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It's Obama's presidency, but Bush's world

dmcowen674

No Lifer
7-3-2014

http://news.yahoo.com/-it-s-obama-s-presidency--but-bush-s-world-083705971.html

It's Obama's presidency, but Bush's world

Believe it or not, it was 10 years ago this month that Barack Obama, then a candidate for the U.S. Senate, introduced himself to America with a speech that shook the Fleet Center in Boston. The main theme of that Democratic convention was the litany of George W. Bush's failures — an unpopular and unending war in Iraq, a faltering image abroad, a stagnating middle class. Obama gave eloquent voice to those frustrations, arguing that all of them could be addressed if only we reunited the electorate.

Probably Obama himself would not have guessed then that he would ascend to the White House just four years later. But he certainly wouldn't have imagined that a full decade on, nearing the halfway point in his second term, he would find himself dragged down by precisely the same set of issues that vexed his predecessor.


After a month that saw Iraq unravel and job growth continue to plod along, while the stock market soared, the central paradox of the Obama years, as historians will undoubtedly view it, has never been clearer.



It's Obama's presidency, but he's still governing in Bush's world.

It's hard to think of any second-term president in the past century, at least, who's been so completely consumed by issues he inherited. With the notable exception of the health care law, which will stand as his signature initiative, Obama's agenda has been dominated by crises that predated his tenure

The defining issue of Obama's presidency remains an economic recovery that continues to leave behind most Americans while enriching a relative few

The question great thinkers will long debate, of course, is exactly why Obama has remained so imprisoned by his predecessor's choices. Will history treat Obama as a victim of the dire circumstance?

Bush didn't create the uncorking of religious and nationalist extremism, or the rise of borderless capital and the decline of American industry, or the retirement of the boomers, or the steadily rising temperatures in the Arctic.

It's true he didn't seem very well-equipped to deal with any of them, and his policy solutions — democratization by force, bottomless tax cuts, the deregulation of industry — mostly made things worse.

Ultimately, history will likely record both Bush and Obama as presidents grappling in different ways with the same array of overarching change, at the dawn of a long period of readjustment. We may yet find some national consensus about how to confront it. In the meantime, we might as well settle in.
 
Some America hating bloke wrote a thread yesterday on how Obama is the worst President of all to date and I rebuked why.

Here is an article backing up my rebuke.

It's all still BUSH's fault
 
Cop out dick chugging partisan tripe. Reagan and Roosevelt moved fucking mountains - face it your boy is bought and sold like Bush. He's infected with bush because he is bush. Albeit a hell of a lot smarter and charming you fools bought the lie well enough though and are still in denial.
 
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Cop out dick chugging partisan tripe. Reagan and Roosevelt moved fucking mountains - face it your boy is bought and sold like Bush. He's infected with bush because he is bush. Albeit a hell of a lot smarter and charming you fools bought the lie well enough though and are still in denial.

It's clear you hate not just Obama but America but OK, I'll bite.

Speaking of Partisan, you brought it up:

Do you think Obama's Presidency would have been different if he had a Democrat Congress?

Simple Yes or No
 
They would have banned a lot of guns. Other than that no. We saw what they did when they had majority. Nothing but a bailout to hospitals and insurance companies ACA,
 
Cop out dick chugging partisan tripe. Reagan and Roosevelt moved fucking mountains - face it your boy is bought and sold like Bush. He's infected with bush because he is bush. Albeit a hell of a lot smarter and charming you fools bought the lie well enough though and are still in denial.

This.

Bush: 15 years of Presidency and counting.
 
Thread summary: Bu..bu..bu...Buuuuuuuuuuuuuusssshhhhhhh!

Hey, that reminds me, I think it is about that time of year where I ask -- has Obama thrown Bush and Cheney in jail yet like a certain poster promised us? Maybe I need to find that thread and bump it again.....

HOPE! CHANGE! NAIVE SIMPLETON!!

Some America hating bloke wrote a thread yesterday on how Obama is the worst President of all to date and I rebuked why.

Here is an article backing up my rebuke.

It's all still BUSH's fault

You didn't rebuke anything. You saying "Obama is NOT the worst president!" is not a rebuke.
 
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While I may not have all out love for the man he has basically been ineffectual because of the deficit and the wars.

In some ways that was a good thing in the sense that many of his more progressive ideas didnt get put into place because the country had to recover first.

If I look coldly at my stock portfolio and my taxes they are doing as well as they did in the 90s.....

Since hes been president the stock market recovered and so did most of peoples long term saving goals because of the damnable use of 401ks vs real retirements.

Sure Obama made some mistakes but they pale in comparison to the gaffes and misteps of the previous administration. Lets be clear who made shit up about WMDs and turned the middle east into a powder keg?




Just so you guys know hes deported more mexicans than bush and NOT ONE SINGLE diminishment of peoples right to make love to their guns has been passed.


So circle jerk on unless you guys want to actually discuss this.


I find it even funnier how Obama and our favorite Georgia peanut vendor are held to higher standards than GWB and Reagan.

Whats also funny to me is how Reagan turned into a saint and he raised more taxes than Obibble and Bubba combined.


Question for Zebo. How much higher are your taxes now vs the 90s?


hey dave still have your motorcycle? We should go for a ride in brown county sometime some nice roads down there.
 
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Why is it the left cant seem to understand that Obama is Bush 2.0 on many fronts? They always have an excuse or wont believe Obama is capable of the same stupid mistakes. Or worse expanding on policies of Bush? They act like Obama is a child that cant lead his way out of Bush policies.
 
It's clear you hate not just Obama but America but OK, I'll bite.

Speaking of Partisan, you brought it up:

Do you think Obama's Presidency would have been different if he had a Democrat Congress?

Simple Yes or No

It's like the first two years of Obama's presidency didn't exist. You know where he had super majority status in the house and 1 seat away from it in the senate? Majorities no president has had for decades.
 
Wrong. He just changed how they count 'deportations' -- actual deportations (ie, the way they have always been counted) are down, as expected.

The same with the unemployment figures. The numbers for what is being claimed simply do not add up correctly.
 
he's pretty much bush 44. and i dont get how he could be so unpopular when such a small number of people want their state to secede. secession 2016 or bust.
 
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good god. still blaming bush? this tells you how fucking bad obama is.


though in reality he is no different from bush, clinton or whoever wins next. They are all bought.
 
Democrat presidents recently, like Clinton and Obama, have been incrementalists, whereas Republican presidents have been radicals. So of course, Democrats end up playing off the frame left to them by Republicans, instead of setting their own. Obama has no one to blame but himself for not putting forward a far reaching transformative progressive agenda when the financial crisis happened. He decided to cozy up to corporations instead. That's on him.
 
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