It seems the ACA/Obamacare is creating another generation of ungrateful tea partiers

[Texashiker]

so it's automatically a bad thing that she has coverage? ok I got it. :/

Please do not put words in my mouth.

 

[OrByte]

Please do not put words in my mouth.

I'm only going off of what your arguments are.

you are upset that she has coverage not me.

 

[OrByte]

I see the left is experiencing cognitive dissonance that the supposed beneficiaries of their generosity aren't singing the Hosanas the left thinks it deserves. It's the same thinking as "the Iraqis will greet us as liberators and toss flowers at our feet" from the last administration.

Perhaps at some point Phokus, Eskimospy, and the rest will realize the truth - conservatives hate your fucking guts and want nothing to do with you or your policies, even if there was some benefit in it for them. And it could reasonably be argued that Obamacare doesn't help the majority of conservatives in the slightest.

leave the country then.
I think Obamacare is helping some people including some conservatives DESPITE how much you hate Obama and the left.

I know my father in law who is as cracker white as you are going to find cannot stand Obama...and he is so happy with his medical coverage right now....but he still hates Obama.

 

[fskimospy]

I see the left is experiencing cognitive dissonance that the supposed beneficiaries of their generosity aren't singing the Hosanas the left thinks it deserves. It's the same thinking as "the Iraqis will greet us as liberators and toss flowers at our feet" from the last administration.

Perhaps at some point Phokus, Eskimospy, and the rest will realize the truth - conservatives hate your fucking guts and want nothing to do with you or your policies, even if there was some benefit in it for them. And it could reasonably be argued that Obamacare doesn't help the majority of conservatives in the slightest.

This is a pretty interesting denial of reality. Medicare is overwhelmingly popular, even among self described conservatives. This is in marked contrast to when Medicare was originally enacted, when conservatives thought it was OMGCOMMUNISM.

Conservatives quite often DO hate liberals' guts but that's due to the tribalism inherent in modern American politics much more than any specific policy objection. Someday maybe you will realize this truth. Once you do that, American political behavior makes a lot more sense.

 

[Texashiker]

I'm only going off of what your arguments are.

you are upset that she has coverage not me.

I am not upset she has coverage.

What I am upset about, I have paid into the system for 30+ years but do not qualify for any help.

When do I get my piece of the pie I have been paying for?

 

[glenn1]

leave the country then.
I think Obamacare is helping some people including some conservatives DESPITE how much you hate Obama and the left.

I know my father in law who is as cracker white as you are going to find cannot stand Obama...and he is so happy with his medical coverage right now....but he still hates Obama.

Of course it helps *some* people, that's what subsidies do. Likewise it was undoubtedly helpful for those with pre-existing conditions and those who wished to maintain coverage on their children until age 26, but those 3 categories represent small minorities of the population. The bigger question is whether it actually helped the majority of people, including those who pay the subsidies. If you're a middle class person receiving employer-sponsored health insurance (i.e. 80% or so of the population), Obamacare almost certainly hurt you in order to pay for the goodies to those other groups. The law was sold on the premise that rates would go down for everyone, on the order of $2,500/annually per family.

 

[theeedude]

How do you over pay working minimum wage?

She does not make enough to pay for her own health coverage so others have to chip in.

I do not mind helping those in need, honestly I do not. It just seems the people in their 40s and 50s are getting screwed on health care.

That's not what the rightwing press has been saying, they are saying that the older people are hosing the young and healthy "invincibles."

 

[theeedude]

I see the left is experiencing cognitive dissonance that the supposed beneficiaries of their generosity aren't singing the Hosanas the left thinks it deserves. It's the same thinking as "the Iraqis will greet us as liberators and toss flowers at our feet" from the last administration.

Perhaps at some point Phokus, Eskimospy, and the rest will realize the truth - conservatives hate your fucking guts and want nothing to do with you or your policies, even if there was some benefit in it for them. And it could reasonably be argued that Obamacare doesn't help the majority of conservatives in the slightest.

Sure it helps them. Especially in states that expand Medicaid.

 

[Texashiker]

That's not what the rightwing press has been saying, they are saying that the older people are hosing the young and healthy "invincibles."

Hosing how?

I am seeing young people get cheap rates while older people are getting hosed.

 

[theeedude]

Of course it helps *some* people, that's what subsidies do. Likewise it was undoubtedly helpful for those with pre-existing conditions and those who wished to maintain coverage on their children until age 26, but those 3 categories represent small minorities of the population. The bigger question is whether it actually helped the majority of people, including those who pay the subsidies. If you're a middle class person receiving employer-sponsored health insurance (i.e. 80% or so of the population), Obamacare almost certainly hurt you in order to pay for the goodies to those other groups. The law was sold on the premise that rates would go down for everyone, on the order of $2,500/annually per family.

