Its official... Same sex marriage April 27th

[sportage]

The local state republicans have tried every dirty trick in the book, in the good ole state of iOwa, to derail same sex marriage from taking place on April 27th.
The IA Supreme Court ruled in favor of same sex marriage two weeks ago.
Since then holly hell has broken out between democrats and republicans in the state house.

But the tricks and shouts failed. Some interesting links:

State Recorders Warned

New forms / applications sent out

Clerks Must Obey Marriage Ruling

Looks like old John Mccain advisor came onboard today too:

Mccain - "Give it up fellow republicans"

PS. some fun links from the interesting to the bazaar
Plan u Wedding in iOwa

Isnt this how Hitler started??? "Do as I say, not the law"

 

[glenn1]

Originally posted by: sportage
Looks like old John Mccain came onboard today too:

Mccain - "Give it up fellow republicans"

The story you linked is about a McCain advisor. If McCain himself did speak in support of gay marriage, please link that article instead.

 

[EXman]

ANother dictation by a court.

Hasn't every single gay marriage refferendnum failed miserably? something like 0-38.

Courts suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I know the courts are supposed to uphold laws but to often they end up legislating from the bench giving them more than their share of the 1/3 of power they should weild.

Regardless of political party I think legislating from the bench isn't American.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: EXman
ANother dictation by a court.

Hasn't every single gay marriage refferendnum failed miserably? something like 0-38.

Courts suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I know the courts are supposed to uphold laws but to often they end up legislating from the bench giving them more than their share of the 1/3 of power they should weild.

Regardless of political party I think legislating from the bench isn't American.

I can't help but think people were saying the exact same thing half a century ago during the civil rights movement... It's absolutely eerie to me that statements like this could have just as easily been used to oppose desegregation, women's suffrage, etc.

 

[jpeyton]

Same sex marriage will be legal eventually, why not now? I don't understand why conservatives want to kick and scream to delay the inevitable.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: EXman
ANother dictation by a court.

Hasn't every single gay marriage refferendnum failed miserably? something like 0-38.

Courts suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I know the courts are supposed to uphold laws but to often they end up legislating from the bench giving them more than their share of the 1/3 of power they should weild.

Regardless of political party I think legislating from the bench isn't American.

So can we safely say you support denying the same rights other people have to a group of people who just happen to be gay?

Since when can we the people deny others the same rights that we have???

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: EXman
ANother dictation by a court.

Hasn't every single gay marriage refferendnum failed miserably? something like 0-38.

Courts suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I know the courts are supposed to uphold laws but to often they end up legislating from the bench giving them more than their share of the 1/3 of power they should weild.

Regardless of political party I think legislating from the bench isn't American.

And denying a minority groiup their rights is American?

Your priorities are wrong.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: EXman
ANother dictation by a court.

Hasn't every single gay marriage refferendnum failed miserably? something like 0-38.

Courts suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I know the courts are supposed to uphold laws but to often they end up legislating from the bench giving them more than their share of the 1/3 of power they should weild.

Regardless of political party I think legislating from the bench isn't American.

*shakes head*

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Same sex marriage will be legal eventually, why not now? I don't understand why conservatives want to kick and scream to delay the inevitable.

Well, can't take away a wedge point...

/but sadly those "conservatives" are in many party lines........

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: EXman
ANother dictation by a court.

Hasn't every single gay marriage refferendnum failed miserably? something like 0-38.

Courts suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I know the courts are supposed to uphold laws but to often they end up legislating from the bench giving them more than their share of the 1/3 of power they should weild.

Regardless of political party I think legislating from the bench isn't American.

I can't help but think people were saying the exact same thing half a century ago during the civil rights movement...

Tired arguement... apples and oranges... gay agenda does not equal civil rights movement. Not by a longshot.

Gays can do anything anyone else does now.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: EXman
ANother dictation by a court.

Hasn't every single gay marriage refferendnum failed miserably? something like 0-38.

Courts suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I know the courts are supposed to uphold laws but to often they end up legislating from the bench giving them more than their share of the 1/3 of power they should weild.

Regardless of political party I think legislating from the bench isn't American.

And denying a minority groiup their rights is American?

Your priorities are wrong.

So gay people cannot go get married tomorrow? Why is that?

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: EXman
ANother dictation by a court.

Hasn't every single gay marriage refferendnum failed miserably? something like 0-38.

Courts suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I know the courts are supposed to uphold laws but to often they end up legislating from the bench giving them more than their share of the 1/3 of power they should weild.

