Isreal submits First UN Resolution !

[syzygy]

here is a very interesting development - and tactic.

to test the u.n., isreal has put forth a resolution calling for the protection of isreali children from terrorist attacks.
this resolution is virtually identical to an arab one which sought the same assurances with palestinian children.

normally the u.n. serves as the arab dictator's hatchet proxy. states like syria love to pepper the u.n. with their
phony concern in a paper war they hope will score in the public domain. now isreal is fighting back, using the same
machinery to mock the u.n.'s own procedures. so very sweet.

think of this as an attempt at reform through public humiliation. forget the resolutions specifics, although it will
serve as a nice gauge, if only to measure reaction and plot their next move. why didn't they think of this sooner ?

bbc link

 

[freegeeks]

nice

I hope that the US does the same like it always does and also veto this resolution
if they don't, the US will be officially Israël's b*tch

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

I think it is an excellent resolution but considering nearly identical proposals have been rejected by the US I guess we can expect the same. According to Negroponte, the US feels a need to block "unbalanced" resolutions.

 

[tnitsuj]

This resolution is unnaceptable. It makes no mention of Palestinian children and thus the US must veto it. :disgust:

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
nice

I hope that the US does the same like it always does and also veto this resolution
if they don't, the US will be officially Israël's b*tch

its for the general assembly, no country has veto power there

and yeah, the US should vote no just judging by past history

 

[freegeeks]

IMO the Bush administration is not very happy with this resolution


Israël is putting Bush & Co in a difficult position

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
IMO the Bush administration is not very happy with this resolution


Israël is putting Bush & Co in a difficult position

Tring to see if the puppet is willing to question the puppetmasters power, HUH

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Is the fact that the US is Israel's bitch even up for debate? Come on now.

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Is the fact that the US is Israel's bitch even up for debate? Come on now.

tru dat

 

[chess9]

That's a cute move. Not diplomatic, but funny.

The U.S. isn't anyone's ***** by the way. We rightly support Israel for many reasons. They are our best friend in the region and many Americans live and work in Israel and contribute financially in a variety of ways. I will admit that I can't stand Sharon, and under Clinton our policies vis a vis Israel/Palestine were a little more even handed. But....don't even think we should consider straying far from our strong support for Israel. If we walked from Israel the Middle East would be in much worse shape than it is in now, and God knows it is near rock bottom.

-Robert

 

[Lonyo]

"To test the UN".

I think Israel has tested the world, under Sharons rule, and for anyone to give a damn what Israel wants, they should get Sharon out of power.

He's the one who caused a lot of the current problems,getting rid of him will cure a lot of them.

 

[Gaard]

This may very well be a 'test' for the UN, but it looks like we are all wondering what the US will do.

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: chess9
That's a cute move. Not diplomatic, but funny.

The U.S. isn't anyone's ***** by the way. We rightly support Israel for many reasons. They are our best friend in the region and many Americans live and work in Israel and contribute financially in a variety of ways. I will admit that I can't stand Sharon, and under Clinton our policies vis a vis Israel/Palestine were a little more even handed. But....don't even think we should consider straying far from our strong support for Israel. If we walked from Israel the Middle East would be in much worse shape than it is in now, and God knows it is near rock bottom.

-Robert

no one in the mideast really wants america's intervention, besides israel. they rather you leave them alone. but until we drain them of their resources (steal their oil, and conquer a drug campaign), they're SOL.

