Its time to rage against the machine. Gov Paterson needs to go.

Hayabusa Rider

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On the surface it might seem like a good idea but as usual govt screwed the pooch. Gov Paterson gave $200 extra in medicaid EBT accounts for school supplies.

First, I've never spent that much but OK, clothes and whatnot.

Unfortunately they didn't do vouchers. They just gave money.

Well Walmart called the govs office because they were running out of electronics purchased at least in part with ebt cards.

The largest supermarket chain ran out of cash because people would buy merchandise then return it and got cash. They then went for lottery tickets smokes and beer.

We're fucked financially and they pull this stunt with the only untouchable program. A sterling example of an efficiently run program doing incredibly stupid things.

Call and let him have it.
 
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Do you have an article?

I haven't been too happy with push-over Paterson or the entire NYS government for that matter.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I'm on the blackberry so linking is problematic. I know the Democrat and Chronicle had an article but I think it was before the fiasco. Everyone is pissed. I'm in an inner city Rochester med center today and it's pretty nuts. This one hispanic woman was cussing in spanish so fast was funny. It would have been more humorous if our asses didn't hurt from the screwing.
 

Carmen813

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I'm on the blackberry so linking is problematic. I know the Democrat and Chronicle had an article but I think it was before the fiasco. Everyone is pissed. I'm in an inner city Rochester med center today and it's pretty nuts. This one hispanic woman was cussing in spanish so fast was funny. It would have been more humorous if our asses didn't hurt from the screwing.

Yah, they screwed the pooch on this one. I'm working in Rochester right now too. Should have been in the form of something like a coupon (i.e., redeemable only for specific goods) if it was done at all.
 

MotF Bane

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I'm on the blackberry so linking is problematic. I know the Democrat and Chronicle had an article but I think it was before the fiasco. Everyone is pissed. I'm in an inner city Rochester med center today and it's pretty nuts. This one hispanic woman was cussing in spanish so fast was funny. It would have been more humorous if our asses didn't hurt from the screwing.

http://www.democratandchronicl...ays+aid+program+flawed

 

Hayabusa Rider

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Thanks for the link. The report from Tops, Wegmans and Walmart are "anecdotal".

Precious.
 

moshquerade

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The welfare system is broken. New York State is broken. Working people paying more and more for the scotch tape that is futilely trying to put it all back together.

$200 per child for school supplies: The Real Deal

Last Update: 8/13 8:07 pm


Syracuse (WSYR-TV) - Welfare and food stamp recipients Wednesday started getting letters in the mail letting them know extra money they received in their benefit payments this month, is supposed to be used to buy school supplies for their kids.

The problem is, the money was available on their cards Tuesday, and local retailers tell us they were swamped with people cashing in.

The owners of the Sunoco on the corner of Wolf and Grant Street in Syracuse were swamped Tuesday; food stamp recipients, they say, who found an extra $200 per child on their benefit cards, were coming in to cash in.

?One person said she was going to buy a cell phone, I said ?Wow, I thought the money was supposed to be for the kids -- other people were just buying cigarettes and beer,? says Sunoco gas station owner Diane Goly.


It's very possible most of those people didn't even know this cash that mysteriously appeared on their cards was supposed to be used to buy school supplies for their children -- the letters from the state telling them that were still in the mail.

Governor Paterson announced at a press conference Tuesday that he was using $140 million in stimulus money to fund this program -- but prior to that, it seems he kept this allocation close to the vest.

?We hadn't done a lot of planning for it because we didn't know about it,? says Ann Rooney of Onondaga County Human Services.

Social Services had no say in the program or how the cash was distributed; they just learned about it last week and were told not to say anything about it to the public until Tuesday, when the governor announced the program at a press conference.

?We would have liked to have been involved in the process and have some input,? says Rooney.

Congressman Dan Maffei says, ?The Governor gave me no heads up that they were going to do this, so this is a program that the state is implementing without the input of at least our congressional office.?

State Republicans claim the governor developed this plan in secret with no legislative input and it's ripe for fraud and abus
e.

We tried speaking with the governor's office Wednesday about this, and they deferred us to the Office of Temporary Assistance.

They admit the letters should have gone out well in advance of the money, but there was a lot of overhead and they wanted to make sure the cash was out before school started.


With the governor's plan, there's no accountability. His office is just hoping folks do the right thing and spend the extra cash on their kids.

Rooney thinks there may have been a better way to ensure that.