Regardless of political party I think legislating from the bench isn't American.

I can't help but think people were saying the exact same thing half a century ago during the civil rights movement...

Tired arguement... apples and oranges... gay agenda does not equal civil rights movement. Not by a longshot.

Gays can do anything anyone else does now.

except have a legally recognized marriage to the person he/she loves if that person happens to be of the same sex.

talk about tired arguments dude...

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: EXman
ANother dictation by a court.

Hasn't every single gay marriage refferendnum failed miserably? something like 0-38.

Courts suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I know the courts are supposed to uphold laws but to often they end up legislating from the bench giving them more than their share of the 1/3 of power they should weild.

Regardless of political party I think legislating from the bench isn't American.

I can't help but think people were saying the exact same thing half a century ago during the civil rights movement...

Tired arguement... apples and oranges... gay agenda does not equal civil rights movement. Not by a longshot.

Gays can do anything anyone else does now.

Tired arguments? Why? Most people don't want to pay their taxes or wear their seat belts... If so, then courts do suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I can think of MANY .... MANY examples were the courts go against the people.

As for gay marriage it was a GWB slam and it was wrong to target a minority group. You'd have to be blind to think the MAJORITY 1 man 1 woman / and the church were NOT mostly for opposing gay people. Especially with all the propaganda in millions if not billions being spent on commercials telling people how wrong it was.

Now that Bush is out of office he can't play his stupid game from his ranch things are changing rather quickly...

I have no problem with it. I say get with the program. Normally I'd agree with you on other issues but I won't agree with you on this one. Since I'm not a church goer and I believe religion is scared of gay people since it's written in the bible to look down upon them and religion is just wrong to begin with. That is what you get when you have too much religious control. Again, get over it and get with the program because major changes are going to happen.

apples and oranges? here is your watermelon!

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: EXman
ANother dictation by a court.

Hasn't every single gay marriage refferendnum failed miserably? something like 0-38.

Courts suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I know the courts are supposed to uphold laws but to often they end up legislating from the bench giving them more than their share of the 1/3 of power they should weild.

Regardless of political party I think legislating from the bench isn't American.

I can't help but think people were saying the exact same thing half a century ago during the civil rights movement...

Tired arguement... apples and oranges... gay agenda does not equal civil rights movement. Not by a longshot.

Gays can do anything anyone else does now.

I guess I must have missed the post(s) where you've disproved that.

Could you please re-explain it here so that I can understand what crazy rock you're coming out from under?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: EXman
ANother dictation by a court.

Hasn't every single gay marriage refferendnum failed miserably? something like 0-38.

Courts suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I know the courts are supposed to uphold laws but to often they end up legislating from the bench giving them more than their share of the 1/3 of power they should weild.

Regardless of political party I think legislating from the bench isn't American.

And denying a minority groiup their rights is American?

Your priorities are wrong.

Are you for or against polygamy?

I am for gay rights btw.

 

[Lazy8s]

Originally posted by: EXman
ANother dictation by a court.

Hasn't every single gay marriage refferendnum failed miserably? something like 0-38.

Courts suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I know the courts are supposed to uphold laws but to often they end up legislating from the bench giving them more than their share of the 1/3 of power they should weild.

Regardless of political party I think legislating from the bench isn't American.

What? Did you read the ruling? If "legislating from the bench" is code for "enforcing the constitution" then you're right. The whole point of the court system is to uphold the laws. Constitutions trump legislation unless it is a constitutional amendment. The gay marriage ban was declared unconstitutional oppression of a minority (which it is), therefore the law was upheld. Much the same way the constitution would be upheld if the people of Iowa had voted on a law banning Jews from practicing their religion.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: Lazy8s

Originally posted by: EXman
ANother dictation by a court.

Hasn't every single gay marriage refferendnum failed miserably? something like 0-38.

Courts suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I know the courts are supposed to uphold laws but to often they end up legislating from the bench giving them more than their share of the 1/3 of power they should weild.

Regardless of political party I think legislating from the bench isn't American.

What? Did you read the ruling? If "legislating from the bench" is code for "enforcing the constitution" then you're right. The whole point of the court system is to uphold the laws. Constitutions trump legislation unless it is a constitutional amendment. The gay marriage ban was declared unconstitutional oppression of a minority (which it is), therefore the law was upheld. Much the same way the constitution would be upheld if the people of Iowa had voted on a law banning Jews from practicing their religion.

Apparently he doesn't understand the concept behind a constitutional republic.