 

[kaizersose]

Originally posted by: Pers
no one in the mideast really wants america's intervention, besides israel. they rather you leave them alone. but until we drain them of their resources (steal their oil, and conquer a drug campaign), they're SOL.

you are right that no country wants our prescence there. we weaken their autocratic stronghold on power and interfere with human rights abuses.

whose resources are we stealing? we are the largest buyer of middle eastern oil in the world! you think the american economy will go to hell when the oil runs out, wait till you see what happens to the middle east. their economies are entirely dependant on (american) oil exports.

edit: spelling

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: kaizersose

Originally posted by: Pers
no one in the mideast really wants america's intervention, besides israel. they rather you leave them alone. but until we drain them of their resources (steal their oil, and conquer a drug campaign), they're SOL.

you are right that no country wants our prescence there. we weaken their autocratic stronghold on power and interfere with human rights abuses.

whose resources are we stealing? we are the largest buyer of middle eastern oil in the world! you think the american economy will go to hell when the oil runs out, wait till you see what happens to the middle east. their economies are entirely dependant on (american) oil exports.

edit: spelling

We weaken their autocratic strongholds and interfere with their human rights abuses? HAHAHA, my god are you gullible! You think just because we deposed Saddam we are some anti-autocratic regime champions? You forget that we are responsible for some of the most autocratic regimes in the region and we are the only reasons they are in power. Saudi Arabia and Egypt ring a bell? What about putting the Shah or Iran in power? Open your eyes to the real world son, it aint pretty. We don't need Israel strategically, we have bases and a presence in many "friendly" countries in the region. The only reason why we keep supporting Israel is that anyone who dares suggest doing otherwise will be crucified as an anti-Semite. There is a reason AIPAC is the second strongest lobby in the US: WE ARE ISRAEL'S BITCH.

 

[SuperTool]

What happened to a resolution protecting Arab children? I am guessing the US vetoed it. Is it going to do the same for this one? I doubt it, but it is a good test that Israel has put up to weed out hypocrites on both sides of the issue.

 

[Witling]

First resolution? Nay, not so. LA Times. First since 1976.

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: kaizersose

Originally posted by: Pers
no one in the mideast really wants america's intervention, besides israel. they rather you leave them alone. but until we drain them of their resources (steal their oil, and conquer a drug campaign), they're SOL.

you are right that no country wants our prescence there. we weaken their autocratic stronghold on power and interfere with human rights abuses.

whose resources are we stealing? we are the largest buyer of middle eastern oil in the world! you think the american economy will go to hell when the oil runs out, wait till you see what happens to the middle east. their economies are entirely dependant on (american) oil exports.

edit: spelling

We weaken their autocratic strongholds and interfere with their human rights abuses? HAHAHA, my god are you gullible! You think just because we deposed Saddam we are some anti-autocratic regime champions? You forget that we are responsible for some of the most autocratic regimes in the region and we are the only reasons they are in power. Saudi Arabia and Egypt ring a bell? What about putting the Shah or Iran in power? Open your eyes to the real world son, it aint pretty. We don't need Israel strategically, we have bases and a presence in many "friendly" countries in the region. The only reason why we keep supporting Israel is that anyone who dares suggest doing otherwise will be crucified as an anti-Semite. There is a reason AIPAC is the second strongest lobby in the US: WE ARE ISRAEL'S BITCH.

there are NO posts i enjoy reading more than yours. seriously.

 

[kaizersose]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: kaizersose

Originally posted by: Pers
no one in the mideast really wants america's intervention, besides israel. they rather you leave them alone. but until we drain them of their resources (steal their oil, and conquer a drug campaign), they're SOL.

you are right that no country wants our prescence there. we weaken their autocratic stronghold on power and interfere with human rights abuses.

whose resources are we stealing? we are the largest buyer of middle eastern oil in the world! you think the american economy will go to hell when the oil runs out, wait till you see what happens to the middle east. their economies are entirely dependant on (american) oil exports.

edit: spelling

We weaken their autocratic strongholds and interfere with their human rights abuses? HAHAHA, my god are you gullible! You think just because we deposed Saddam we are some anti-autocratic regime champions? You forget that we are responsible for some of the most autocratic regimes in the region and we are the only reasons they are in power. Saudi Arabia and Egypt ring a bell? What about putting the Shah or Iran in power? Open your eyes to the real world son, it aint pretty. We don't need Israel strategically, we have bases and a presence in many "friendly" countries in the region. The only reason why we keep supporting Israel is that anyone who dares suggest doing otherwise will be crucified as an anti-Semite. There is a reason AIPAC is the second strongest lobby in the US: WE ARE ISRAEL'S BITCH.

