"It takes a village to raise a child" **Rant**

[Amused]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
If I hear or see this piece of Liberal minded drivel one more time, I am going to personally hunt you down and punch you right in the mouth.

Arrgggg!!!!!

Consistency check: If you believe in individual control instead of community / state control, then are you also:
* pro-choice (women making own reproductive choices)
* opposed to John Ashcroft's attempts to block Oregon's twice-voted right-to-die law?

Just curious whether you follow the conservative party line or have a consistent set of beliefs.

You've seen a lot of my posts. Can you figure out my answer to the test? 😀

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
If I hear or see this piece of Liberal minded drivel one more time, I am going to personally hunt you down and punch you right in the mouth.

Arrgggg!!!!!

Consistency check: If you believe in individual control instead of community / state control, then are you also:
* pro-choice (women making own reproductive choices)
* opposed to John Ashcroft's attempts to block Oregon's twice-voted right-to-die law?

Just curious whether you follow the conservative party line or have a consistent set of beliefs.

I am opposed to abortion, which is consistent with my belief that other kinds of murder are also wrong. The only exception I make is that of capital punishment for those who commit murder.

I've not heard of the attempt you speak of by John Ashcroft. If you could elaborate, I'd be glad to offer my opinion. If I'm not mistaken, he is/was also for the legislation that would have allowed the government to record all transactions, and do other invasive spying on the internet. Concerning the latter, I definitely do not agree with him (that is, I am against legislation that would legalize what essentially amounts to unreasonable searches). Perhaps this means that I do not follow party lines; perhaps it also means that I value my personal rights too much.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
If I hear or see this piece of Liberal minded drivel one more time, I am going to personally hunt you down and punch you right in the mouth.

Arrgggg!!!!!

Consistency check: If you believe in individual control instead of community / state control, then are you also:
* pro-choice (women making own reproductive choices)
* opposed to John Ashcroft's attempts to block Oregon's twice-voted right-to-die law?

Just curious whether you follow the conservative party line or have a consistent set of beliefs.

Umm no - I think you are mistaken. Being "Pro-life" has nothing to do with a persons decision to believe or not believe in the "it takes a village..." crap.

I am "Pro-Life" and definately against this "It takes a community..." crap. I know what I believe and you can't say that it is inconsistant - I make up my own mind, unlike most of the American sheeple.

 

[Howard]

Well, I'm just glad I don't live in 'bama.

 

[brtspears2]

I was raised on TV. It was great.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: brtspears2
I was raised on TV. It was great.

WOW! You're TRUMAN?!?!?

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: Tominator
The modern day, that is politically correct, interpretation of the 'village' is what Hillary Clinton defined it as. It is BIG GOVERNMENT. They know better than you do how YOUR children should be raised. If you think different, well, just go to jail! The gospel according to Hillary.:|

I love O'Reillly's chapter titled "It'll take a Viliage to Get Hilary on the OREilly Factor".

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Tominator
The modern day, that is politically correct, interpretation of the 'village' is what Hillary Clinton defined it as. It is BIG GOVERNMENT. They know better than you do how YOUR children should be raised. If you think different, well, just go to jail! The gospel according to Hillary.:|

Points to Tom. They are my children, and I will decide how they are raised. As long as I take care of them and love them, no one has any say in the matter.

 

[Ly2n]

I don't know how any of you were brought up, but I was truly raised by a village. That is not to say that I didn't have parents, including a stay home mom, but rather that a great many people taught me a lot of things. I learned from my friends parents, my parents friends, my neighbors, and other people in the town. I got many different ideas, viewpoints and into many discussions. I learned politics from the mayor, and the town supervisor (one from each party), I learned how houses are built fron my grandfather and our neighbor, I learned about business from 3 different small business owners. And that only a part of how the village raised me. I learned why not to break the law from a deputy and a state trooper. It really seems to me to be a pretty good way to do it.

 

[Ornery]

That's all well and good there Ly2n, but when Hillary and her minion squawk about "the village", what they mean is, they want "the village" to cough up tax bucks to pay for day care vouchers etc.

How do you feel about that? I'm on Iron Woode's side there!

 

[Danman]

Originally posted by: Hammer
*poop*

That's all I hear out of liberals' mouths. 😀

 

[KenGr]

We've got a few people who get it. First of all, it takes two parents to raise a child. If you can get some help from the village, great. But don't count on it. They're your kids and your responsibility.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Ly2n
I don't know how any of you were brought up, but I was truly raised by a village. That is not to say that I didn't have parents, including a stay home mom, but rather that a great many people taught me a lot of things. I learned from my friends parents, my parents friends, my neighbors, and other people in the town. I got many different ideas, viewpoints and into many discussions. I learned politics from the mayor, and the town supervisor (one from each party), I learned how houses are built fron my grandfather and our neighbor, I learned about business from 3 different small business owners. And that only a part of how the village raised me. I learned why not to break the law from a deputy and a state trooper. It really seems to me to be a pretty good way to do it.

