It is possible that Democrats will gain, not lose in November. Here's why/how.

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Greenman

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In theory most of that money was paid to employees and to cover business expenses during a forced shut down. Our government forced a shut down and decided to pay for it rather than wreaking thousands of businesses. That's a lot different than people that went and asked to borrow money for an education.
Joe cut our throat's, and now he's squawking about the price of the Band-Aids.

Anyone who took PPP money and used it for personal gain needs to return it, or go to jail.
 
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In theory most of that money was paid to employees and to cover business expenses during a forced shut down. Our government forced a shut down and decided to pay for it rather than wreaking thousands of businesses. That's a lot different than people that went and asked to borrow money for an education.
Joe cut our throat's, and now he's squawking about the price of the Band-Aids.

Anyone who took PPP money and used it for personal gain needs to return it, or go to jail.

try again, business is a risk just like any other loan. Sorry if you can’t see the future *shrug*

many states really didn’t shut down either

same ole FYGM, loan forgiveness for me, not for thee
 

gothuevos

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I agreed with Biden's loan forgiveness and in fact don't think it did enough.

But the PPP analogies are flawed as they are more akin to grants as long as certain criteria are met.

This is why I continue to say that the Dems messaging absolutely sucks. They can't even take one good thing they did here and properly highlight it without exposing it to RW attack. They've been clueless about this since 2016, it's a complete blindspot to them for some reason.
 

UNCjigga

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In theory most of that money was paid to employees and to cover business expenses during a forced shut down. Our government forced a shut down and decided to pay for it rather than wreaking thousands of businesses. That's a lot different than people that went and asked to borrow money for an education.
Joe cut our throat's, and now he's squawking about the price of the Band-Aids.

Anyone who took PPP money and used it for personal gain needs to return it, or go to jail.

Joe wasn’t even in office during the shutdown—and there never was a national shutdown.
 

dank69

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Republicans are winning in Congress because they are giving voters a clearer narrative.

Why do Dems suck at messaging, time and time again? :(
It's tough to compete with blatantly bullshit statements without just saying fuck it, let's be just as blatantly dishonest. If Democrats were to try to compete with Republican nonsense I suppose they could promise every man, woman, and child a free puppy plus the funds to raise it for example. Because that's the level of lala land Republican voters operate in.
 
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I agreed with Biden's loan forgiveness and in fact don't think it did enough.

But the PPP analogies are flawed as they are more akin to grants as long as certain criteria are met.

This is why I continue to say that the Dems messaging absolutely sucks. They can't even take one good thing they did here and properly highlight it without exposing it to RW attack. They've been clueless about this since 2016, it's a complete blindspot to them for some reason.

In this case the messaging is perfect. Take two things that are vaguely similar and hammer the R's on it. It's actually very conservative-like.
 

NWRMidnight

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The dems will win because millions of illegals flooding the country, out of control crime, rampant inflation and crashing markets are great for democrats.

Oh wait....
1) deportations are 35% higher than they where during Trump's term, and it's been a problem for the past 3 decades or more. (not to mention the current boarder crisis was predicted when Trump instituted his boarder policies, long before Biden even ran for President, guess what that means?)
2) Red states are the leaders in increased crime
3) inflation is a world wide issue due to the pandemic, supply chain issues, as well as Trump's previous policies and poor leadership that we are still trying to recover From.
4) Crashing markets are more to do with being artificially inflated since mid 2019 to mid 2021 by the feds dumping over $4 Trillion into it, and they started to drop and crash shortly after they stopped. Then you also have to consider Trump's tax cuts for the rich and corporations where corporations used the savings for stock buy backs, as well as those same corporations where riding the COVID wave of milking consumers for massive profits, and the Republican's want to protect those corporations so they can continue to milk the consumers dry.

So, what exactly are you trying to manipulate into blaming on the dems, that is mostly due to the Republican's and the Trump's administrations policies and leadership?
 
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Ackmed

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SO a few of the Dems candidates;

Katie Hobbs for Arizona Governor, had a "slave day" in high school".


Fetterman for Senate once pulled a shotgun on a black man who was jogging in his neighborhood, assuming he was a criminal because he was black and in his neighborhood.


Dem city council member caught on leaked audio with racist remarks


Nancy Pelosi said that illegals need to be allowed in country to pick crops. Because that is all they are good for


So many other examples of pure racism by the Dems, yet these people are still being propped up for office. Proof again, that they dont care about racism unless its against certain people.

