Its time to end capital punishment in America, Another botched execution tonight...

[werepossum]

Load them up with Heroin. The convicts will die with a smile on their face yay!

Personally I don't want him to die with a smile on his face. I want him gunned down by six trained marksmen, one of whom is firing a wax bullet. I want him to be cold sober and tied to a stake, hopefully remembering the girl he shot with a shotgun, then shot with a handgun, then had buried alive. I see no reason why he should have any more consideration or any more revenge-driven pain than any other rabid animal being put down.

 

[HeXen]

Even the most brutal punishments throughout history don't really do anything other than to make the victims feel more better. I guess that's the point but I would rather look for solutions that prevent heinous crimes....like locking up anyone that acts or dresses weird, that should prevent quite a bit of crime. ...or we need to offer free mental health and enforce mental health services to anyone that even so much as slack jaws or stares at someone for too long.
But the real problem is that capital punishment doesn't even deter murders, never has.

 

[OverVolt]

If you did a survey study of death row I think you'd find that 100% of them are innocent :awe:

 

[cabri]

Even the most brutal punishments throughout history don't really do anything other than to make the victims feel more better. I guess that's the point but I would rather look for solutions that prevent heinous crimes....like locking up anyone that acts or dresses weird, that should prevent quite a bit of crime. ...or we need to offer free mental health and enforce mental health services to anyone that even so much as slack jaws or stares at someone for too long.
But the real problem is that capital punishment doesn't even deter murders, never has.

When the death was swift, it might have some deterrent.
Now that it drags on for years and gets overturned on technicalities; the impact is not that much.
Also, it may seem that the criminals do not value their life as much, to the deterrence factor does not exist.

It still is not an excuse for not implementing it. If one criminal may change their mind, it is worth it.

 

[nehalem256]

But the real problem is that capital punishment doesn't even deter murders, never has.

Maybe. Maybe not.

But it certainly deters BS like this:

The top human rights court in Europe ruled Tuesday that a prison sentence of life without parole is inhuman and degrading treatment, and violates the European Convention of Human Rights. The 16-1 ruling calls into question the life sentences of three men convicted of murder in the United Kingdom, holding that inmates must have some opportunity for their sentences to be reviewed and some prospect for release.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...-prison-without-parole-inhuman-and-degrading/

 

[CitizenKain]

When the death was swift, it might have some deterrent.
Now that it drags on for years and gets overturned on technicalities; the impact is not that much.
Also, it may seem that the criminals do not value their life as much, to the deterrence factor does not exist.

It still is not an excuse for not implementing it. If one criminal may change their mind, it is worth it.

So you are for more innocent people being executed. Why is that?

 

[cabri]

So you are for more innocent people being executed. Why is that?

I am for the guilty being punished.
He was guilty!

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Say what?



http://www.cbsnews.com/news/death-penalty-deters-murders-studies-say/

Death penalty is a deterrent to capital murder.

 

[werepossum]

Death penalty is a deterrent to capital murder.

Well, it's certainly a deterrent in one respect. The number of murders committed by criminals after being executed is zero. The number of murders committed by criminals while serving life sentences is not zero. QED

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Well, it's certainly a deterrent in one respect. The number of murders committed by criminals after being executed is zero. The number of murders committed by criminals while serving life sentences is not zero. QED

Close enough. What about botched executions where the criminal survived the execution and then murders?

 

[desy]

While I'm against the death penalty because it gets it wrong too many times ,about 1 in 20 from the last article I've read, I don't understand why its so hard to put somebody away?
I mean from drugs or physical means we have been doing it to each other for millennia, we are pretty good at it

 

[Jaskalas]

While I'm against the death penalty because it gets it wrong too many times ,about 1 in 20 from the last article I've read, I don't understand why its so hard to put somebody away?
I mean from drugs or physical means we have been doing it to each other for millennia, we are pretty good at it

Can't do it cleanly when people oppose it. See, dysfunction is a natural state of bureaucracy.

 

[werepossum]

Close enough. What about botched executions where the criminal survived the execution and then murders?

lol I'm going to take a wild swing and say that is also zero.

Can't do it cleanly when people oppose it. See, dysfunction is a natural state of bureaucracy.

Well said. That is semi-profound.

 

[shortylickens]

Well, it's certainly a deterrent in one respect. The number of murders committed by criminals after being executed is zero. The number of murders committed by criminals while serving life sentences is not zero. QED

Since many murderers are repeat offenders I suppose its POSSIBLE the death penalty could ultimately be saving lives.
The problem is we just dont know, so its kinda shitty logic.

