difficult problem to deal with.
Gore admitted he lied and said, "I'm sorry, I'll try to do better"
sounded like one of my kids when they are caught doing something wrong.
Bush did stumble when defending Gore's question about health care in Texas. It could be he couldn't say there are so many Mexican immigrants that it is a difficult problem to deal with.
Gore admitted he lied and said, "I'm sorry, I'll try to do better"
sounded like one of my kids when they are caught doing something wrong.
C'mon Red -
Bore stumbled as many if not more times than Bush -
and - was wearing a "Mafia" hairstyle. As good a reason to reject him as any of the arguments against Bush.
Bore is a liar. Look at his eyes. Now - Look at Bush - naw, you don't see it do you?
Didn't think so.
Bore stumbled as many if not more times than Bush -
and - was wearing a "Mafia" hairstyle. As good a reason to reject him as any of the arguments against Bush.
Bore is a liar. Look at his eyes. Now - Look at Bush - naw, you don't see it do you?
Didn't think so.
Etech:
The problem Bush has is that Gore pulls numbers from somewhere, and there are problably hundreds if not thousands of places to pull numbers from. Without knowing ahead of time where he got the numbers from, it is very hard to debate those exact numbers.
On the "Truth Squad" after the debate, they said that Bush's rebuttal of the improvement in Texas was correct, even though the numbers of uninsured children did go up, the overall number of uninsured went down. This does show "improvement", and remember if it last now in the 50 states , and has improved under Bush, that means it was last when he took over.
The problem Bush has is that Gore pulls numbers from somewhere, and there are problably hundreds if not thousands of places to pull numbers from. Without knowing ahead of time where he got the numbers from, it is very hard to debate those exact numbers.
On the "Truth Squad" after the debate, they said that Bush's rebuttal of the improvement in Texas was correct, even though the numbers of uninsured children did go up, the overall number of uninsured went down. This does show "improvement", and remember if it last now in the 50 states , and has improved under Bush, that means it was last when he took over.
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>>Got to admit that the "Mafia look" sure suited... Gore.
What were you watching? Sapranos?
Is that the best you are going to offer tonight?
>>Got to admit that the "Mafia look" sure suited... Gore.
What were you watching? Sapranos?
Is that the best you are going to offer tonight?
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Did you catch that 'Coke snortle " sniffle he did? As soon as it happened ,my mind went to the alledged coke snorting of his.
Ah ,those were the days!
Did you catch that 'Coke snortle " sniffle he did? As soon as it happened ,my mind went to the alledged coke snorting of his.
Ah ,those were the days!
Hate crimes, what the hell was Gore trying to pull? The 3 idiots that killed the black man in Texas are going to die.
Another law is not needed, Gore lost that point.
Is it just me or does anyone else detect a mean streak in Gore?
Mr.C, true, it's impossible to know every statistic that someone can through at you in a debate. I thought Bush overall did very well. Can you imagnine the pressure on both of them know that millions of people are just waiting for the slightest slip-up. I know a President has to be able to handle pressure, but it is still impressive though that they both did as well as they did.
I sure wouldn't want to have to do that.
Tripleshot, "ah those were the days"
I was not aware you snorted coke in those days. It does explain some of your posts though.
Another law is not needed, Gore lost that point.
Is it just me or does anyone else detect a mean streak in Gore?
Mr.C, true, it's impossible to know every statistic that someone can through at you in a debate. I thought Bush overall did very well. Can you imagnine the pressure on both of them know that millions of people are just waiting for the slightest slip-up. I know a President has to be able to handle pressure, but it is still impressive though that they both did as well as they did.
I sure wouldn't want to have to do that.
Tripleshot, "ah those were the days"
I was not aware you snorted coke in those days. It does explain some of your posts though.
<Bush looked great at first but when they started talking in depth about their policies regarding Foriegn Affiars, Health Care,especially childrens health care,the Enviroment and Hate Crimes, Gore was able to articualte his positions where Bush wasn't so successful. Whether you agreed with Gores positions is another issue. >
On health care Bush has the better stance though he is unable to articulate it as well.
No doubt that Gore is better at foreign policy, you expect that with him being the VP for 7 years.
On the environment, this comes down to the positions really. Gore is environment above all else. Bush is environment if it doesnt hurt the economy, federal or local.
Hate crimes, Gore wants more laws against discrimantion based on color, sex, sexual preference. Bush wants all people to be treated equal, making laws that gives special rights to certain groups is wrong in his opinion.
My opinion on who won what:
Foreign affairs, Gore most knowledgeable, Bush better ideals. Debate winner, Gore.
Environment: Gore most knowledgeable, Bush better ideals. Debate winner, Gore.
Health Care: Bush better ideals, Gore pandering for votes. Bush wins on substance.
Discrimination: Bush's plan on fighting discrimantion starts at kindergarten. Home Run for Bush! Education is the key to get out poverty and the way to finally close the economic gap between races.
