IT Unemployment Hits 'Unprecedented' Level

[jimmyhaha]

Not even close.

As I say in every IT doomsday thread, there are plenty of jobs out there for qualified people. The ability to do what's described above is very low end, and of course your opportunities are going to be limited.

my question is that: everyone has to start at the bottom, to gain experience and become more qualified for more challenging job.

Why should employer nowdays list a load of unreasonable skill for entry level position (if they exisit, which is rare by today standard).

duh.. I don't think u need years of experience for an entry level position... ?

Ok, you just describe an entry-level technician at Best Buy, NOT the average professional IT person.

So what's in your guy's book for an position of entryl level IT professional ?

hmm.. puzzled..

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: manly
Don't worry, those Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 will kick in any moment now...

Yep, my neighbor said the same thing, she also said the President is doing a great job and everything he possibly can to get the Economy going well again.

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Yep, my neighbor said the same thing, she also said the President is doing a great job and everything he possibly can to get the Economy going well again.

Tell her to not drink so much beer

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Evadman

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Evadman
What few IT are left, are the dumb ones who can't do crap.

I'm assuming you're not in IT, otherwise you just called yourself dumb. Given that, how are you qualified to say they can't do crap?

I am not in IT, I am the one forced to do IT's job for them because they suck. I had to call IT 2 days ago because my NT logon was revoked. (yes, my company has over 30,000 computers, all of them running NT SP6) It took me over 20 minutes to get it through the tech's head that it was NT logon, not some mainframe system login that I never use. then I get asked like 6 times if I know the password is case sensitive. I kept getting asked the same damn querstions over and over again.

The part of the company that I work for needed to pull data off of a screen and put it into another screen along with added data. IT was asked to write a program to do this in january. They billed my portion of the company a crapload of money (like the payroll of my building for a year) to do this. As of may, we did not even have a prototype.

I got pissed off, and grabbed a book, and had a prototype program written in 3 fricking days that did it for us, with the final done in a little under 2 weeks. IT was going to bill us for like 4,000 hours to write this damn thing.

So yes, at least the low to mid level IT sucks. and 99.9% of it in my company sucks. There are a few good people left, but what good they do is being nullified by the anti-work of the rest of IT.

<edit>
This is not intended as a slam towards you Descartes, just so you know. by writing that program above, I saved my building over $400k a month. when non-IT has to do IT work because IT is too stupid to do it themselves, there is a problem.

My friend had a Honda that was a lemon. Honda sucks!

Point is, your IT department is not the microcosm of IT departments across the world. I really have a hard time listening to opinions on IT from non-IT people. Your story of saving $400k a month because the IT department sounds apocryphal at best. Either you're lying or there is a SERIOUS wrong being perpetrated in your company. Please don't confuse what could be considered criminal activity with the quality of geniuine IT people.

[edit]I realized that came out a lot harsher than intended. I'll smile D)) to lighten it up a bit [/edit]

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: jimmyhaha

Not even close.

As I say in every IT doomsday thread, there are plenty of jobs out there for qualified people. The ability to do what's described above is very low end, and of course your opportunities are going to be limited.

my question is that: everyone has to start at the bottom, to gain experience and become more qualified for more challenging job.

Why should employer nowdays list a load of unreasonable skill for entry level position (if they exisit, which is rare by today standard).

duh.. I don't think u need years of experience for an entry level position... ?

Actually, in many cases you do. There are many people unemployed at the moment with actual experience, so it's hard for most companies to rationalize bringing on someone that can't turn around the next day and start producing.

Ok, you just describe an entry-level technician at Best Buy, NOT the average professional IT person.

So what's in your guy's book for an position of entryl level IT professional ?

hmm.. puzzled..[/quote]

I was referring to his statement that Windows Update and other autonomous agents have somehow negated the need for quality IT people. Most IT departments have been autoupdating client machines for YEARS, and running around to desktops performing hardware upgrades is largely the duty of entry-level people. He used this example as to why IT was going away, so I was simply refuting it.

 

[Whitecloak]

Originally posted by: Evadman

I think we need to piss off North Korea, and get them to nuke india. Solve 2 problems at once.

you are an asshole.

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: hans007
i work in IT currently part time. i'd have to say the reason IT is not doing that great, is it has gotten progressively easier to work in IT over the years.


i mean with win XP, windows update, auto updating virusscanners, plug and play everything, what did you guys expect?

Ok, you just describe an entry-level technician at Best Buy, NOT the average professional IT person.

still looking for a software development job... too bad those are all gone too though.

Not even close.

As I say in every IT doomsday thread, there are plenty of jobs out there for qualified people. The ability to do what's described above is very low end, and of course your opportunities are going to be limited.

i dunno i reset NT passwords, change permissions, sometimes i buy some servers . i wire closets, backup unix machines, and i dont really see how much there is. i mean sure i dont do the really high level stuff, but even my HP ux admin boss and the mcse guys there say there isnt that much to it.