That's the way it was back when I was a kid. We knew all the adults and they knew us well. If they saw us misbehaven you can bet that our parents heard of it. If we scraped our knees playing in the streets you could count on the nieghbors to clean it up and put a band Aid on it for you. If you were threatened you could go to any of the nieghbors house and they would look after you. The Parents of my nieghborhood were active in things like Little League, Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts. The phrase "It takes a village to raise a child" was never spoken because it was a given. It definately wasn't some liberal idea because the concept of an active community wasn't considered liberal.

Now I can understand why Fromunda Trolls would be outraged over this concept because they are so fscking Self Centered and the thought of active community participation bothers them so because it means they would have to interact with others instead of whinning like a sniveling little bitch. In fact the idea of letting children even near socially inept weirdos like Iron Wood is a scary thought.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Ly2n
I don't know how any of you were brought up, but I was truly raised by a village. That is not to say that I didn't have parents, including a stay home mom, but rather that a great many people taught me a lot of things. I learned from my friends parents, my parents friends, my neighbors, and other people in the town. I got many different ideas, viewpoints and into many discussions. I learned politics from the mayor, and the town supervisor (one from each party), I learned how houses are built fron my grandfather and our neighbor, I learned about business from 3 different small business owners. And that only a part of how the village raised me. I learned why not to break the law from a deputy and a state trooper. It really seems to me to be a pretty good way to do it.

That's the way it was back when I was a kid. We knew all the adults and they knew us well. If they saw us misbehaven you can bet that our parents heard of it. If we scraped our knees playing in the streets you could count on the nieghbors to clean it up and put a band Aid on it for you. If you were threatened you could go to any of the nieghbors house and they would look after you. The Parents of my nieghborhood were active in things like Little League, Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts. The phrase "It takes a village to raise a child" was never spoken because it was a given. It definately wasn't some liberal idea because the concept of an active community wasn't considered liberal.

Now I can understand why Fromunda Trolls would be outraged over this concept because they are so fscking Self Centered and the thought of active community participation bothers them so because it means they would have to interact with others instead of whinning like a sniveling little bitch. In fact the idea of letting children even near socially inept weirdos like Iron Wood is a scary thought.

Took the words right out of my mouth,well said Red!


Btw,while raising my own kids I lost count of the number of kids I took in for short/longer term stays,pretty good kids who's parents were total morons... and the big shocker is most of em came from homes with a lot more money and material advantages than my humble dwelling.

 

[yowolabi]

You're right Red.

That phrase could have originated in many places though I believe it originated with the Igbo of Nigeria with the phrase "Ora na-azu nwa" which translates about to "the community raises the child".

It originates in cultures where child-raising is built into the society. Children respect all adults as if they were their own parents, and can be disciplined by any adult. It is a healthy model that teaches children humility, respect for others, and creates an environment where they learn from many different sources, and keeps them out of trouble because there are too many people watching.

Whether or not your neighbors and others in the community actively help in raising your child, your children will be learning something from them, either positive or negative. Children watch everyone around them and unless you lock them in your basement, the truth is, many people are participating in raising your child. If you try to pretend that the only one influencing your child is you, you're in for a nasty dose of reality down the line. The saying is a reflection of the reality of the world, and a call to responsibility.

To call it a Liberal saying is wrong. The way Hilary used it is not exactly in keeping with it's meaning either. A government isn't a community, and it shouldn't try to be. A community can't be legislated or regulated, and no matter how many social programs there are, it can't equal a caring close-knit community.

 

[vi edit]

It's a good saying with a recently perverted definition. My childhood experiences were much like Red and Ly2n expressed. It's good for pretty much everyone involved IMHO.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: yowolabi
You're right Red.

That phrase could have originated in many places though I believe it originated with the Igbo of Nigeria with the phrase "Ora na-azu nwa" which translates about to "the community raises the child".

It originates in cultures where child-raising is built into the society. Children respect all adults as if they were their own parents, and can be disciplined by any adult. It is a healthy model that teaches children humility, respect for others, and creates an environment where they learn from many different sources, and keeps them out of trouble because there are too many people watching.

