It's Here. ACA.

[sportage]

What is getting at me are republicans on TV claiming the ACA website so awful simply because the site is somehow the example of ACA failure.
Republicans WILL NOT consider the idea that maybe the reason is with so many people desperately wanting a chance at ANY type of healthcare, that the site has been overwhelmed.

And the second falsehood is with Obamacare haters claiming the young healthy people do not want healthcare.
BULL CRAPPY!!! TOTAL BS !!!!!
To blatantly suggest young working people are dead beats, would rather pay a "fine" than buy insurance, prefer to go to some ER for treatment, is outlandish.
And a TREMENDOUS insult to young folks.

How dare republicans make that assumption.
Sure, there might have been like .0001% of a few young people against buying their own healthcare, and knowing how the republican spin machine works, these kids were probably all paid by the tea party liars.

Who is crashing the ACA website?
Young folks.
The waiter and waitress not offered employer healthcare.
The retail sales men and women that have no opportunities for insurance.
The single mothers.
The cab drivers.
The hamburger slingers.
The taco slingers.
The "you want fires with that?" window workers.

Yes THOSE are the folks not only willing but desperate for their own healthcare.
And republicans, even suggesting these healthy younger kids are not interested in healthcare, is total crap. A huge insult. HUGE!!!

Calling them dead beats.
Or suggesting they prefer to wait HOURS in some ER to see a doctor.
Have you ever been in an ER?
Its awful!!!
You wait and wait and wait. Siting with others that have been maybe stabbed, shot, beaten by a spouse, or parents with screaming kids sick with fever and hacking coughs.
No... going to the ER is NOT ones preferred medical plan, regardless of insurance.

Young folks are NOT stupid, nor dead beats willing to pay fines over buying real healthcare.
And damn, I want to see just "ONE" TV interviewer on CNN or whatever challenge tis republican idea that these young healthy kids do not want or will not take ACA.
What a F-king lie.

Some uninsured segment of society has been overwhelming the ACA website.
And they are not all grandmas needing hip replacements.
We know who they are.
They are that kid that handed you your subway sandwich at lunch today.
The waitress with a small child at home.
The parents that flip burgers for a living.
And republicans damn well know this fact too.....

 

[zanejohnson]

Yes, our medical insurance went from $800 a month to $1,200 a month even after we downgraded from "Choice" to "Select". So we get to pay more, for lower coverage and with fewer options. Obamacare rocks.

yeah except that now your doctor can't lie to you and tell you "your getting the best" (because now EVERYONE HAS ACCESS, AND WE HAVE THE INTERNET TO TALK ABOUT WHATS HAPPENING)

when it's the same thing that would happen in a third world country.....


because we ARE all mature enough to realize that third world country does NOT equal....not as intellectually advanced, and somehow forgot to clean the operating table and apparently we've been lied to, in order to prop up the idea that....that is in fact what happens in the third world....get real.

 

[OverVolt]

What is getting at me are republicans on TV claiming the ACA website so awful simply because the site is somehow the example of ACA failure.
Republicans WILL NOT consider the idea that maybe the reason is with so many people desperately wanting a chance at ANY type of healthcare, that the site has been overwhelmed.

And the second falsehood is with Obamacare haters claiming the young healthy people do not want healthcare.
BULL CRAPPY!!! TOTAL BS !!!!!
To blatantly suggest young working people are dead beats, would rather pay a "fine" than buy insurance, prefer to go to some ER for treatment, is outlandish.
And a TREMENDOUS insult to young folks.

How dare republicans make that assumption.
Sure, there might have been like .0001% of a few young people against buying their own healthcare, and knowing how the republican spin machine works, these kids were probably all paid by the tea party liars.

Who is crashing the ACA website?
Young folks.
The waiter and waitress not offered employer healthcare.
The retail sales men and women that have no opportunities for insurance.
The single mothers.
The cab drivers.
The hamburger slingers.
The taco slingers.
The "you want fires with that?" window workers.

Yes THOSE are the folks not only willing but desperate for their own healthcare.
And republicans, even suggesting these healthy younger kids are not interested in healthcare, is total crap. A huge insult. HUGE!!!

Calling them dead beats.
Or suggesting they prefer to wait HOURS in some ER to see a doctor.
Have you ever been in an ER?
Its awful!!!
You wait and wait and wait. Siting with others that have been maybe stabbed, shot, beaten by a spouse, or parents with screaming kids sick with fever and hacking coughs.
No... going to the ER is NOT ones preferred medical plan, regardless of insurance.

Young folks are NOT stupid, nor dead beats willing to pay fines over buying real healthcare.
And damn, I want to see just "ONE" TV interviewer on CNN or whatever challenge tis republican idea that these young healthy kids do not want or will not take ACA.
What a F-king lie.

