It's time to end Red state welfare.

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: Nebor
If everyone paid the federal government about 80% less money, we'd all be better off.

QFT

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: hellokeith
I'll make both sides a deal: Let us Texans secede.

Here! Here!

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: piasabird
Tell California to make its own electicity while you are at it!

California produces 78% of its electricity.
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Also, California uses the least electricity per capita in the nation.
California uses 6,732 kwh per person, while Alabama uses 18,624 kwh and Illinois uses 10,771 kwh per person.
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You California haters really need to get a grip.

Perhaps mild climate, 20 Mexicans per house due to massive illegal populations, and large households due to insane housing costs have something to do with it? Economies of scale come into play here.

I wasn't talking about your community, I was talking about the great state of California.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: marincounty
California may be broke right now, but we can still buy and sell your state.

Sure you can, in the middle of letting prisoners go free, closing down state parks, and having a fiscal crisis.

 

[ElFenix]

ah yes, rape the red states for the mercantile interests of wall street for 200 years and then complain when it comes back to bite you in the ass.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: marincounty

California produces 78% of its electricity.
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Intermountain and other California utility-owned coal plants, though outside California, are considered "in-state",

what is 3.5 jiggawatts in comparison to CA's consumption?

 

[Fern]

For blue staters, it's one thing to watch red states pick the President and set national policy on everything from Iraq to judges. But to pay them lavishly for the pleasure suggests that blues aren't just losers, they're stupid losers. You can feel blue anger rising. You reds don't like taxes? Okay, stop taking mine! You can have your states' rights too?and we'll start by cutting your allowance!

This whole "blue state" v "red state" strikes me as mostly an artificial creation, and a stupid/meaningless one at that.

Most states seem to be split pretty evenly between Dem & Repub, so you Dems wanna condem your (49%) minority Dem brethren along with the Repubs in their state?

Besides, other states listed as Red, like mine - NC, have a Dem (blue) state government. So, because NC voted for Bush you're gonna condem this Dem state?

I don't get it.

I suppose we can expect a thread from techs complaining how poor people receive more in federal & state benefits than the rich, compared to income taxes they pay. Funny, but I thought that was the point of Dem efforts at income redistribution.

The real point should be - WHAT is the money going FOR, not where is it going within the USA.

Fern

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: techs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1283489/posts

As students of the federal budget know, the citizens of some states pay more in taxes than they get back from Uncle Sam in grants and benefits. Arnold Schwarzenegger was stunned to learn upon taking office that for every dollar Californians send to Washington, they get back only 77 cents?an imbalance that topped $50 billion in 2003.

But a new analysis in The Great Divide: Retro vs. Metro America, a coffee-table book/political rant by liberal billionaire John Sperling, shows that a fiscal map looks awfully like an electoral map. Between 1991 and 2001, "winner" states got nearly $1 trillion more in federal benefits than they paid in taxes. Alabama won the biggest, raking in $100 billion. Losers California, New York, and Illinois each paid $250 billion or so more than they got back. The huge gaps are driven by higher average incomes in the "donor" states, plus subsidies for farms, oil, mining?"extractive" industries that skew red. There are exceptions (Texas is a loser, Pennsylvania a winner), but the map on this page shows the big picture.

The heist is more impressive considering that the winners have only a third of the U.S. population.

For blue staters, it's one thing to watch red states pick the President and set national policy on everything from Iraq to judges. But to pay them lavishly for the pleasure suggests that blues aren't just losers, they're stupid losers. You can feel blue anger rising. You reds don't like taxes? Okay, stop taking mine! You can have your states' rights too?and we'll start by cutting your allowance!




So California wouldn't HAVE a budget problem if they just received their fair share of the money they pay the feds.
It seems bizarre how many of the Red state lovers like to point out how great their economies are doing. I guess low paying jobs are doing great for Red stater.
Since we have been giving the Red staters huge subsidies for many years, I say its time to get them off the dole.
If they can't be self sufficient in say, 5 years, just like individuals on welfare, cut them OFF.
As it is they are taking the blue state money and using it to subsidize the stealing of blue state jobs.
Heck, if it weren't for the Red state leechers life would be good.

You know, for people who constantly dog Bush and Cheney and anyone who agrees with them for being obsessed with money, liberals sure can seem just as greedy.

I live in New Orleans. Neither I nor anyone I know derives any benefit from the welfare system. My tax money goes to pay for things I don't like too. Such as abortion. If you want to rescind welfare benefits to Louisiana or any other state be my guest, and I'd be glad to see it go. I'm all for forcing people to be responsible, because the alternative is the poverty and squalor you see in welfare states. That's how capitalism is supposed to work anyway. It's harsh and ruthless sometimes, but it's the best solution.

It's reasons like this that I don't understand why no one likes Mike Huckabee, if only because of the FairTax idea.

Well actually, I know exactly why people don't like Mike Huckabee.

 

[SilthDraeth]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: marincounty

California produces 78% of its electricity.
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Intermountain and other California utility-owned coal plants, though outside California, are considered "in-state",

what is 3.5 jiggawatts in comparison to CA's consumption?

It is roughly 20% of total electricity via Coal. And coal is 15.7% of the total in-state electricity.

 

[hellokeith]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: hellokeith
I'll make both sides a deal: Let us Texans secede.

I've got a better deal, let's sell Texas back to Mexico.

Mexico can't afford us.

Besides, we basically stole the land like many of the other states in the union, so I don't think Mexico would take kindly to having to pay.

It is funny you mention this though, because I have on several instances encouraged the US to just annex Mexico as another state. Or Texas could annex Mexico, and form a country called Texaco.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Atreus21
You know, for people who constantly dog Bush and Cheney and anyone who agrees with them for being obsessed with money, liberals sure can seem just as greedy.

I live in New Orleans. Neither I nor anyone I know derives any benefit from the welfare system. My tax money goes to pay for things I don't like too. Such as abortion. If you want to rescind welfare benefits to Louisiana or any other state be my guest, and I'd be glad to see it go. I'm all for forcing people to be responsible, because the alternative is the poverty and squalor you see in welfare states. That's how capitalism is supposed to work anyway. It's harsh and ruthless sometimes, but it's the best solution.

It's reasons like this that I don't understand why no one likes Mike Huckabee, if only because of the FairTax idea.

Well actually, I know exactly why people don't like Mike Huckabee.

You realize every western country besides the US is a welfare state right? Europe is about 10 steps further along then we are in the welfare state idea and they have the highest standards of living in the world... higher then ours. You can say you don't like the idea, but to say it leads to poverty and squalor is not accurate.

 

[Pabster]

Let's dump ALL welfare. Sounds good to me :thumbsup:

 

[Ozoned]

If you think eating is important to have a life in the future, consider the imbalance favoring the red states as an investment in your future rather than Welfare. Heh.