It looks like the TPP has passed

[Londo_Jowo]

uh oh... what will the liberals do.... Hillary is against the TPP...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/07/politics/hillary-clinton-opposes-tpp/index.html

LMAO!!!! She was for it before she was against it. Guess Bernie was gaining too much support.

 

[trenchfoot]

LMAO!!!! She was for it before she was against it. Guess Bernie was gaining too much support.

A classic two-faced move out of political necessity. She'll play this card like those legendary river boat card sharks played their chump victims.

I'm sure she's already notified those folks who really matter to her that it's a purely temporary politically motivated "change of heart" that will evaporate the moment she gets sworn in and everybody in the game realizes this.

Realistically speaking though, she had to do that. There was no way around her supporting a deal that makes Bernie Sanders' look like the good guy and her the evil traitorous DINO.

 

[TheSlamma]

LMAO!!!! She was for it before she was against it. Guess Bernie was gaining too much support.

This is exactly it.

If elected she will not lift a finger to stop it.. amazing the dems are so blinded by simply putting Name (D) at that point you can do/say anything and not be called out. Gotta dump party blinders if you ever want the middle class to get a say in this country.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This is exactly it.

If elected she will not lift a finger to stop it.. amazing the dems are so blinded by simply putting Name (D) at that point you can do/say anything and not be called out. Gotta dump party blinders if you ever want the middle class to get a say in this country.

You're mostly correct. Hillary obviously made a calculated move like most of our representatives in Congress have.

 

[CountZero]

uh oh... what will the liberals do.... Hillary is against the TPP...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/07/politics/hillary-clinton-opposes-tpp/index.html

I'm liberal, I'm against the TPP and I don't see Hillary's flip as anything more than pure politics. I don't recall her ever making a statement against it. IMO she's trying to get away from the idea that she is nothing more than Obama 2.0 and hoping to gain Bernie supporters. The real problem is she is a liberal according to Republicans only, not an actual liberal. Sort of a left wing equivalent of a RINO.

 

[TheSlamma]

I'm liberal, I'm against the TPP and I don't see Hillary's flip as anything more than pure politics. I don't recall her ever making a statement against it. IMO she's trying to get away from the idea that she is nothing more than Obama 2.0 and hoping to gain Bernie supporters. The real problem is she is a liberal according to Republicans only, not an actual liberal. Sort of a left wing equivalent of a RINO.

And the problem is your follow libs are buying into what the Repubs are calling her.

 

[Linux23]

when it gets passed, there really is nothing any future president can do, can they?

 

[Sonikku]

Because the free trade passed in the 90's was such a great hit, time to do it again!

Amazing the media isn't blasting the airwaves with this stuff. Oh well, back to planned parenthood and under inflated footballs!

 

[Brian Stirling]

Because the free trade passed in the 90's was such a great hit, time to do it again!

Amazing the media isn't blasting the airwaves with this stuff. Oh well, back to planned parenthood and under inflated footballs!

And who does the media get there money from?

Question answered...


Brian

 

[Jhhnn]

Gotta love it. Being for a trade deal in general and coming out against one that didn't turn out the way you thought it should is not a flipflop.

It's like being interested in dating but, uhh, not him, you know?

It's also quite marvelous how her detractors can claim she's wrong even when they agree with her. That's pure spite.

 

[waggy]

LOL obama is for it. i knew it was going to pass.

finally we are getting information on the TPP. now that's it to late.

this is what happens when politics is ruled by money. Oh this wasn't caused by the GOP or DEMS. this is something both sides have done.

 

[Whiskey16]

...So if a Conservative minority does win government and the NDP and Liberals bring the government down on the Speech from the Throne, we'd be back into another election immediately, putting Canada's ability to ratify TPP pending the outcome of yet another election.

No.... See, cbrunny, in the Westminster and most other parliamentary systems there is such a thing as coalition.

A quite likely and long precedented scenario is of the Governor General recognizing the loss of confidence in a Conservative minority government, lending the majority of seats held in the House of Commons between a combination of the remaining parties to govern by an agreed coalition.
No more proroguing by Harper so soon after an election.