hmm, i always enjoy a good patronizing post, so thanks dad,

i will "open my eyes" and tell you this: we are not perfect. we have and will support autocratic regimes because we have no choice (oil dependant economy) but we are also the only country in the world with the ethical and physical balls to institute real change in this world. everyone else is too busy being culturally sensitive to realize that despite huge oil profits from the last 50 years, no middle eastern country has a real economy.

oh, and stop feeling sorry for yourself for being called an anti-semite at some point (apparently). its perfectly reasonable to disagree with israeli policy just as it is to disagree with any other country's policy. however, claiming that israel is an apartheid state or comparing israeli's to nazi's is just as wrong as it is to call all palestinians terrorists--it's blatantly untrue and at best, and in reality is thinly veiled racism.

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: kaizersose

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: kaizersose

Originally posted by: Pers
no one in the mideast really wants america's intervention, besides israel. they rather you leave them alone. but until we drain them of their resources (steal their oil, and conquer a drug campaign), they're SOL.

you are right that no country wants our prescence there. we weaken their autocratic stronghold on power and interfere with human rights abuses.

whose resources are we stealing? we are the largest buyer of middle eastern oil in the world! you think the american economy will go to hell when the oil runs out, wait till you see what happens to the middle east. their economies are entirely dependant on (american) oil exports.

edit: spelling

We weaken their autocratic strongholds and interfere with their human rights abuses? HAHAHA, my god are you gullible! You think just because we deposed Saddam we are some anti-autocratic regime champions? You forget that we are responsible for some of the most autocratic regimes in the region and we are the only reasons they are in power. Saudi Arabia and Egypt ring a bell? What about putting the Shah or Iran in power? Open your eyes to the real world son, it aint pretty. We don't need Israel strategically, we have bases and a presence in many "friendly" countries in the region. The only reason why we keep supporting Israel is that anyone who dares suggest doing otherwise will be crucified as an anti-Semite. There is a reason AIPAC is the second strongest lobby in the US: WE ARE ISRAEL'S BITCH.

hmm, i always enjoy a good patronizing post, so thanks dad,

i will "open my eyes" and tell you this: we are not perfect. we have and will support autocratic regimes because we have no choice (oil dependant economy) but we are also the only country in the world with the ethical and physical balls to institute real change in this world. everyone else is too busy being culturally sensitive to realize that despite huge oil profits from the last 50 years, no middle eastern country has a real economy.

oh, and stop feeling sorry for yourself for being called an anti-semite at some point (apparently). its perfectly reasonable to disagree with israeli policy just as it is to disagree with any other country's policy. however, claiming that israel is an apartheid state or comparing israeli's to nazi's is just as wrong as it is to call all palestinians terrorists--it's blatantly untrue and at best, and in reality is thinly veiled racism.

you are right that no country wants our prescence there. we weaken their autocratic stronghold on power and interfere with human rights abuses.

Wait...so make up your mind... Do we weaken the autocratic stronghold or promote it?

It's ok....you can change your story as many times as you want. you never had any credibility to begin w/.

and that crap about us having the balls to change the world is really touching. Especially since we're dealing w/ a bunch of neo-cons in power. Since when were neo-cons in favor of change?

edit: how sad. you got owned by lilblinb before you even made your post.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: kaizersose

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: kaizersose

Originally posted by: Pers
no one in the mideast really wants america's intervention, besides israel. they rather you leave them alone. but until we drain them of their resources (steal their oil, and conquer a drug campaign), they're SOL.

you are right that no country wants our prescence there. we weaken their autocratic stronghold on power and interfere with human rights abuses.

whose resources are we stealing? we are the largest buyer of middle eastern oil in the world! you think the american economy will go to hell when the oil runs out, wait till you see what happens to the middle east. their economies are entirely dependant on (american) oil exports.