 

[sandorski]

Tyrranny of the Majority Now!

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: EXman
ANother dictation by a court.

Hasn't every single gay marriage refferendnum failed miserably? something like 0-38.

Courts suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I know the courts are supposed to uphold laws but to often they end up legislating from the bench giving them more than their share of the 1/3 of power they should weild.

Regardless of political party I think legislating from the bench isn't American.

I can't help but think people were saying the exact same thing half a century ago during the civil rights movement...

Tired arguement... apples and oranges... gay agenda does not equal civil rights movement. Not by a longshot.

Gays can do anything anyone else does now.

Tired arguments? Why? Most people don't want to pay their taxes or wear their seat belts... If so, then courts do suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I can think of MANY .... MANY examples were the courts go against the people.

As for gay marriage it was a GWB slam and it was wrong to target a minority group. You'd have to be blind to think the MAJORITY 1 man 1 woman / and the church were NOT mostly for opposing gay people. Especially with all the propaganda in millions if not billions being spent on commercials telling people how wrong it was.

Now that Bush is out of office he can't play his stupid game from his ranch things are changing rather quickly...

I have no problem with it. I say get with the program. Normally I'd agree with you on other issues but I won't agree with you on this one. Since I'm not a church goer and I believe religion is scared of gay people since it's written in the bible to look down upon them and religion is just wrong to begin with. That is what you get when you have too much religious control. Again, get over it and get with the program because major changes are going to happen.

apples and oranges? here is your watermelon!

So it is George Bushes fault that california 3 times voted against gay marriage or 35 other refferendums did the same? That is lunacy.

I think it was the opposite. In Ohio especially in 2004. People came out to vote against gay marriage and then overwhelmingly voted for Bush on the same ballot. Many were not Happy with Bush but since they were there voting against gay marriage why not vote against Kerry. He was easy not to like.

I'm tired of gay agenda.
I'm tired of arrogant people that think the word change = good.
Tired of People telling me that Terroists have rights, But I cannot carry a gun.
Tired of Perverts have a right to form a club where they tell of stories of raping small children calling that free speech. But If I stand up and say I want laws already on the books enforced I'm a racist. And should be accordingly dealt with.
I'm tired of hearing How Obama is a community organizer but if I do the same thing I'm a GOP operative and deseve to be killed.
I'm Tired of the media. nuff said.
I'm Tired of the GOP especially Mitch McConnell Jerk!
I'm Tired of Wasteful Spending. No Pork Period You hear me Mitch?!
I'm Tired of Politicians telling me they know how to spend MY MONEY better than I do.
I'm Tired of ALL Politicians. Term limits NOW! Kudos to Fred Thompson for keeping your word.
Tired of Unborn Children not having rights and how is it if you kill a pregnant lady you have killed two people but if you CHOOSE to open your legs as long as you see a doctor he can go in and vacuum the brains out or go in there with a rake and kill it.
Tired of people persecuting Christians and holding up other faiths with kid gloves.
I'm More tired of Christians who are not Christians but just pew warmers.
I'm Tired of one size fits all.
I'm Tired of poorly made Chinese Products.
I'm Tired of typing. I suck at it.
I'm just pretty tired...

g'nite

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: Lazy8s

Originally posted by: EXman
ANother dictation by a court.

Hasn't every single gay marriage refferendnum failed miserably? something like 0-38.

Courts suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I know the courts are supposed to uphold laws but to often they end up legislating from the bench giving them more than their share of the 1/3 of power they should weild.

Regardless of political party I think legislating from the bench isn't American.

What? Did you read the ruling? If "legislating from the bench" is code for "enforcing the constitution" then you're right. The whole point of the court system is to uphold the laws. Constitutions trump legislation unless it is a constitutional amendment. The gay marriage ban was declared unconstitutional oppression of a minority (which it is), therefore the law was upheld. Much the same way the constitution would be upheld if the people of Iowa had voted on a law banning Jews from practicing their religion.

Apparently he doesn't understand the concept behind a constitutional republic.

It's bullshit a gay person can get married in every state of the Union. They are not enforcing the law they are redefining marriage.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: EXman

It's bullshit a gay person can get married in every state of the Union. They are not enforcing the law they are redefining marriage.

Why do you even care? Clearly you are against gay marriage, so by all means, exercise your freedom and dont marry a gay. :|

 

[sportage]

Why do you even care? Clearly you are against gay marriage, so by all means, exercise your freedom and dont marry a gay.