Major Gaffe of the debate: Gore denying that he is attacking Bush in the add campaign. Such an obvious lie. He can say that he isnt doing the campign people are, but that doesnt wash. It's not that Bush isnt doing the same thing, he just doesnt deny it like Gore did.
Overall Bush wins this debate by a good amount.
On health care Bush has the better stance though he is unable to articulate it as well.
No doubt that Gore is better at foreign policy, you expect that with him being the VP for 7 years.
On the environment, this comes down to the positions really. Gore is environment above all else. Bush is environment if it doesnt hurt the economy, federal or local.
Hate crimes, Gore wants more laws against discrimantion based on color, sex, sexual preference. Bush wants all people to be treated equal, making laws that gives special rights to certain groups is wrong in his opinion.
My opinion on who won what:
Foreign affairs, Gore most knowledgeable, Bush better ideals. Debate winner, Gore.
Environment: Gore most knowledgeable, Bush better ideals. Debate winner, Gore.
Health Care: Bush better ideals, Gore pandering for votes. Bush wins on substance.
Discrimination: Bush's plan on fighting discrimantion starts at kindergarten. Home Run for Bush! Education is the key to get out poverty and the way to finally close the economic gap between races.
Major Gaffe of the debate: Gore denying that he is attacking Bush in the add campaign. Such an obvious lie. He can say that he isnt doing the campign people are, but that doesnt wash. It's not that Bush isnt doing the same thing, he just doesnt deny it like Gore did.
Overall Bush wins this debate by a good amount.
I really liked the international affairs part. I dont think most Americans understand how much international decisions affect us. Beyond that though I thought that Gore did an overall better job than Bush. Bush seemed to stumble a lot and sometimes he didnt even make any sense. Clearly you can see who Im voting for. I dont like eitehr candidate but I dont agree with Bush's economic policies.
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Oh yea baby. I snorted it from rocks as big as your fist right along side fortune 100 executives at partys I used to go to in the 70's.
Smoked alot of good weed too. You would really be surprized at the places I've been and the things I have experienced.
I don't need to hide it.
Why does Bush?
Don't you think it strange that he,as chief law enforcement officer in Texas and going for top law enforcement officer in the country is getting away with his past as jails are full of inmates who's only crime was doing what he himself has done?
That is the height of hypocracy! And you let him slide on that as if it's a non issue.
Oh yea baby. I snorted it from rocks as big as your fist right along side fortune 100 executives at partys I used to go to in the 70's.
Smoked alot of good weed too. You would really be surprized at the places I've been and the things I have experienced.
I don't need to hide it.
Why does Bush?
Don't you think it strange that he,as chief law enforcement officer in Texas and going for top law enforcement officer in the country is getting away with his past as jails are full of inmates who's only crime was doing what he himself has done?
That is the height of hypocracy! And you let him slide on that as if it's a non issue.
<< Is it just me or does anyone else detect a mean streak in Gore? >>
etech,
Somewhat. At least Clinton feels our pain.
<< Neither said anything new. >>
Red Dawn,
Jim Leherrer asked pussy-ass questions. I blame much of that on him.
<< Gore is environment above all else. >>
MrChicken,
Yet I can't help feel he'd flip-flop on any environmental issue if it was politically expedient.
<< Vote.com: >>
Vote.com does not represent a cross-section of america. Basically, those stats mean "conservatives and independents still hate Gore".
etech,
Somewhat. At least Clinton feels our pain.
<< Neither said anything new. >>
Red Dawn,
Jim Leherrer asked pussy-ass questions. I blame much of that on him.
<< Gore is environment above all else. >>
MrChicken,
Yet I can't help feel he'd flip-flop on any environmental issue if it was politically expedient.
<< Vote.com: >>
Vote.com does not represent a cross-section of america. Basically, those stats mean "conservatives and independents still hate Gore".
<< Don't you think it strange that he,as chief law enforcement officer in Texas and going for top law enforcement officer in the country is getting away with his past as jails are full of inmates who's only crime was doing what he himself has done? >>
Don't you think it's strange that Bore can violate federal campaign law and walk?
I do.
<< Vote.com does not represent a cross-section of america. Basically, those stats mean "conservatives and independents still hate Gore >>
Right - The internet is controlled by conservatives. Anyone with half a brain detests Bore and all he stands for.
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What it boils down to for me is that we have a much better chance that the Government will be prevented from intruding further into our lives and pocket books with Bush at the helm rather than Gore.
I also feel that Governor Bush's concept of how we should present ourselves internationally and how we should utilize/support our military will definitely be to our advantage from a global perspective.
Opinionated
I also feel that Governor Bush's concept of how we should present ourselves internationally and how we should utilize/support our military will definitely be to our advantage from a global perspective.
Opinionated
Opinionated... Nice haircut.
There's a couple of folks who will never be able to get out of the mindset that the government owes them a living, that "It's not fair" - that "someone should protect us" - that "it's ok what he does" - just so long as they don't take away my entitlements... ad nauseum.
Fundamental differences once again. Earn what you will - keep what you earn. If you're too lazy to earn - starve.