 

[Hector13]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Hector13
6% unemployment... so? that means that 1 out of 20 people doesn't have a job. Do you really think you are less qualified/intelligent than 19 out of 20 people?

Wouldn't that be 5%?

uhm... yeah, obviously I was rounding. Would you prefer I said 1.2 out of 20 people??

 

[PatboyX]

i dunno i reset NT passwords, change permissions, sometimes i buy some servers . i wire closets, backup unix machines, and i dont really see how much there is. i mean sure i dont do the really high level stuff, but even my HP ux admin boss and the mcse guys there say there isnt that much to it.

there isnt much to it. i work in public schools setting up doing network stuff. (of course, the schools arnt nearly as intesne as a business) but there are people who cant turn on their machines! so, thats one side of the spectrum...it might not seem like you do/know much technically...but there are people who really dont know anything and dont want to know anything.

 

[StageLeft]

Unemployment in the IT profession reached 6% this year

Holy crap batman that's it?! That's about the national average. I'd had thought it was much better. This is truly the first article in months about IT and jobs that has cheered me up.

Almost 19/20 IT people have a job according to that number.

IT does suck to find work in but there are definitely jobs in it. As with anything those with the most skills will have the easiest time finding work. Two years ago I had a heck of a time finding a job.

A month back I sent in two resumes and from that received one job offer and an interview for another job I ended up cancelling (I'm told that of the 40 resumse they received only 2-4 were any good, since my friend works there and filled me in). And did I take the job offer? No, my company turned around and bent over backwards to keep me on.

I don't know how much of that was an indication of my better resume or interview skills, or a better job market, or luck, or a combination of all those things but my level of worry for my future in IT has greatly lessened of late.

BTW, evadman your company's IT department sucks donkey dick!!

Although operating system enhancements and better software have made things arguably easier on the end user I don't believe that they are easier for developers (IT encompassing everything from networking to programming, etc.). I've been in it for three years and the most difficult website I've personally come across is one I'm looking at now. It's just a big mix of various new technologies, and I know the guy who made it knows what he's doing but it's a heck of a lot easier than a simple ASP & database backend site I used to play with a few years back. Some software gets easier but there is a heck of a lot more software and technology to understand, and this makes it harder. An analogy is that 200 years ago I'm sure medical doctors engaged in much less training than they do now and it was a much less skilled profession.

 

Too many people in the game now.

It was much cooler 5-10 years ago.
All you yougins came in and ruined it all.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: AgaBooga
Cliff notes?

All the major IT employers are shipping their operations in cheaper 3rd world countries where programmers get 6k a year. Find another line of work.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Evadman


I think we need to piss off North Korea, and get them to nuke india. Solve 2 problems at once.

No, what we need to do is levy huge tariffs and taxes on these companies that choose to outsource.

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: hans007
i dunno i reset NT passwords, change permissions, sometimes i buy some servers . i wire closets, backup unix machines, and i dont really see how much there is. i mean sure i dont do the really high level stuff, but even my HP ux admin boss and the mcse guys there say there isnt that much to it.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but is that actually considered an "IT job"?

 

[damiano]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Too... many... idiots....

yep
the reason why their are so many techs unemployed is because their are too many people who think they are tech but who really aren't... they might know how to change a network card or write a web page with dreamweaver but that does not make them a qualified tech

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: damiano

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Too... many... idiots....

yep
the reason why their are so many techs unemployed is because their are too many people who think they are tech but who really aren't... they might know how to change a network card or write a web page with dreamweaver but that does not make them a qualified tech

"Techs"? That's just the thing, we aren't talking about technicians, we're talking about enterprise-level IT people here. There is a huge difference.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Originally posted by: hans007
i dunno i reset NT passwords, change permissions, sometimes i buy some servers . i wire closets, backup unix machines, and i dont really see how much there is. i mean sure i dont do the really high level stuff, but even my HP ux admin boss and the mcse guys there say there isnt that much to it.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but is that actually considered an "IT job"?

I'd say no, but I seem to be in the minority with that perception. Talking about changing permissions and backing up unix boxen as though that's all there is to IT (or that that's IT at all) is the most myopic statement I have ever heard. That's like saying holding the yoke of a plane is all there is to being a pilot. A trained monkey can perform any of those tasks.

 

[jimmyhaha]

Almost 19/20 IT people have a job according to that number.

Four in ten IT contractors out of work

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/32959.html

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: AgaBooga
Cliff notes?

IT people everywhere are out of work because they can't read

 

[DT4K]

I just put my resume on Monster again yesterday and already got 2 calls today about potential interviews.
I have a good job, but need to move to a bigger city for my wife's schooling needs.
If I do leave my current job, I'll let you guys know about it in the unemployment thread.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Evadman
And yet every college everywhere is advertizing stuff on IT degrees, and every major company (including mine) is outsourcing everything to india. What few IT are left, are the dumb ones who can't do crap.

I think we need to piss off North Korea, and get them to nuke india. Solve 2 problems at once.

why dont we get north korea to nuke ur home too while we are at it!