Thats kinda the attitude the gov of iOwa took.
He once said when running, he did not support same sex marriage.
But the unanimous court ruling took everyone by surprise.
And many opponents took time to reconsider.

So in short, the gov supported his change of heart by saying it was the church
against gay marriage, not the state. And even with this ruling, the church (some) can and will refuse to marry two same sex couples. The church can do what it wants, but the state goes by the law.

I thought that was a brilliant definition of separation of church and state.
And he's right!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: sportage

Why do you even care? Clearly you are against gay marriage, so by all means, exercise your freedom and dont marry a gay.

Thats kinda the attitude the gov of iOwa took.
He once said when running, he did not support same sex marriage.
But the unanimous court ruling took everyone by surprise.
And many opponents took time to reconsider.

So in short, the gov supported his change of heart by saying it was the church
against gay marriage, not the state. And even with this ruling, the church (some) can and will refuse to marry two same sex couples. The church can do what it wants, but the state goes by the law.

I thought that was a brilliant definition of separation of church and state.
And he's right!

:thumbsup:

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: EXman

Courts suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I know the courts are supposed to uphold laws but to often they end up legislating from the bench giving them more than their share of the 1/3 of power they should weild.

Name one example please.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: EXman
ANother dictation by a court.

Hasn't every single gay marriage refferendnum failed miserably? something like 0-38.

Courts suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I know the courts are supposed to uphold laws but to often they end up legislating from the bench giving them more than their share of the 1/3 of power they should weild.

Regardless of political party I think legislating from the bench isn't American.

I can't help but think people were saying the exact same thing half a century ago during the civil rights movement...

Tired arguement... apples and oranges... gay agenda does not equal civil rights movement. Not by a longshot.

Gays can do anything anyone else does now.

Tired arguments? Why? Most people don't want to pay their taxes or wear their seat belts... If so, then courts do suck when they go against the peoples wishes. I can think of MANY .... MANY examples were the courts go against the people.

As for gay marriage it was a GWB slam and it was wrong to target a minority group. You'd have to be blind to think the MAJORITY 1 man 1 woman / and the church were NOT mostly for opposing gay people. Especially with all the propaganda in millions if not billions being spent on commercials telling people how wrong it was.

Now that Bush is out of office he can't play his stupid game from his ranch things are changing rather quickly...

I have no problem with it. I say get with the program. Normally I'd agree with you on other issues but I won't agree with you on this one. Since I'm not a church goer and I believe religion is scared of gay people since it's written in the bible to look down upon them and religion is just wrong to begin with. That is what you get when you have too much religious control. Again, get over it and get with the program because major changes are going to happen.

apples and oranges? here is your watermelon!

So it is George Bushes fault that california 3 times voted against gay marriage or 35 other refferendums did the same? That is lunacy.

I think it was the opposite. In Ohio especially in 2004. People came out to vote against gay marriage and then overwhelmingly voted for Bush on the same ballot. Many were not Happy with Bush but since they were there voting against gay marriage why not vote against Kerry. He was easy not to like.

I'm tired of gay agenda.
I'm tired of arrogant people that think the word change = good.
Tired of People telling me that Terroists have rights, But I cannot carry a gun.
Tired of Perverts have a right to form a club where they tell of stories of raping small children calling that free speech. But If I stand up and say I want laws already on the books enforced I'm a racist. And should be accordingly dealt with.
I'm tired of hearing How Obama is a community organizer but if I do the same thing I'm a GOP operative and deseve to be killed.
I'm Tired of the media. nuff said.
I'm Tired of the GOP especially Mitch McConnell Jerk!
I'm Tired of Wasteful Spending. No Pork Period You hear me Mitch?!
I'm Tired of Politicians telling me they know how to spend MY MONEY better than I do.
I'm Tired of ALL Politicians. Term limits NOW! Kudos to Fred Thompson for keeping your word.
Tired of Unborn Children not having rights and how is it if you kill a pregnant lady you have killed two people but if you CHOOSE to open your legs as long as you see a doctor he can go in and vacuum the brains out or go in there with a rake and kill it.
Tired of people persecuting Christians and holding up other faiths with kid gloves.
I'm More tired of Christians who are not Christians but just pew warmers.
I'm Tired of one size fits all.
I'm Tired of poorly made Chinese Products.
I'm Tired of typing. I suck at it.
I'm just pretty tired...

g'nite

Oh yeah, everyone is out to get you.

Go get some book learnin' and come back when you have something valid to add.

The gay agenda, what a fucking joke. What exactly is the gay agenda?