Whether or not your neighbors and others in the community actively help in raising your child, your children will be learning something from them, either positive or negative. Children watch everyone around them and unless you lock them in your basement, the truth is, many people are participating in raising your child. If you try to pretend that the only one influencing your child is you, you're in for a nasty dose of reality down the line. The saying is a reflection of the reality of the world, and a call to responsibility.

To call it a Liberal saying is wrong. The way Hilary used it is not exactly in keeping with it's meaning either. A government isn't a community, and it shouldn't try to be. A community can't be legislated or regulated, and no matter how many social programs there are, it can't equal a caring close-knit community.

The concepts portrayed by Ly2n, Red, GB, and yowolabi are definitely ones that I can agree with. As long as the neighbors were trustworthy, I think that many kids today would have better behavior etc. if they were raised in this fasion.

Where I begin to have a problem with the statement is when it is used in the way that Hilary intended. Perhaps one of the biggest problems with governments (instead of parents) raising children is that they wish to tell you exactly what you can and can not do. "Oh no, you dare not discipline your child at all! It will hurt their self esteem, and we'll put you in jail if you do. You should just let them do whatever they want."

 

[BatmanNate]

I always just took it to mean a child with a myriad of positive influences outside of the parents alone would have an advantage growing up. It doesn't remove any responsibility from the parents at all, but the more people that you can learn from the better off you are.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: jliechty

Originally posted by: yowolabi
You're right Red.

That phrase could have originated in many places though I believe it originated with the Igbo of Nigeria with the phrase "Ora na-azu nwa" which translates about to "the community raises the child".

It originates in cultures where child-raising is built into the society. Children respect all adults as if they were their own parents, and can be disciplined by any adult. It is a healthy model that teaches children humility, respect for others, and creates an environment where they learn from many different sources, and keeps them out of trouble because there are too many people watching.

Whether or not your neighbors and others in the community actively help in raising your child, your children will be learning something from them, either positive or negative. Children watch everyone around them and unless you lock them in your basement, the truth is, many people are participating in raising your child. If you try to pretend that the only one influencing your child is you, you're in for a nasty dose of reality down the line. The saying is a reflection of the reality of the world, and a call to responsibility.

To call it a Liberal saying is wrong. The way Hilary used it is not exactly in keeping with it's meaning either. A government isn't a community, and it shouldn't try to be. A community can't be legislated or regulated, and no matter how many social programs there are, it can't equal a caring close-knit community.

The concepts portrayed by Ly2n, Red, GB, and yowolabi are definitely ones that I can agree with. As long as the neighbors were trustworthy, I think that many kids today would have better behavior etc. if they were raised in this fasion.

Where I begin to have a problem with the statement is when it is used in the way that Hilary intended. Perhaps one of the biggest problems with governments (instead of parents) raising children is that they wish to tell you exactly what you can and can not do. "Oh no, you dare not discipline your child at all! It will hurt their self esteem, and we'll put you in jail if you do. You should just let them do whatever they want."

She definately politicized it and then the Red Assed Ultra Conservatives further politicized it. Leave it to the lunatic fringe on both sides of the political spectrum to make a good concept sound like a radical idea.

 

[skace]

I ignore the statement as meaningless and patronizing, something that someone says to sound intelligent or to impress a crowd of like minded fools.

So then you are ignorant? To simply ignore statements because someone you didn't like used them is a silly concept. A truly wise person would be able to pull as much information out of a sentence as they can, despite the person who stated it. It seems you have gone in the opposite direction. I have never used that phrase, but I know exactly what it refers to and why it is a good thing -- like others here.

Experiences raise a child. A child armed with knowledge, understanding, and a wealth of good and bad experiences will make for a powerful character.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: skace

I ignore the statement as meaningless and patronizing, something that someone says to sound intelligent or to impress a crowd of like minded fools.

So then you are ignorant? To simply ignore statements because someone you didn't like used them is a silly concept. A truly wise person would be able to pull as much information out of a sentence as they can, despite the person who stated it. It seems you have gone in the opposite direction. I have never used that phrase, but I know exactly what it refers to and why it is a good thing -- like others here.

Experiences raise a child. A child armed with knowledge, understanding, and a wealth of good and bad experiences will make for a powerful character.

I am not interested in its meaning. It is the way it is thrown around by people who think they know everything about everything, that is what bothers me. It is very pretentious and self-serving.

I am not ignorant. I just filtre the crap from what I read and hear. Usually the people that spew such statements aren't worth listening to in the first place. It is one thing to spread knowledge, it is quite another spew out catch phrases and other drivel to try and impress someone.