Look at any black person, or any minority actually who comes out as a conservative. The Dems attack them with racism every single time. For the party who claims to be against racism, they sure do support it when it benefits them.
 

NWRMidnight

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In theory most of that money was paid to employees and to cover business expenses during a forced shut down. Our government forced a shut down and decided to pay for it rather than wreaking thousands of businesses. That's a lot different than people that went and asked to borrow money for an education.
Joe cut our throat's, and now he's squawking about the price of the Band-Aids.

Anyone who took PPP money and used it for personal gain needs to return it, or go to jail.

You do realize that 99% of them are Republican's, and the very people who wear the shoes you keep licking right? So you are in agreement that the majority of the Current Republican party needs to go to jail.. right? Because they are the ones who have mostly used the PPP for personal gain indirectly and on purpose, and not returned it. I am pretty sure you know this, which is why you include "return the money or go to jail".. sorry, there is no and/or.. they all should go to jail, regardless if they return the money or not, because they committed fraud and other crimes. of course, if it was purely democrats, you would have never included and/or, which indicates you know Republican's are the guilty party.

Of course, you know that most of the money was not used to pay employees, which is why you used the term "in Theory" because you know that the majority of the money never went to employees. In fact, that is only 1 of the "acceptable uses" the money was allowed to be used for, which companies chose to put the least amount of the PPP money towards.
 
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SO a few of the Dems candidates;

Katie Hobbs for Arizona Governor, had a "slave day" in high school".


Fetterman for Senate once pulled a shotgun on a black man who was jogging in his neighborhood, assuming he was a criminal because he was black and in his neighborhood.


Dem city council member caught on leaked audio with racist remarks


Nancy Pelosi said that illegals need to be allowed in country to pick crops. Because that is all they are good for


So many other examples of pure racism by the Dems, yet these people are still being propped up for office. Proof again, that they dont care about racism unless its against certain people.

Look at any black person, or any minority actually who comes out as a conservative. The Dems attack them with racism every single time. For the party who claims to be against racism, they sure do support it when it benefits them.

None of them had a knee on the back of the neck of a guy who lost his life.

None of them are calling to overthrow democracy.

None of them are calling for a civil war.

Obviously you want to overthrow democracy and are calling for a civil war and support racists who have their knee on the back of the neck of a dead guy.
 

cytg111

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It's going to be bad.

Some of the time my spidey sense tells me that these dark opeds is timed as to rile up more voters, existing voters not getting complacent…
 

sportage

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Watching the Sunday morning news programs, it was clear that the media both right and left are hoping democrats do very badly in the midterms. I suppose, for the ratings. If the media can stir everyone up predicting a real democrat bloodbath, then that is good for ratings. Frankly, they don't really care one way or the other. I don't believe there is such thing as liberal and conservative media, I think whatever brings in the viewers and the ratings they are willing to go along with.
At this point, the media would just love to see a midterms bloodbath. And look forward to reporting on the chaos that would take place after.

But regardless, I still believe there are a lot of really pissed off women across America who believe their bodies are none of the governments business. Women both pro-life and pro-choice. Yes, I do believe they will not forget. They will not forget what Trump's SCOTUS did to them, and they will not forget to vote. Like Richard Nixon's silent majority, we have a silent majority of women who are really pissed. They may not show up in the poling figures, but never the less they are there.
 

FelixDeCat

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I am feeling pretty good about Republicans taking the House of Representin'

 
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nickqt

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I went day 1 of early voting on 10.17.22 and there were at least a hundred people in the place waiting to vote at around 3:00pm. Every time a first time voter signed in they announced it and everyone cheered. Heavily Democratic area in south DeKalb County.

Ignore any polls, it all depends on turnout. The closer GA gets to the 2020 total, the more likely Warnock holds his seat, although I'm not holding out a lot of hope for Abrams. But, you never know.
 
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linkgoron

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The 538 model looks pretty bad for the Democrats, and RCP's projection basically shows Rs winning everything, but they've always been a right-leaning group. I still feel that the Senate will go D and the House will definitely go R. I don't think that the R's will take AZ, PA and GA. WI is going R, and everything else will fall as expected. NV will probably decide it. It doesn't really matter though in the long run IMO, the Republican party has shown what they're after, and it looks like the electorate in the United States is pretty much fine with that.

I feel sad for you - a lot of the Republican candidates are terrible and extremely regressive, and the party itself has been pretty radicalized by Fox News and Trump.

People read too much into this IMO.
 
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