If Mulcair is an obstacle, then after falling way down to third place, very quickly after election night, the long knives in the left side of the NDP will come out after him. The cost of changing course of the NDP too much to the centre.

As far as the TPP goes? Any expected composition of parliament will pass it -- bad deal or not. A deal has been reached. Ineptly, Harper negotiated with a weak and rushed hand -- turning over far too much without reciprocity. Yet, the deal is done and it will be ratified in the fear of the costs being higher not accepting what has been signed away and being left out of the worlds largest trading bloc....

Tonight, the leading story is how he's already lied about how much of the auto-parts industry will soon be opened up to states even outside of the TPP zone... His numbers don't jive with the leaks. While the corrupting charge is that his dissolved government is withholding the true figures:

Auto-sector protection under TPP deal less than Ottawa touted

Steven Chase
OTTAWA — The Globe and Mail
Published Thursday, Oct. 08, 2015

The Canadian government has omitted a key detail from its public explanation of what would change for this country’s vital auto sector under the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement.

And pressure is building on Ottawa to release the full text of this massive Pacific Rim deal before voters cast their ballots on Oct. 11 [SIC 19].

..

“Just in terms of thresholds, we are no lower than 40 [per cent] on anything and 45 [per cent] on most, which is a considerable improvement over an earlier understanding between a couple of other partners,” Mr. Harper said at a news conference on Oct. 5.

However, some components will have local content thresholds as low as 35 per cent. This means 65 per cent of the content could come from countries outside the TPP zone.

Then onto the dairy industry. No free trade there. The USA isn't an example of a free market and gets access to dump product, selling to market for well under the cost of production, and to handily undercut Canadian domestic production. Canada has apparently sold out to accept the dumping of below cost-to-produce dairy products of the heavily socialist and government subsidised US dairy industry (to the tune of around USA government hand-holding funds covering ~60% of agricultural costs):

HUFFPOST Business

The critics of [Canadian dairy] supply management do not factor these hidden taxpayer dollars into the cost of a litre of milk. In Canada that is not the case. There is no hidden subsidy provided by Canadian taxpayers to dairy farmers.

By comparison, U.S. subsidies to dairy producers represent about 40% of American dairy farmer incomes, when it reaches them. These subsidies come directly from taxpayers' pockets. Without that hidden support American dairy products would be much more costly for consumers, and much more expensive than the equivalent Canadian product.

Further, a 2009 report, "The Economic Impacts of Immigration on US Dairy Farms," written by Economics professors from Texas A & M University, suggests that US dairy is further subsidized by foreign workers, primarily Mexican, through lower wages paid to them than would be the case in Canada. In fact, they hypothesize that if all immigrant dairy labourers were barred from entry into the US, retail prices of milk would rise by 61%!

For U.S. farmers, subsidies the best cash crop

BARRIE McKenna
OTTAWA — The Globe and Mail

There are few places in the world where farming is a truly free market activity -- least of all the United States.

A new report finds that $62 of every $100 that U.S. farmers earn comes from one level of government or another. In 2009, that added up to a staggering $180.8-billion (U.S.).

"The U.S. continues to provide massive -- sometimes unreported to the World Trade Organization -- support at the federal, state and local government level to U.S. agriculture," said Ottawa trade consultant Peter Clark, who wrote the report for the Dairy Farmers of Canada.

The report identified a number of indirect subsidies to U.S. farmers via programs for irrigation, export credits, nutrition food aid and loan guarantees.

Nearly $20-billion of the $180.8-billion flows to U.S. dairy farmers, or fully half of their revenues, according to Mr. Clark.

..

Canada has been shut out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership talks, apparently because it refuses to put these "supply managed" sectors on the table. The United States, Australia and New Zealand have long pushed for Canada to dismantle its tariff regime.

Even without the full text available, apparently an unevenly bad deal to Canadian industry and trade, that the dissolved Harper government felt rushed to sign for their need to sign and promote such accomplishment in the finals weeks of the federal campaign. OOh, the shiny..look what we did! No don't look so close! Niqabs!