edit: spelling

We weaken their autocratic strongholds and interfere with their human rights abuses? HAHAHA, my god are you gullible! You think just because we deposed Saddam we are some anti-autocratic regime champions? You forget that we are responsible for some of the most autocratic regimes in the region and we are the only reasons they are in power. Saudi Arabia and Egypt ring a bell? What about putting the Shah or Iran in power? Open your eyes to the real world son, it aint pretty. We don't need Israel strategically, we have bases and a presence in many "friendly" countries in the region. The only reason why we keep supporting Israel is that anyone who dares suggest doing otherwise will be crucified as an anti-Semite. There is a reason AIPAC is the second strongest lobby in the US: WE ARE ISRAEL'S BITCH.

hmm, i always enjoy a good patronizing post, so thanks dad,

i will "open my eyes" and tell you this: we are not perfect. we have and will support autocratic regimes because we have no choice (oil dependant economy) but we are also the only country in the world with the ethical and physical balls to institute real change in this world. everyone else is too busy being culturally sensitive to realize that despite huge oil profits from the last 50 years, no middle eastern country has a real economy.
You confuse me kaizer, first you say that we weaken their autocratic regimes and then you say we have and will continue to support them because we have no choice. Maybe the choice should have been doing it right the first time? What do you suggest, that because we have established a bunch of autocratic regimes that we need for oil, and who have no economy, we are supposed to invade them all to make things right? It would not surprise me if you did. I think the way to do it is to foster internal dissent, support the oppostion and do everything with in our means to bring about change without directly intervening. But we can't do that precisely for the reasons you outlined, we need them subjugated for their oil. It's a vicious cylcle that's not going to change until we stop being so self centered, and that is going to have to include a re-examination of our blatantly one sided Israel policy in order to build trust. Currently that reads at 0%

oh, and stop feeling sorry for yourself for being called an anti-semite at some point (apparently). its perfectly reasonable to disagree with israeli policy just as it is to disagree with any other country's policy. however, claiming that israel is an apartheid state or comparing israeli's to nazi's is just as wrong as it is to call all palestinians terrorists--it's blatantly untrue and at best, and in reality is thinly veiled racism.
You really think it is perfectly ok to disagree with Israeli policy? Surely you cannot beleive that EVERY politician in high office in the last 50 years agreed with it because it is right do you? How do you account for all the times Israel has been blatantly wrong and no one has had the balls to point it out? Could it be because people who publicly disagree with Israeli state policy risk being labeled as anti-Semites? No one's ever called me an anti-semite because most of the people I engage in conversation with understand that my contempt for Israel has nothing to do with it being a Jewish state but has everything to do with its policy. Just because people didn't agree with South African apartheid didn't make them anti-white. And yes, there are grounds for comparing the two. Israel has well defined standards of inequality separating the Jewish and ISRAELI Arab populations in everything from education to housing opportunities. Forget the Palestinians, these are ISRAELI CITIZENS we are talking about. The comparison is totally justified. I don't beleive that in regards to the Palestinians they are an apartheid state for the simple reason that apartheid is used in the context of people in the same country being separated and treated unequally. The Israelis would never let the Palestinians become citizens and justifiably so, the problem is in them denying the aforementioned both the right to citizenship and the right to have their own state. In that regard it makes them even worse than the South Africans. You are right, to call all Palestinians terrorists is blatantly untrue just as is saying that all Israelis agree with the status quo. The point is Israel is a state and its behavior reflects state policies, Palestine isn't... yet.