I don't think he said you'd get $2500 per family if you had an employer plan.

 

[theeedude]

This is a pretty interesting denial of reality. Medicare is overwhelmingly popular, even among self described conservatives. This is in marked contrast to when Medicare was originally enacted, when conservatives thought it was OMGCOMMUNISM.

Conservatives quite often DO hate liberals' guts but that's due to the tribalism inherent in modern American politics much more than any specific policy objection. Someday maybe you will realize this truth. Once you do that, American political behavior makes a lot more sense.

Yeah, some right wing idiot even said that if Medicare passed, "We are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children, what it once was like in America when men were free."
And now the right wing idiot crowd is saying "government hands off my Medicare."

 

[Moonbeam]

Hosing how?

I am seeing young people get cheap rates while older people are getting hosed.

You live in Texas. Your governor fucked you.

 

[Texashiker]

You live in Texas. Your governor fucked you.

Anytime the government gives you something there is always a sting attached.

 

[Daverino]

As of today, approximately 12 million Americans are signed up for healthcare through the ACA.

Over 2,500,000 have signed up for private insurance through exchanges
Over 3,000,000 young adults have insurance through their parents.
Over 6,000,000 have been enrolled in Medicaid

There are over nine months to the mid-term elections and over 2.5 years to the next presidential election.

Anyone who thinks they can run a successful campaign based on taking away insurance from twelve million Americans is a loon. Granted the tea party is full of loons, but the chances of an ACA repeal are now about as likely as a Medicare of Social Security repeal.

 

[Generator]

The oppressive nature of the right wing is a very powerful thing. The irony that a black man is freeing millions of oppressed poor whites is wonderfully beautiful. The poor who are mostly white have suffered their whole lives from rigid ideology, its too good to be truisms, and a Gestapo community.

Imagine a train trying to instantly reverse course but cannot because every car behind them is a family member, neighbour, teacher, pastor, officer, politician scary the living fuck out of them with demented, ill-conceived, mentally damaging sickness. It truly is a sickness that a woman would ever think she couldn't get kidney stones removed because of ham fisted, square pegged, poverty inducing kaleidoscope of plain as day DUMBFUCK IDEOLOGY.

It really is quite simple instead of kicking a woman in the kidneys with your backwater, arcane nuttery doom scenario, offer a ride to a doctor. People don't need to suffer with kidney stones because of some slippery slope. The slope the doesn't exists, what right thinks doesn't exist. It is a sickness and thank Obama that these people are free to live like human beings for the first time in their lives.

 

[rudder]

As of today, approximately 12 million Americans are signed up for healthcare through the ACA.

Over 2,500,000 have signed up for private insurance through exchanges
Over 3,000,000 young adults have insurance through their parents.
Over 6,000,000 have been enrolled in Medicaid

There are over nine months to the mid-term elections and over 2.5 years to the next presidential election.

Anyone who thinks they can run a successful campaign based on taking away insurance from twelve million Americans is a loon. Granted the tea party is full of loons, but the chances of an ACA repeal are now about as likely as a Medicare of Social Security repeal.

The ACA repeal votes were a waste of time and bad strategy. All the Republicans had to do was fund the ACA for a year and let it collapse in on itself.

 

[Phokus]

I see the left is experiencing cognitive dissonance that the supposed beneficiaries of their generosity aren't singing the Hosanas the left thinks it deserves. It's the same thinking as "the Iraqis will greet us as liberators and toss flowers at our feet" from the last administration.

Perhaps at some point Phokus, Eskimospy, and the rest will realize the truth - conservatives hate your fucking guts and want nothing to do with you or your policies, even if there was some benefit in it for them. And it could reasonably be argued that Obamacare doesn't help the majority of conservatives in the slightest.

Actually based on the stories, it sounds like the poor conservative LOVE the policies but absolutely LOATHE that they have to give Obama credit for it. Big fucking difference. And i'm not going to be lectured by the guy who had to post a thread in ATOT asking whether or not MLM's like herbalife are a scam or not and whether his wife should pursue those opportunities (which is funny, because admitting so would put a huge dent in your cheerleading free markets, considering how successful they are at vacuuming up money from suckers). The very fact that you even need to ask is all that i need to know about you. Here's a hint: YES MLM'S ARE SCAMS YOU IDIOT.