 

[trenchfoot]

Gotta love it. Being for a trade deal in general and coming out against one that didn't turn out the way you thought it should is not a flipflop.

It's like being interested in dating but, uhh, not him, you know?

It's also quite marvelous ho her detractors can claim she's wrong even when they agree with her. That's pure spite.

Gotta admit what you're saying makes sense. I've modified my position on this issue. :thumbsup:

 

[Ausm]

I don't pretend to understand it.

You obviously don't need to understand, either, to have an opinion. If Obama's for it, you're against it, whatever it is.

We have a Winner!!!

 

[Ausm]

LOL obama is for it. i knew it was going to pass.

finally we are getting information on the TPP. now that's it to late.

this is what happens when politics is ruled by money. Oh this wasn't caused by the GOP or DEMS. this is something both sides have done.

I have to agree with this sediment.....and the odds of getting money out of Politics is ZERO.

 

[michal1980]

Gotta love it. Being for a trade deal in general and coming out against one that didn't turn out the way you thought it should is not a flipflop.

It's like being interested in dating but, uhh, not him, you know?

It's also quite marvelous how her detractors can claim she's wrong even when they agree with her. That's pure spite.

right she changed her mind because the deal didnt turn out how she thought it did. nope.

Its pure politics with her. She supported it numerous times, and now because berine is against it, she has to be.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/15/polit...linton-pushed-the-trade-bill-she-now-opposes/

 

[norseamd]

right she changed her mind because the deal didnt turn out how she thought it did. nope.

Its pure politics with her. She supported it numerous times, and now because Bernie is against it, she has to be.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/15/polit...linton-pushed-the-trade-bill-she-now-opposes/

Actually I think it might have more to do with her wanting to mitigate any tarnishing of her image from the email controversy and other shit.

 

[TheSlamma]

this is what happens when politics is ruled by money. Oh this wasn't caused by the GOP or DEMS. this is something both sides have done.

Mr Turtle has been grinning ear to ear about it since day one and the libtards ignored it cause it was tied to Obamas backing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/17/mitch-mcconnell-tpp_n_7300842.html

Great job idiots, Warren even constructed a simple to read document so you could understand why this is a bad deal and you still didn't get it.

 

[BoberFett]

Gotta love it. Being for a trade deal in general and coming out against one that didn't turn out the way you thought it should is not a flipflop.

It's like being interested in dating but, uhh, not him, you know?

It's also quite marvelous how her detractors can claim she's wrong even when they agree with her. That's pure spite.

Spin! Dodge! Deflect!

LOL, you're a nutjob.

 

[BoberFett]

Gotta admit what you're saying makes sense. I've modified my position on this issue. :thumbsup:

Of course you have. Anything for the party.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Spin! Dodge! Deflect!

LOL, you're a nutjob.

Listen its OK to change your mind its also OK for Hillary to change her mind. However you're right Jhhnn can't ever say anything bad about a Democrat without invoking Republicans

 

[Jhhnn]

Spin! Dodge! Deflect!

LOL, you're a nutjob.

If you read the link in the OP you'd see my point. Obviously not, but you still need to spout derision, as usual.

 

[Jhhnn]

Listen its OK to change your mind its also OK for Hillary to change her mind. However you're right Jhhnn can't ever say anything bad about a Democrat without invoking Republicans

Well, if you're going to tear down Dems then you need to understand the alternative.

Currently, that's people who don't have the nuts to stand up to the radicals in their own party who want to tear down the Govt of the People, create a power vacuum that multinational corporatism & Christian Fund-a-Mental-Cases will gladly fill.

 

[BoberFett]

So tell us Jhnnhmhmnlmhn, with the passage of the TPP, who is further tearing down your mighty Government of the People?

Obama or Hillary?

Choose.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So tell us Jhnnhmhmnlmhn, with the passage of the TPP, who is further tearing down your mighty Government of the People?

Obama or Hillary?

Choose.

Bober every single Republican voted for fast track except Rand Paul and some other guy. Acting like a few Democrats that represent trade hubs jumping ship is not exactly the whole party selling out. You are correct that our elected officials are disconnected from voters because the majority of all voters D or R are again more trade agreements.