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MooseNSquirrel said:
There is something really amusing about having "conservatives" trash a law based on ideas they themselves came up with 20 years ago.

This has nothing to do with the ACA and everything to do with Obama and Democrats.

Where was all this outrage about Medicare Part D?

Right.
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Did conservatives shove it down everyone's throats 20 years ago?
 
My experience with Covered California exchange. At least government can tell me what to think about the experience. Since they are infallible it has to be the right conclusion. The website is down, but this speaks to it's success, not it's failure.

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Due to the success of the Covered California Marketplace we are experiencing higher than expected users.
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Only government could take themselves seriously, and expect others to as well, with this manner of thinking. That they even have the courage to try and pass this stuff over you is a sign of how little they regard you.

We're broken because we're a success. When you are able to fully buy into this conclusion without question, then you're already a happy goner.

Classic doublethink and I love how succinctly and to the point it is done here. If you buy into this stuff there's no reason to give you freedom, government will just keep right on taking it away and telling you you're better off for it.
 
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boomerang said:
The government got control over one sixth of the economy starting at 12:01 AM. What could possibly go wrong?
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The government finally ""CAN HELP"" one sixth of the economy by insuring the uninsured, fyi.

And for your information, the government IS NOT providing healthcare.
That would be universal healthcare. DUH
The government thru ACA are just providing healthcare exchanges.

Naturally, the ACA website is going to be slow and or crammed on the FIRST DAY of rollout, just proving the MASS INTEREST with people FINALLY having a chance at healthcare.
That should NOT spew hate for those uninsured people, but should generate excitement and gratitude that ACA has finally come true for so many that need it soooo desperately.

You couldn't get on Apples website to order the iPhone-5s first day that rolled out.
So you expect millions hitting the ACA website 1st day to go smoothly?
Black Friday closed down tons of online shopping sites, including the giant Amazon.

ACA web glitches just offered more opportunity for the hating ungrateful assholes to bash the uninsured seeking so desperately for a chance at affordable healthcare.
If this were the first day to signup for Medicare or Social Security, millions would be cramming those sites too.

True God fearing Christians pray for ACA. Demons spread lies about ACA.
Demons enjoy the suffering of the uninsured. We seen that back in the republican debates.

ACA is long overdue. Take THAT to your God. Whether it come from above or below.

Just the idea and hope of FINALLY having affordable healthcare is going to be HUGE.
Laugh now haters, while you can. ACA will wipe that smirk off your face soon enough.
 
Hugo Drax said:
The fact that no matter what I can always get health insurance coverage sounds like a good idea.
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As long as the quality of health care doesn't matter then you're position matches the ideals of the framework that formed Obamacare.

I'm just trying to figure out what health insurance goes towards.

/scratches head

Thank god Obama has been pounding that podium and effectively conflating things for everybody. I love me some health insurance, gonna get me some right soon... as soon as the massive success of the exchanges stops being so successful and actually works.
 
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MooseNSquirrel said:
There is something really amusing about having "conservatives" trash a law based on ideas they themselves came up with 20 years ago.

This has nothing to do with the ACA and everything to do with Obama and Democrats.

Where was all this outrage about Medicare Part D?

Right.
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Good point! Dems incessantly bitched and moaned about Medicare Part D for years and years...and when they finally got control of the Executive and Legislative branches what did they do about it? Nada. Zip. Zilch.

In reality, their outrage had nothing to do the Medicare Part D and everything to do with Bush and Republicans. Only one difference...and it's a big difference...if Republicans controlled the Executive and Legislative branches...they wouldn't be fucking hypocrites about it...Obamacare would be gone in a New York minute!
 
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Heh, so I've been seeing lately that the notion of Congress being exempt is a lie. They are insinuating that they are just as required to have healthcare, they just have their own system built in to the political position already.

Let me spell it out for the mentally handicapped: If there is absolutely no possible way for you, as a congressmen, to have to pay those taxes (as defined by SCOTUS) you are TAX_EXEMPT. Doesn't get any more simple.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Heh, so I've been seeing lately that the notion of Congress being exempt is a lie. They are insinuating that they are just as required to have healthcare, they just have their own system built in to the political position already.

Let me spell it out for the mentally handicapped: If there is absolutely no possible way for you, as a congressmen, to have to pay those taxes (as defined by SCOTUS) you are TAX_EXEMPT. Doesn't get any more simple.
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You're just a few steps of rationalization away from getting it.

See, they are congress, therefore they have special privileges. If you don't want them to have special privileges because it perverts their ability to do an effective job for the American people, then just go back to "they have special privileges".

You're ability to disagree has been neutered by modern progressive logic. If you don't agree that means you don't get it, please rationalize more. Now I can say that if you don't get it, that you are the one who is mentally handicapped.

Why would anyone have any integrity or character when they can abuse anyone they disagree with by using the power of modern proggie thought?
 
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Doc Savage Fan said:
Good point! Dems incessantly bitched and moaned about Medicare Part D for years and years...and when they finally got control of the Executive and Legislative branches what did they do about it? Nada. Zip. Zilch.

In reality, their outrage had nothing to do the Medicare Part D and everything to do with Bush and Republicans. Only one difference...and it's a big difference...if Republicans controlled the Executive and Legislative branches...they wouldn't be fucking hypocrites about it...Obamacare would be gone in a New York minute!
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False equivalency and speculation.
 