Some uninsured segment of society has been overwhelming the ACA website.
And they are not all grandmas needing hip replacements.
We know who they are.
They are that kid that handed you your subway sandwich at lunch today.
The waitress with a small child at home.
The parents that flip burgers for a living.
And republicans damn well know this fact too.....

Gen Y has no political power. That will change, probably soon. Gen X doesn't realize they are tied to the hip with the aging boomers.

 

[BlueWolf47]

Well that's what compromise is all about. We need to tell that to Obama and Reid.

So either its completely defunded or a one year delay. Have you looked up the definition of the word compromise?

 

[hans030390]

Not sure why anyone really cares that the exchange website is having problems, not to mention it's entirely expected. If I'm correct, don't the new health plans start in 2014? I can understand wanting to check on the day of, but there's really no rush to get it as soon as the site launches.

Now, if it takes them 3 months to fix the site...that's worth complaining about.

 

[JockoJohnson]

So all these people crashing the website...are they the very same people that would have a difficult time getting an ID for any of these Voter ID laws?

 

[Exterous]

Interesting note to stir the pot: Did you know that by opening today the federal exchange was operating in violation of federal law?

Federal law requires that an exchange only advertise or make available for sale "certified" qualified health plans. A "certified" qualified health plan is defined, in part, as a qualified health plan issued by a qualified health plan issuer that has signed an agreement with the federal exchange. The federal exchange is not signing agreements with qualified health plan issuers, and thus not certifying qualified health plans, until October 11. Until that time it is operating in violation of the law.

That seems odd. Why not wait till October 11th then?

 

[sactoking]

That seems odd. Why not wait till October 11th then?

1. Politics
2. There's no real accountability anyway. It's actually very difficult finding someone who has both the desire and the standing to sue the feds in a case like that.

 

[werepossum]

Interesting note to stir the pot: Did you know that by opening today the federal exchange was operating in violation of federal law?

Federal law requires that an exchange only advertise or make available for sale "certified" qualified health plans. A "certified" qualified health plan is defined, in part, as a qualified health plan issued by a qualified health plan issuer that has signed an agreement with the federal exchange. The federal exchange is not signing agreements with qualified health plan issuers, and thus not certifying qualified health plans, until October 11. Until that time it is operating in violation of the law.

One constant of the Obama administration has been trying to extend the Congressional exemption from obeying laws to the Executive Branch and by extension the bulk of government under its authority. That's a very worrisome trend. Bush did much the same with signing statements, although at least that changed the law for everyone. R + D suggests the next President (of either party) will be even worse.

So all these people crashing the website...are they the very same people that would have a difficult time getting an ID for any of these Voter ID laws?

LOL Excellent point.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I see that some minimum amount of preventative care will be copay free on top of regular coverage for those who are uninsured now. I hope that the cost I pay now for emergency room universal free medical care for the poor will reduce over time.

Sadly, thanks to conservative thinking, we have created a society that produces a lot of poor and sick people. We didn't give a shit about all the children of worthless degenerates and now they've grown up happy to fuck us. I guess Obama care could be thought of as a kick in the ass for assholes.

why is it our responsibility to take care of the degenerates and their offspring?

 

[First]

If the whole crux of the bill is forcing people into purchasing insurance, than that says volumes about the bill and half of what has been said was the problem.

If it says volumes then you should, uh, be able to expand on that a little. Give it a shot and see what happens.

It pokes holes in the idea of how many people not being able to get insurance due to pre-existing conditions. That removed people should be lining up in droves to get insurance and a mandate no longer needed.

Only so many people will sign up for insurance, so even if it were a "good" rate of 70% of Americans eligible signing up for insurance, that still leaves a boatload of 30% leftover. The mandate, inherently, as a result of being a forcing mechanism enshrined into law, makes people aware of Obamacare in the first place because it forces people to pay attention.

This is common sense to any non-mouth breather.

 

[cliftonite]

why is it our responsibility to take care of the degenerates and their offspring?

People who can't afford health care are degenerates?

 

[jackstar7]

People who can't afford health care are degenerates?

To clarify, these are not the "Hate America" crowd, they are the "Hate Americans" crowd.

 

[conehead433]

So I'm making real progress attempting to sign up for the ACA at healthcare.gov. On the two previous days I couldn't even get the security questions to come up and today I got them to show and now I get this: "Important: Your account couldnt be created at this time.
Please note that two or more answers to the security questions cannot be the same. You must provide distinct answers to the chosen security questions. Please wait a few moments and try again."
Of course I had answered different questions with different answers. I'm sure they will eventually get it all straightened out, but this is ridiculous. The government apparently hires the dumbest fucking programmers in the world and is probably paying them ~ $100K a year for this.

