So what? A few exceptions don't change reality. Yes there are a few overrepresented blue states in the Northeast, there are far more overrepresented red states in the Midwest. As for where the HQ's are located, I'm sure there are plenty of them in blue states. It still doesn't change the facts of where federal subsidies are going.
So what? A few exceptions don't change reality. Yes there are a few overrepresented blue states in the Northeast, there are far more overrepresented red states in the Midwest. As for where the HQ's are located, I'm sure there are plenty of them in blue states. It still doesn't change the facts of where federal subsidies are going.
BoomerD
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In MOST of the USA, waitresses and others whose jobs historically include tips get $2.13/hour plus tips. It's only in the civilized parts of America that believe they are entitled to full minimum wage plus tips.
Oddly enough, I've been to restaurants across the country, and in most of them, (comparing chain restaurants) prices are almost exactly the same from state to state...
Starbuck1975
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Ok, let's follow your proposal. In addition to cutting them off, let us also scale wages in the Red States to reflect those commanded by the white collar industries concentrated in the Blue States.
Of course, this will in turn reflect in the cost of goods and services provided by the Red States to the Blue States, mostly in the form of agricultural and assembly line manufactured goods...the cost of distribution centers...the entire supply chain that relies on the relative low cost of operations in Red States as opposed to Blue States.
You cannot play geography in defining federal "welfare." Every American pays into the federal bucket, and the government in turn distributes those tax revenues towards programs that arguably benefit our society as a whole.
We fought a Civil War once over this "us vs. them" mentality.
No, California would still have a budget problem because Sacramento politicians spend money like drunken sailors on shore leave.
What are these jobs you speak of. I know of several major corporations that have their HQ in Blue States and their operations in Red States...the HQs benefit from the proximity to institutions of higher learning, and recruit for positions like Sales, Marketing, Operations, Management, etc...with educated executives in their Ivory Towers in LA and Seattle and Boston and NY making decisions that impact the assembly line worker in rural America.
I have spent time on the factory floor in rural America and in the corporate offices of the Blue States...your partisan spin on this analysis is quite evident.
Specop 007
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Originally posted by: Thump553
Originally posted by: Specop 007
What the hell.....
First Democrats want to raise taxes to give to the poor, and now they bitch about it?!
Oh Christ, the irony is killing me.
Heres a thought..... Maybe those dumbass Democrats should have put more thought into those social programs BEFORE ramming them down everyones throat rather then bitch about it afterwards.
As they say, you sleep in the bed you make. Enjoy it.
You totally distort the original post, and I don't think it is merely a matter of you didn't comprehend it. The premise of the original post, and the study it cites, is that Republican states are getting a disproportionate amount of the federal "largess." The people receiving the benefit of public monies are those that claim a philisophical repugnance of the "welfare state." Address THAT issue.
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I have noticed this time and time again, particularly among businessmen railing against welfare in one breath while in the next seeking tax breaks, subsidies, etc. from the government for their business.
Thats horseshit and you know it. NO ONE is gonna turn down free money. If you found $50 bucks on the ground would you walk away and hope the owner comes for it or pick it up?
Just because we dont want the money available doesnt mean we wont take it if its there to be had.
So the real issue is the Democrats wanted all these social programs and now want to bitch about where the money went.
The opposite side is the Republicans didnt want the programs but since they are available why not use them?
Granted, theres a whoooole bunch of generalizations there but if its going to come down to a simple "Red vs Blue" then generalize I shall.
Addressing the issue in other ways is difficult as the link in the OP doesnt load for me. Without knowing where the money is spent I really cant answer any questions on it.
But I'll take a stab with some assumptions and such.
In regards to ag subsidies, people sure like to bitch about all that money the farmers get. Well, trust me when I say this, farmers have been getting a raw deal for decades. Not years, decades. Now, how many times in recent years have you heard everyone bitch about the price of food. Milk has went up for example, and quite a bit. You get 2 choices my friend. Subsidies or high priced food. Subsidies keep a small portion of the populance bitching. High priced food, EVERYONE bitches.
Same with gas prices. People like to bitch about all that money Big Oil gets, then again they probably dont realize how costly it is to go get that oil. I certainly dont see any lines forming for people to go drill their own oil, do you?
Now again, thats just 2 aspects. Without seeing where the money is spent its difficult to address the issue.
Maybe the majority of the country is Red, even though it is the Blues that yell the loudest.
If liberals spent more time focusing on their own life instead of worrying about everyone else's they would be happier.
If liberals spent more time focusing on their own life instead of worrying about everyone else's they would be happier.
Fern
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Really?
I'd like to see how they've allocated them.
HQ in a blue state (NYC, Chicago etc), likely incorporated in Delaware (blue state) and (non-managerial) farming/mining operations in a red state. How to allocate?
Oh, and if the corporation is incorporated in Delaware, I'll bet the federal tax revenue is credited to a blue state (Del) while the "payout" is listed under a red state. (Federal tax returns do NOT contain data on allocation of income within the USA).
As they say, they are lies, damn lies and statistics".
I can't seem to get to any real data on this. I wouldn't be surprised if SS and/or medicare is in the mix. Work in the Blue state, retire to the red state. Red state gets hit with the "payout". Improper matching of revenue and disbursement etc.
Interstates/roads? Blue state owned company needs to get it's products to blue state customers. Yep, gotta build a highway therough the (rural) red states. Of course that's more highway money per capita, and if it's mountainous terrian more experensive per foot too.
Of course, the red state people have the "luxury" of having their land swiped by the fed gov via eminent domain to build the road or highway.
Fern
Yes they are making record profits.
But they arent the cause of oil prices.
Its simple free market supply and demand, thank China and India for high gas prices.
You didn't specifically state who you were referring to, so JediYoda took it to mean moonbeam. I took it that you were addressing techs.
I actually think that techs is a bigger nutjob that Dave. Techs seems to possess more intelligence, which makes his posts all that more outlandish.
Originally posted by: hellokeith
I'll make both sides a deal: Let us Texans secede.
I've got a better deal, let's sell Texas back to Mexico.
Perhaps mild climate, 20 Mexicans per house due to massive illegal populations, and large households due to insane housing costs have something to do with it? Economies of scale come into play here.
kage69
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LOL, visit Maine sometime...
I've heard a lot of Southern conservatives talk sh!t about another civil war, due I guess to their irritation over differing (and often liberal) views. I suppose those stellar schools down there plum forgot to mention what happened the last time some good ol boys got the undivided attention of gun-adoring Mainiacs.
Why should we end red state welfare? I thought all those abstinence campaigns were working wonders?
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