It's not the government's job to be our mommies and daddies. BORE wants to be your daddy.
There's a couple of folks who will never be able to get out of the mindset that the government owes them a living, that "It's not fair" - that "someone should protect us" - that "it's ok what he does" - just so long as they don't take away my entitlements... ad nauseum.
Fundamental differences once again. Earn what you will - keep what you earn. If you're too lazy to earn - starve.
It's not the government's job to be our mommies and daddies. BORE wants to be your daddy.
<Uh.. what debate were you watching?? Hahaha Bush won..hahaha. Bush did well by not looking like as big a doof as he looked last week but he still didn't articulate crap. Gore wiped the floor with him.
But like I said, it didn't change the minds of either camp and it still doesn't change the fact that Bush Obviously isn't the man for the office and niether is Gore, but at least Gore would know how to do it. >
Bush was clearly more himself throughout the debate. It was easy for everybody to see that Al gore was acting as somebody different and it bothered him. He is not a nice guy when it comes to politics and his acting nice really showed that he was not comfortable being nice. Bush is comfortable being a nice guy, Gore is not. Gore saying he would try but not promise that he would not exagerate anymore was a major blow to his credibility. A potential president that cant keep his facts straight and admits that even if he tries his very best, he may still do it anyway.
Al got caught in his own politics, here he has cried about Bush attacking him. Then he is forced to play the nice guy in the debate and he cant pull it off and gets caught lying about his own campaign attacks against Bush by the moderator.
More importantly the focus group from Missouri, went 12 for Bush, 2 for Gore, 11 undecided as to who won the debate. Far more people in the group had decided upon Bush after this debate than Gore, something like 10 to 2.
It may not have changed any minds already decided, but it appears to have the minds of some of the undecided voters, and overwhelmingly they went for Bush.
Of course that is just a snap poll, and the polls in three days or so will tell the real results.
But like I said, it didn't change the minds of either camp and it still doesn't change the fact that Bush Obviously isn't the man for the office and niether is Gore, but at least Gore would know how to do it. >
Bush was clearly more himself throughout the debate. It was easy for everybody to see that Al gore was acting as somebody different and it bothered him. He is not a nice guy when it comes to politics and his acting nice really showed that he was not comfortable being nice. Bush is comfortable being a nice guy, Gore is not. Gore saying he would try but not promise that he would not exagerate anymore was a major blow to his credibility. A potential president that cant keep his facts straight and admits that even if he tries his very best, he may still do it anyway.
Al got caught in his own politics, here he has cried about Bush attacking him. Then he is forced to play the nice guy in the debate and he cant pull it off and gets caught lying about his own campaign attacks against Bush by the moderator.
More importantly the focus group from Missouri, went 12 for Bush, 2 for Gore, 11 undecided as to who won the debate. Far more people in the group had decided upon Bush after this debate than Gore, something like 10 to 2.
It may not have changed any minds already decided, but it appears to have the minds of some of the undecided voters, and overwhelmingly they went for Bush.
Of course that is just a snap poll, and the polls in three days or so will tell the real results.
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>>Anyone with half a brain detests Bore and all he stands for<<
Damn. What an understatement! You win, Half a brain!!
>>Anyone with half a brain detests Bore and all he stands for<<
Damn. What an understatement! You win, Half a brain!!
Anyone else find it weird that for someone who's supposed to be a top-notch, take-no-prisoners debater, Gore sure isn't handing Bush as ass? Again, the debate format is one reason. Jim Lamhrer is another. But some people including myself really thought Gore would be doing much better in these debates due to his reputation as a great debater and intelligence. Lies all lies??
Yes Jelly - you hit it on the nose.
Everything Bore says is lies - all lies.
Being a top-notch debater won't fool the electorate. He's slimy, a weasel - and wants to be both your mommy and daddy. I've never said GW is the greatest thing since buttered bread -
He's just the better choice.
We get all heated up in this insane "my candidate can beat up your candidate" crap - and not one person has responded to the theme that I continue to point out.
THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM MUST GO - DIRECT POPULAR VOTE IS THE ONLY WAY TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT MAN OR WOMAN FOR THE JOB!
Did you HEAR it this time????
EC is Amerikan communism - and it will never - ever change.
You'll get the right vs. the left every time - and the guy with 'the hair' will win, and we'll all be treated to another Clinton administration - GAG.
Everything Bore says is lies - all lies.
Being a top-notch debater won't fool the electorate. He's slimy, a weasel - and wants to be both your mommy and daddy. I've never said GW is the greatest thing since buttered bread -
He's just the better choice.
We get all heated up in this insane "my candidate can beat up your candidate" crap - and not one person has responded to the theme that I continue to point out.
THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM MUST GO - DIRECT POPULAR VOTE IS THE ONLY WAY TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT MAN OR WOMAN FOR THE JOB!
Did you HEAR it this time????
EC is Amerikan communism - and it will never - ever change.
You'll get the right vs. the left every time - and the guy with 'the hair' will win, and we'll all be treated to another Clinton administration - GAG.
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