 

[HeXen]

speedy death would likely result in some innocents, I think that's one of those things we learned from history and probably why things are the way they are. Even executing people publicly didn't really work. Targeting the problem after the fact isn't as good as looking at ways to prevent it and the fear of harsh consequences is not often on their minds before committing a crime.

 

[cabri]

While I'm against the death penalty because it gets it wrong too many times ,about 1 in 20 from the last article I've read, I don't understand why its so hard to put somebody away?
I mean from drugs or physical means we have been doing it to each other for millennia, we are pretty good at it

1 in 20 executed or 1 in 20 convicted?

 

[desy]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/28/innocent-death-penalty-study_n_5228854.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/29/us-usa-crime-death-penalty-idUSBREA3S03320140429

1 in 25 actually

 

[CitizenKain]

I am for the guilty being punished.
He was guilty!

How would you know if you are speedily executing people?

I get it, this guy committed a vile crime and honestly, humanity is probably a little better off with him not in it.

But, how do you always know everyone on death row is 100% guilty? Its proven multiple times that they all aren't.
Why is it suddenly ok for a few innocent people to get murdered by the government just so you can feel better? Is that what you want? The satisfaction of knowing that you are pretty reasonably sure that the right person was sent to the execution chamber? Or at the least the person who couldn't afford a good attorney and was railroaded by the prosecutor? The guy who just happened to look kinda like the suspect, does he deserve to die?

 

[cuafpr]

How would you know if you are speedily executing people?

I get it, this guy committed a vile crime and honestly, humanity is probably a little better off with him not in it.

But, how do you always know everyone on death row is 100% guilty? Its proven multiple times that they all aren't.
Why is it suddenly ok for a few innocent people to get murdered by the government just so you can feel better? Is that what you want? The satisfaction of knowing that you are pretty reasonably sure that the right person was sent to the execution chamber? Or at the least the person who couldn't afford a good attorney and was railroaded by the prosecutor? The guy who just happened to look kinda like the suspect, does he deserve to die?

could always be the ones that admit, you have video/pic evidence , DNA etc.... some are without a doubt guilty and still sit in the system forever.

 

[MetalMat]

Want to avoid botched executions? Get rid of this girly crap, get a rope and hang them. To make sure nothing goes wrong have a firing squad shoot the person right before the hanging. Problem solved.

 

[Sulaco]

If you want to debate the merits or lack thereof of capital punishment laws, there are plenty of legitimate cases to be made for both sides.
That a cold-blooded, psychopathic murderer of two defenseless women in the most brutal of fashions felt some discomfort moments before his scheduled demise is not one of them.

That a piece of rat filth wasn't whisked to slumberland by magical pixies in the gentlest of ways is not going to keep me up at nights, thanks.

 

[piasabird]

Just chop their head off. That is humane. It is definitely quick.

 

[cabri]

Texas is going forward
http://news.yahoo.com/texas-set-first-execution-since-botched-case-210755167.html

HUNTSVILLE, Texas (AP) — Texas will carry out on Tuesday the first U.S. execution since a botched lethal injection in Oklahoma last month unless attorneys for a man convicted of murdering a Houston bank teller can convince a court that he runs the same risk of the punishment going awry.

Texas was not using a new method of execution and did not employ the three-drug procedure used in Oklahoma, they said. Texas had carried out three executions with the new drug supply and courts already had ruled the process was acceptable, the state said.

From one of the comments:

I find it quite interesting that these big tough guys who can rape and murder at will, and some can be so vicious in their attacks, but when the tables are turned they are the first to cry foul. I should not have to suffer that way, it's just not right that you should make me endure such suffering and pain. Shut your whining mouth and take your lumps. You gave no such thoughts to your victim or the family of the victim.
I give you as much sympathy as you gave your victim.

 

[CitizenKain]

Considering Texas considers the rape of minors of prison as a good thing, it isn't a surprise that Texas would push ahead with executions. Also Perry gleefully sent a more then likely innocent man to death so he could act tough because the simpletons who voted him in get off on that.

 

[TerryMathews]

Considering Texas considers the rape of minors of prison as a good thing, it isn't a surprise that Texas would push ahead with executions. Also Perry gleefully sent a more then likely innocent man to death so he could act tough because the simpletons who voted him in get off on that.

Question: why is the age the problem? If you find prison rape abhorrent you should feel the same for a 12 year old as a 60 year old.