 

[ZaneNBK]

So I'm making real progress attempting to sign up for the ACA at healthcare.gov. On the two previous days I couldn't even get the security questions to come up and today I got them to show and now I get this: "Important: Your account couldnt be created at this time.
Please note that two or more answers to the security questions cannot be the same. You must provide distinct answers to the chosen security questions. Please wait a few moments and try again."
Of course I had answered different questions with different answers. I'm sure they will eventually get it all straightened out, but this is ridiculous. The government apparently hires the dumbest fucking programmers in the world and is probably paying them ~ $100K a year for this.

I actually got signed up and verified via e-mail yesterday, then got to a constant error 500 page. However now it tells me my username/password are incorrect when I try to log in and if I try to create another account it fails.

Oh hold on, scratch that, just tried again and created my account and I'm logged in (after refreshing on one error page)...

Trying to start the application process and it wants me to answer one of the security questions I filled out during sign-up. One problem, none of the 4 questions they let me pick were one of the questions I selected during sign up. Stuck again. *sigh*

 

[ZaneNBK]

Well I managed to get past the security question confirmation by picking one the questions at random and using a real answer to the questions I chose and it let me past that. Now I'm at the point where it wants information about my employer and links to a PDF form with no way to get past that step or go back. I'm self employed technically, so...

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Maybe sactoking knows. Will those in the lower income brackets have subsidized deductible and copays as well? If not, they still may not be able to afford healthcare.

 

[owensdj]

If anyone else is having problems with the "two security questions are the same" glitch like conehead433, you can get around it by putting numbers into at least two of the three answers. Somehow the system can't tell the difference between two answers with all letters.

I was able to get an account registered, but I get a "System is busy" error after I log into the account.

 

[boomerang]

Maybe sactoking knows. Will those in the lower income brackets have subsidized deductible and copays as well? If not, they still may not be able to afford healthcare.

I'm sure he'd know for certain but I do not recall ever reading of any provisions for that.

You know it's actually rather interesting. Many of us have been clamoring for years about the large segment of our society that pay no federal income tax. The phrase we use is "no skin in the game". When we bring that up we get the usual outrage from the left of course. But what's interesting is that with Democare, it appears that the poorest may now have some skin in the game.

But here's what more than likely will really happen. They will choose to pay the penalty from financial necessity. The EIC they receive will be reduced by the amount of the penalty. They will still visit the ER when they need attention and the rest of us will continue to cover than expense. We won't know for sure how this will shake out until the 2014 tax regs are finalized. I'm sure there will be a lot of surprises in store with a bill this ginormous and the absolutely massive bloat in government it has created and will create.

 

[boomerang]

People who can't afford health care are degenerates?

He just used Moonbeam's language. See post #42.

 

[QuantumPion]

If you're having problems just call 1-800-FUCKYOU. That is the official phone number for the obamacare exchange help line lol.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/03/n...-fuckyo-to-reach-obamacares-national-hotline/

 

[werepossum]

If anyone else is having problems with the "two security questions are the same" glitch like conehead433, you can get around it by putting numbers into at least two of the three answers. Somehow the system can't tell the difference between two answers with all letters.

I was able to get an account registered, but I get a "System is busy" error after I log into the account.

Sweet lord, I can't wait until these people are fully in charge of our health care.

Yes, I know you've been diagnosed with Reye's Syndrome, but our system cannot distinguish between Reye's Syndrome and rabies and since rabies comes first I'm afraid we're going to have to humanely put you down.

 

[ivwshane]

Sweet lord, I can't wait until these people are fully in charge of our health care.

Yes, I know you've been diagnosed with Reye's Syndrome, but our system cannot distinguish between Reye's Syndrome and rabies and since rabies comes first I'm afraid we're going to have to humanely put you down.

I'm thinking you have no idea what the ACA is and how it works.

 

[werepossum]

I'm thinking you have no idea what the ACA is and how it works.

LOL, you misspelled "feeling". How embarrassing!

The ACA was not what I was referencing, although it is certainly one step in the process.

Glad to see though that you've embraced glorious new system that can't tell the difference between two answers with all letters. We should all look forward to the day that government pushes such competence into every aspect of our lives.

 

[Thump553]

Just successfully purchased my health insurance using my state's website. The first day it was so busy the site was overwhelmed but today it ran like butter. No significant problems. In about a half hour I was done and signed up-and half of that time was spent answering GOP inspired questions to prove my citizenship, etc. A far, far different thing than what I went through a couple of years ago with the exact same insurer-where I had to fill out a 20+ page extremely detailed application laying out each and every medical procedure/problem my wife or I ever had in our lives. Ironically this is with the exact same insurer I had then.

For what it matters-and I'm sure it makes a huge difference-I live in a state where the state government cooperated with the feds, versus places like WV and TX where they are doing everything possible to sabotage ACA.