Give me a freaking break. There's a reason this Ayers 'issue' isn't news and that's because there's nothing controversial about it. Yes, Bill ayers did some bad things in the past but it was almost 40 freaking years ago. He's currently employed as a college professor. From his wiki:
If the guy was the scoundrel the McCain camp is trying to make him out to be do you think he'd be allowed to teach students?
Thump553
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I think, and have always thought, the Keating scandal was a perfectly acceptable topic for discussion this election cycle. It's not a bogus swiftboat type thing, like Ayers is. Keating involved bipartisan corruption by senators to thwart regulatory investigation into a major failing S&L to protect a major political contributor. McCain was in it up to his eyebrows, although he squeaked through the Senate investigations.
We have nearly an identical situation today. Especially with all the money McCain's staff/lobbyists have reached from FNMA and Freddie Mac, this is directly relevant to THE major issue today-one where McCain merely states pious platitudes about cleaning up Wall Street and Washington.
We have nearly an identical situation today. Especially with all the money McCain's staff/lobbyists have reached from FNMA and Freddie Mac, this is directly relevant to THE major issue today-one where McCain merely states pious platitudes about cleaning up Wall Street and Washington.
dbk
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I think in the eyes of most voters (democrats), this response from Obama will be widely accepted due to the now admitted negative nature of the McCain camp. You can't just take a punch lying down...
However, like most of you have said, the Keating 5 scandal seems more legit and relevant than the Ayer's issue.
However, like most of you have said, the Keating 5 scandal seems more legit and relevant than the Ayer's issue.
Why? Gay people are people. They have a different sexual orientation but in all other ways they are just as nuts on average as other people. All Republicans for example, are voting contrary to their own best interests because they have been persuaded via propaganda that their best interest isn't as important as the haves continuing in power.
dbk
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Kristol was just on Fox News and he said that the fact that Obama has come back his own attack on McCain's character, that he has legitimized the Ayers' issue.
I wish Fox News would've gone further into the Ayers' connection or the lack thereof.
Kristol also said since the economy is so big that we should have the right to question one's judgement and character to bring us out of this crisis.
I think he has a point but the attack has to hold some weight, imo.
Ayers' association with Obama pales in comparison to McCain's role in the Keating Five scandal - he was one the five. DUH
I wish Fox News would've gone further into the Ayers' connection or the lack thereof.
Kristol also said since the economy is so big that we should have the right to question one's judgement and character to bring us out of this crisis.
I think he has a point but the attack has to hold some weight, imo.
Ayers' association with Obama pales in comparison to McCain's role in the Keating Five scandal - he was one the five. DUH
retrospooty
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I'm not voting for McCain in the GE (though I did in the primaries). I've voted for republicans in the past, because being a single-issue voter is retarded, but Obama's got my vote so far.
but for what it's worth, neither candidate supports gay marriage, Obama's been hedging his bets on DADT, and I believe McCain when he says he wants to leave marriage/civil unions up to the states.
Sidney was opposed to the constitutional ban on gay marriage, hasn't used it as a wedge issue, and obviously isn't a raging bigot when his own chief of staff is gay.
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yllus
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You have to give the Obama campaign a lot of respect for their impeccable timing in almost everything they've done - this counterattack included.
Just as the economy is front and centre in absolutely every American's mind and it's undeniable that his opponent is trying to smear by association, he finally plays the Keating Five card. His managers have incredible patience.
Just as the economy is front and centre in absolutely every American's mind and it's undeniable that his opponent is trying to smear by association, he finally plays the Keating Five card. His managers have incredible patience.
Stop watching so I can watch, please. I was a pup when this thing went down and I remember during the convention that McCain said he was an arrogant asshole before he became a POW but saw the light afterwards. Unfortunately, after he was released he proceeded to cheat on his crippled wife with a younger blond, allowed himself to be bought off by bankers, and called his wife a wise and beautiful woman.
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The American public does have their minds focused on the economy. McCain should focus on it too. His strategists are looking at the polls and realized that they must get people talking about something besides Wall Street.
The Ayers boogeyman from the past strategy is really weak when compared to the Keating/S&L scandals. Banks and bankers are at top of people's sh*tlist right now.
The patience of McCains strategists is weakening. They are dying to come out and just say, "do you really want a black man in the white house?"
"Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".
He's answered for it through an actual investigation. Much different story than Obama's relationship.
He's answered for it through an actual investigation. Much different story than Obama's relationship.
Of course he hasn't....he said he didn't and factcheck.org has done countless INTERNET searches to find out the truth.
sarcasm?
retrospooty
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Oh, CNN can do internet searches too. All the internet searches in the world will not tell us if he knew what Ayers was and his current views if nobody admits it.
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