It's Time To Play The Association Game: Keating

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Jschmuck2

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I specifically meant Loki. The level of self loathing a gay Republican must possess is astounding.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
If I ever run for office, I'm avoiding former Weathermen like the PLAGUE, and Obama should have done the same

Give me a freaking break. There's a reason this Ayers 'issue' isn't news and that's because there's nothing controversial about it. Yes, Bill ayers did some bad things in the past but it was almost 40 freaking years ago. He's currently employed as a college professor. From his wiki:

Ayers is currently a Distinguished Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, College of Education. His interests include teaching for social justice, urban educational reform, narrative and interpretive research, children in trouble with the law, and related issues.

If the guy was the scoundrel the McCain camp is trying to make him out to be do you think he'd be allowed to teach students?
 

Thump553

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I think, and have always thought, the Keating scandal was a perfectly acceptable topic for discussion this election cycle. It's not a bogus swiftboat type thing, like Ayers is. Keating involved bipartisan corruption by senators to thwart regulatory investigation into a major failing S&L to protect a major political contributor. McCain was in it up to his eyebrows, although he squeaked through the Senate investigations.

We have nearly an identical situation today. Especially with all the money McCain's staff/lobbyists have reached from FNMA and Freddie Mac, this is directly relevant to THE major issue today-one where McCain merely states pious platitudes about cleaning up Wall Street and Washington.
 

dbk

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I think in the eyes of most voters (democrats), this response from Obama will be widely accepted due to the now admitted negative nature of the McCain camp. You can't just take a punch lying down...
However, like most of you have said, the Keating 5 scandal seems more legit and relevant than the Ayer's issue.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
I specifically meant Loki. The level of self loathing a gay Republican must possess is astounding.

Why? Gay people are people. They have a different sexual orientation but in all other ways they are just as nuts on average as other people. All Republicans for example, are voting contrary to their own best interests because they have been persuaded via propaganda that their best interest isn't as important as the haves continuing in power.
 

Jschmuck2

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
I specifically meant Loki. The level of self loathing a gay Republican must possess is astounding.

Why? Gay people are people. They have a different sexual orientation but in all other ways they are just as nuts on average as other people. All Republicans for example, are voting contrary to their own best interests because they have been persuaded via propaganda that their best interest isn't as important as the haves continuing in power.

Get over the politics for a moment. To be a member of a political party that not only wants nothing to do with you but at the same time denies...forget it. C'mon you know the answer here.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
It's no wonder John McCain would rather spend the last month of this election smearing Barack's character instead of talking about the top priority issue for voters.
David Plouffe
Campaign Manager
Obama for America

"And so we're going to follow suit."
 

dbk

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Kristol was just on Fox News and he said that the fact that Obama has come back his own attack on McCain's character, that he has legitimized the Ayers' issue.
I wish Fox News would've gone further into the Ayers' connection or the lack thereof.
Kristol also said since the economy is so big that we should have the right to question one's judgement and character to bring us out of this crisis.
I think he has a point but the attack has to hold some weight, imo.
Ayers' association with Obama pales in comparison to McCain's role in the Keating Five scandal - he was one the five. DUH
 

retrospooty

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: newnameman
Obama must be really worried about his association with Bill Ayers getting explored if he's already bringing out this diversionary garbage.

There's nothing there with Ayers other than he once worked with him on education. McCain being in a scandal that involved investment banking hits closer to home with the current economic crisis. It's dirty politics but it's what wins elections. Though Obama is going to run away with this either way.

Obama did go to his house for a "meet the candidate" thing. My questions are:

1) Why would Obama go to a terrorist's house knowing it would have an impact on his electability for the rest of his life?

2) Why is Ayers stupid enough to associate himself with and sabotage a candidate?

3) Why hasn't Obama come out and said "I didn't know he was a terrorist" or something? He hasn't addressed the event at his house. He's letting himself be swiftboated just like Kerry did. Throwing accusations back the other way isn't going to debunk anything.

Shut up ... http://politicalticker.blogs.c...round-with-terrorists/

 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Originally posted by: loki8481
thank god the democrats are the party of talking about relevant issues..

Could you remind me how a gay man could vote republican again?

I'm not voting for McCain in the GE (though I did in the primaries). I've voted for republicans in the past, because being a single-issue voter is retarded, but Obama's got my vote so far.

but for what it's worth, neither candidate supports gay marriage, Obama's been hedging his bets on DADT, and I believe McCain when he says he wants to leave marriage/civil unions up to the states.

Sidney was opposed to the constitutional ban on gay marriage, hasn't used it as a wedge issue, and obviously isn't a raging bigot when his own chief of staff is gay.
 

yllus

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You have to give the Obama campaign a lot of respect for their impeccable timing in almost everything they've done - this counterattack included.

Just as the economy is front and centre in absolutely every American's mind and it's undeniable that his opponent is trying to smear by association, he finally plays the Keating Five card. His managers have incredible patience.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
It's LIVE now!


Stop watching so I can watch, please. I was a pup when this thing went down and I remember during the convention that McCain said he was an arrogant asshole before he became a POW but saw the light afterwards. Unfortunately, after he was released he proceeded to cheat on his crippled wife with a younger blond, allowed himself to be bought off by bankers, and called his wife a wise and beautiful woman.
 

Zedtom

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Originally posted by: yllus
You have to give the Obama campaign a lot of respect for their impeccable timing in almost everything they've done - this counterattack included.

Just as the economy is front and centre in absolutely every American's mind and it's undeniable that his opponent is trying to smear by association, he finally plays the Keating Five card. His managers have incredible patience.

The American public does have their minds focused on the economy. McCain should focus on it too. His strategists are looking at the polls and realized that they must get people talking about something besides Wall Street.

The Ayers boogeyman from the past strategy is really weak when compared to the Keating/S&L scandals. Banks and bankers are at top of people's sh*tlist right now.

The patience of McCains strategists is weakening. They are dying to come out and just say, "do you really want a black man in the white house?"
 

TechAZ

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"Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".

He's answered for it through an actual investigation. Much different story than Obama's relationship.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: TechAZ
"Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".

He's answered for it through an actual investigation. Much different story than Obama's relationship.

exactly. Wherein McCain was actually investigated for something because he was a part of the Keating 5.

Obama hasn't dont anything wrong.

Glad we are seeing eye to eye.
 

TechAZ

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: TechAZ
"Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".

He's answered for it through an actual investigation. Much different story than Obama's relationship.

exactly. Wherein McCain was actually investigated for something because he was a part of the Keating 5.

Obama hasn't dont anything wrong.

Glad we are seeing eye to eye.

Of course he hasn't....he said he didn't and factcheck.org has done countless INTERNET searches to find out the truth.

sarcasm?
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: TechAZ
"Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".

He's answered for it through an actual investigation. Much different story than Obama's relationship.

What exactly did Obama do wrong here?
 

retrospooty

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TechAZ

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Originally posted by: retrospooty
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: TechAZ
"Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".

He's answered for it through an actual investigation. Much different story than Obama's relationship.

What exactly did Obama do wrong here?

Nothing. http://politicalticker.blogs.c...round-with-terrorists/

Oh, CNN can do internet searches too. All the internet searches in the world will not tell us if he knew what Ayers was and his current views if nobody admits it.