The only cognitive dissonance are the imbecile conservatives who desperately need and secretly use Obamacare yet curse Obama's name.

 

[Daverino]

The ACA repeal votes were a waste of time and bad strategy. All the Republicans had to do was fund the ACA for a year and let it collapse in on itself.

And yet it won't because facts. But go on holding on to that belief. I'm sure Romney will win in a landslide.

 

[Theb]

Actually based on the stories, it sounds like the poor conservative LOVE the policies but absolutely LOATHE that they have to give Obama credit for it. Big fucking difference. And i'm not going to be lectured by the guy who had to post a thread in ATOT asking whether or not MLM's like herbalife are a scam or not and whether his wife should pursue those opportunities (which is funny, because admitting so would put a huge dent in your cheerleading free markets, considering how successful they are at vacuuming up money from suckers). The very fact that you even need to ask is all that i need to know about you. Here's a hint: YES MLM'S ARE SCAMS YOU IDIOT.

The only cognitive dissonance are the imbecile conservatives who desperately need and secretly use Obamacare yet curse Obama's name.

I think the polite thing to do would be to leave stuff from ATOT in ATOT and keep P&N in P&N.

 

[glenn1]

Actually based on the stories, it sounds like the poor conservative LOVE the policies but absolutely LOATHE that they have to give Obama credit for it. Big fucking difference. And i'm not going to be lectured by the guy who had to post a thread in ATOT asking whether or not MLM's like herbalife are a scam or not and whether his wife should pursue those opportunities (which is funny, because admitting so would put a huge dent in your cheerleading free markets, considering how successful they are at vacuuming up money from suckers). The very fact that you even need to ask is all that i need to know about you. Here's a hint: YES MLM'S ARE SCAMS YOU IDIOT.

The only cognitive dissonance are the imbecile conservatives who desperately need and secretly use Obamacare yet curse Obama's name.

I suppose I should be flattered you're following (stalking?) my posts on ATOT. Can't say I can remember anything memorable you've ever posted.

And again, I don't care about some broke-ass redneck "conservative" who gets an Obamacare subdsidy. I care about the 80% or more of Americans who are getting fucked over by Obamacare so that you can give that redneck his freebies, and then get all butthurt when they don't appreciate you for it.

 

[OrByte]

I am not upset she has coverage.

What I am upset about, I have paid into the system for 30+ years but do not qualify for any help.

When do I get my piece of the pie I have been paying for?

So..you're looking for a "handout" or a "handup"?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

It will collapse on it's own without any help from anyone. The unhealthy and those requiring a subsidy outweigh those that will be paying into the system. This means that the healthy and those that don't receive a subsidy will have to pay huge premiums to support the ACA.

If you think the millennials are crying now that they have too large a burden due to their student loans, wait until they're hammered with high insurance premiums.

Our health insurance system was a huge train wreck long before anyone had ever heard of Obama. With or without Obamacare, the system of private insurance companies and private hospitals and its mass inefficiency was destined to fail.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Better yet, that young person get away from minimum wage jobs.

Are you trying to suggest that if everyone who worked a minimum wage job simply wanted to "get way from minimum wage jobs" and put effort into it that no one would have to work minimum wage jobs any longer? Would the effort expended to seek out better jobs make higher wage jobs suddenly sprout on the magic jobs tree?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

If you're a middle class person receiving employer-sponsored health insurance (i.e. 80% or so of the population), Obamacare almost certainly hurt you in order to pay for the goodies to those other groups. The law was sold on the premise that rates would go down for everyone, on the order of $2,500/annually per family.

There isn't any guarantee that a middle class person receiving employer-sponsored health insurance will not lose his job/career tomorrow, in which case the subsidized health insurance will be available.

I care about the 80% or more of Americans who are getting fucked over by Obamacare so that you can give that redneck his freebies, and then get all butthurt when they don't appreciate you for it.

Is it possible that the blame for the high costs of health care is being misplaced by brain dead conservatives? Instead of blaming our inefficient quasi-free market health care system, everyone is blaming Obamacare. In contrast, every other first world nation seems to be able to provide health care for 100% of the populace at a much lower percentage of GDP and dollars per capita cost. Perhaps the blame is being misplaced.

 

[soulcougher73]

Your words make no sense.

God Bless America! (I can agree with that)

God Bless Obama (he would never go along with that) He's a Muslim, you idiot.

LOL And the idiot award goes to you.

Muslims have a god as well..in fact..its the same god D:

Also any true god would never bless a country that humans made up