?Perhaps we could have done something with Mary Nelson, who's having her barbecue this weekend and put some of the money in her hands to supplement what she's doing with the backpack giveaway,? she says.
Nelson says she found out about the money and says she?s heard of people using it on other items rather than on their children.

It shocks her, but she says it?s not the children?s fault and that she?ll still help them.

?Maybe those parents should come by and bring some of those supplies, and feel bad for what they did,? Nelson says.

She wishes she could have received at least some of that money; with just days left before the Youth Day Barbecue, she still needs enough supplies to fill up 1,000 backpacks.

She also says she needs about 2,000 backpacks for folks who may not have signed up.
http://www.9wsyr.com/content/n...9qIFUGXyHpwWtrEQw.cspx

Moved from OT.
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meltdown75

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welfare cases not spending their cheques on what they're supposed to?

please oh please tell me you're not surprised....
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: meltdown75
welfare cases not spending their cheques on what they're supposed to?

please oh please tell me you're not surprised....

i am surprised in these times that they are given another $200 PER CHILD to spend instead of agencies handing out the ACTUAL SCHOOL SUPPLIES to them. :|
 

Miramonti

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It's amazing how some people keep digging when they're already in a hole, particularly politicians.
 

meltdown75

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: meltdown75
welfare cases not spending their cheques on what they're supposed to?

please oh please tell me you're not surprised....

i am surprised in these times that they are given another $200 PER CHILD to spend instead of agencies handing out the ACTUAL SCHOOL SUPPLIES to them. :|
someone decided that giving them more money would actually cause them to suddenly spend it on the right things. that person is fail.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: meltdown75
welfare cases not spending their cheques on what they're supposed to?

please oh please tell me you're not surprised....

i am surprised in these times that they are given another $200 PER CHILD to spend instead of agencies handing out the ACTUAL SCHOOL SUPPLIES to them. :|
someone decided that giving them more money would actually cause them to suddenly spend it on the right things. that person is fail.

the whole place is fail from the bottom up.

dammit, let me run the place. first off i would fire everyone.
 

Ronstang

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They shouldn't be getting checks, they should be getting coupons to redeem for specific items....if they get anything at all. These people have proven by their situation that they are not capable of making good decisions. It is amazing the government puts stipulations/strings on most things but simply hands welfare losers cash. Buying votes it a tricky business.
 

jtvang125

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I don't see how a letter is going to make that much difference. The people buying beer and cigs with it are going to buy them with letter or not.
 

mcmilljb

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: meltdown75
welfare cases not spending their cheques on what they're supposed to?

please oh please tell me you're not surprised....

i am surprised in these times that they are given another $200 PER CHILD to spend instead of agencies handing out the ACTUAL SCHOOL SUPPLIES to them. :|
someone decided that giving them more money would actually cause them to suddenly spend it on the right things. that person is fail.

the whole place is fail from the bottom up.

dammit, let me run the place. first off i would fire everyone.

Apply for the job!

Mosh in 09!
 

GasX

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$140 million into the school system would have actually been a good thing. This is just a retarded spectacle in retardedness.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: mcmilljb
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: meltdown75
welfare cases not spending their cheques on what they're supposed to?

please oh please tell me you're not surprised....

i am surprised in these times that they are given another $200 PER CHILD to spend instead of agencies handing out the ACTUAL SCHOOL SUPPLIES to them. :|
someone decided that giving them more money would actually cause them to suddenly spend it on the right things. that person is fail.

the whole place is fail from the bottom up.

dammit, let me run the place. first off i would fire everyone.

Apply for the job!

Mosh in 09!

if it were that easy.... :laugh:
 

Modelworks

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NY needs to do what people in my town do. Parents on welfare/poor rely on community organizations like churches for help with clothing and school supplies. People buy things like paper, backpacks, etc and donate them to the churches to hand out. This year the local church had car loads of stuff people bought and donated.

 

Train

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
They shouldn't be getting checks, they should be getting coupons to redeem for specific items....if they get anything at all. These people have proven by their situation that they are not capable of making good decisions. It is amazing the government puts stipulations/strings on most things but simply hands welfare losers cash. Buying votes it a tricky business.

Welcome to Food Stamps, (debit cards nowadays) concept that was tried, and also failed, many times over.

People would just find a crooked cashier to ring up beer/liquor as groceries, then let him keep an extra 10-20 cents on the dollar. Meanwhile kids starved.

Anyway you slice it, socialism fails. Those you try to help will just fuck you over.

 

ric1287

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reason #1,456,963 why welfare needs to be a temporary solution, mandatory drug tests bi-weekly, and proof of job applications. Why are we not doing this?