MooseNSquirrel said:
False equivalency and speculation.
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No speculation at all in regard to Medicare Part D...those are the facts as they played out...deal with it. The only speculation on my part is how fast Republicans would revoke ACA...but I will concede you one point...that it might take a few days instead of a minute. :biggrin:
 
Sweet. Now we can choose between health insurances that cost 5x what they were to cost last year. That's a great deal!
 
sportage said:
True God fearing Christians pray for ACA. Demons spread lies about ACA.
Demons enjoy the suffering of the uninsured. We seen that back in the republican debates.

ACA is long overdue. Take THAT to your God. Whether it come from above or below.

Just the idea and hope of FINALLY having affordable healthcare is going to be HUGE.
Laugh now haters, while you can. ACA will wipe that smirk off your face soon enough.
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Ya, about that.

From an NBC Poll none the less: 29 percent of those polled were in favor of Obamacare, 46 percent were against.
 
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Sounds like a boost for the "general welfare" part.
 
Attic said:
You're just a few steps of rationalization away from getting it.

See, they are congress, therefore they have special privileges. If you don't want them to have special privileges because it perverts their ability to do an effective job for the American people, then just go back to "they have special privileges".
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I'm exempt from the ACA because I'm retired military and get Tricare, which meets the minimum coverage requirements. Separately, the care I receive from the VA for my service connected disability also meets the minimum requirements (according to a letter I received from them).

Do these qualify as "special privileges"?
 
dainthomas said:
I'm exempt from the ACA because I'm retired military and get Tricare, which meets the minimum coverage requirements. Separately, the care I receive from the VA for my service connected disability also meets the minimum requirements (according to a letter I received from them).

Do these qualify as "special privileges"?
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I would say 'Yes'...especially if you don't have to pay for any portion of the insurance premium costs.
 
I want medical care run by the Military Postal Service complex as well as the educational system, children trained from childhood in discipline oriented military academies to grow up responsible citizens. I want trillions spent on weapons of cure and a world war against environmental destruction, famine, and disease. I want to see government after government fall around the world as citizens everywhere demand to have a system like ours.

In the mean time, though I guess, I'll just bemoan the fact that the egotistical backward self-loathing culture created in the South by defeat in the Civil War continues to hold the whole of the nation back. Racism was never a good idea but instead of going away it went underground and festers there as loathing of the other.

What a pity too because it's just an accident where you're born.

Just as the blacks born in America's ghettos grow up in environments still most contaminated by past white Southern hate, so now do those born in the original epicenter still suffer from the infection and spread it everywhere. Time wounds all heals but in time this too shall pass.

All over the South there spring up pockets of light, university towns and cities with broad cultural mix. Change is happening as Homo Californiacus spreads. In California evolution has quickened because for all intents and purposes the Republican party is dead. But then you never know. A Republican party that can finally begin to reason, if it can start anywhere at all, will doubtlessly start here. Even Ronald Reagan was a Californian, backwards, comparatively, as he was. There's gold in them thar hills.
 
Watching Obama right now. He can't have one speech without telling some cherry picked stories about real "hard working" Americans. Lay it on thick with a story about a person with MS, that'll save Obamacare.
 
Zaap said:
Our government is nothing but one big political theatre of the absurd. The stupid government basically 'shuts down' for two days every week just like everything else, and somehow everyone doesn't die, the sun still rises, life actually goes on.

But it's almost comical how they try to make anybody but the big government kissups give a flying F about shutting that money grubbing bunch of dipshits down for longer than they shut down anyway.

Govt (and their suckups): Oh noes! A bunch of bureaucrats shuffling papers to the tune of trillions will be furloughed!

Sane people: Good riddance.

Govt: Yeah? Well.. well... we'll stop delivering the mail!

Sane people: Hardly use it, and if I need to, UPS, FedEX, DHL, or just good ol' email.

Govt: Well... well... we'll stop paying the military!!! That'll show you!

Sane people: Why don't you assholes stop paying your own damned overpaid selves, and stop looking for desperate ways to prove you're actually relevant to anyone but your kiss-ups?

Govt: We're going to shut down the national parks! Surely you care about that!!! HA!

Sane people: Oh noes! Trees, rocks and mountains won't have human beings to look after them for a few days! How will nature ever survive on its own??!!!


Bunch of total dumbasses.


And as for that ACA: Great, all the young healthy people just got the biggest shaft they'll ever get in their lives- you now get to pay for sick and old people- or just pay fines- and by the time you're old, the whole damned thing will have collapsed because it's run by the same retards that are tripping over themselves threatening to shut down a forest for a few days.
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Fuck you and anyone who thinks they should be able to skate by without insurance because they are "young and healthy". Stay away from my ER when you get sick or hurt and you can opt out. Sound goods to me. We'll have a special tattoo for all those brave, smart healthy people who don't need insurance so we can turn you away at the ER door.

You have it ALL wrong fool... YOU cost us all a hell of a lot more than "sick and old people" because they already have insurance and we get paid. No, it's you and your ilk who show up and want us to fix you for free and then never pay the bill.

Retards, indeed.
 
shadow9d9 said:
After 1 year of debate and 100 republican amendments. Then affirmed by the Supreme Court and Obama was reelected.

MIDDLE OF THE NITE HERP DERP!
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shh.. don't confuse the retards when they are trying to reinvent history. Oddly it's the only history and conservative is any good at with their disdain for education.
 
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