Edit: spelling.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: kaizersose

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: kaizersose

Originally posted by: Pers
no one in the mideast really wants america's intervention, besides israel. they rather you leave them alone. but until we drain them of their resources (steal their oil, and conquer a drug campaign), they're SOL.

you are right that no country wants our prescence there. we weaken their autocratic stronghold on power and interfere with human rights abuses.

whose resources are we stealing? we are the largest buyer of middle eastern oil in the world! you think the american economy will go to hell when the oil runs out, wait till you see what happens to the middle east. their economies are entirely dependant on (american) oil exports.

edit: spelling

We weaken their autocratic strongholds and interfere with their human rights abuses? HAHAHA, my god are you gullible! You think just because we deposed Saddam we are some anti-autocratic regime champions? You forget that we are responsible for some of the most autocratic regimes in the region and we are the only reasons they are in power. Saudi Arabia and Egypt ring a bell? What about putting the Shah or Iran in power? Open your eyes to the real world son, it aint pretty. We don't need Israel strategically, we have bases and a presence in many "friendly" countries in the region. The only reason why we keep supporting Israel is that anyone who dares suggest doing otherwise will be crucified as an anti-Semite. There is a reason AIPAC is the second strongest lobby in the US: WE ARE ISRAEL'S BITCH.

hmm, i always enjoy a good patronizing post, so thanks dad,

i will "open my eyes" and tell you this: we are not perfect. we have and will support autocratic regimes because we have no choice (oil dependant economy) but we are also the only country in the world with the ethical and physical balls to institute real change in this world. everyone else is too busy being culturally sensitive to realize that despite huge oil profits from the last 50 years, no middle eastern country has a real economy.

oh, and stop feeling sorry for yourself for being called an anti-semite at some point (apparently). its perfectly reasonable to disagree with israeli policy just as it is to disagree with any other country's policy. however, claiming that israel is an apartheid state or comparing israeli's to nazi's is just as wrong as it is to call all palestinians terrorists--it's blatantly untrue and at best, and in reality is thinly veiled racism.

Boy are you ignorant of the world.


WE HAVE installed or Support Autocratic Oppressive Governments in most of the major Oil rich Countries. Venesula, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, And the Rest of the Middle East.

Their Governments allow OUR companies to develop and mine the Riches while they receive the profit from the Crude.

This enables AMERICAN companies to Profit and American Currancie to dominate. It FORCES oil to be traded in the dollar Which forces any country that wants to Trade in Oil to keep massive reserves of US Currancy, giving US an ADVANTAGE in the World Economy.

It gives a 15% premium to the US dollar and allows US to RACK UP MASSIVE DEBT.


If we allowed a Democratic CAPITALISTIC soceity to evolve in ANY of these Oil Rich Companies Where The Oil Was Explored, Recovered and Refined Domestically and then Exported In Tradional Sence.................

OUR ECONOMY WOULD BE F@CKED>


WE primarely use our military to Secure our Sole finacial Interests and to Maintain Dominance in World Finacial Markets. MONEY IS POWER.


"Human rights abuses", "Evil", "Freedom" and the such are just candy coated idealistic values that sell the action to the american public.



If you want to examine the Core Reson of the Iraqi Invasion examine the Fact of How Saddam began trading his oil the Un allowed him to in the Euro.

Look at venesula. they followed Saddam and Began Trading Oil in the Euro. Next thing you know their is a FAILED CIA COUP. They learned and returned to trade Oil in $US.

But, then the EU trumped the USA. The EU and China signed an agreement with Iran for SOLE TRADE OF OIL WITH THEM in the Euro.

Hence why IRan, is the next largest risk to US finacial security.

 

[GrGr]

Hehe, good post smashp. Interesting tidbit: Russia has been talking to the EU about tying their oil trade to the euro.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: smashp
Boy are you ignorant of the world.


WE HAVE installed or Support Autocratic Oppressive Governments in most of the major Oil rich Countries. Venesula, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, And the Rest of the Middle East.

Their Governments allow OUR companies to develop and mine the Riches while they receive the profit from the Crude.

This enables AMERICAN companies to Profit and American Currancie to dominate. It FORCES oil to be traded in the dollar Which forces any country that wants to Trade in Oil to keep massive reserves of US Currancy, giving US an ADVANTAGE in the World Economy.

It gives a 15% premium to the US dollar and allows US to RACK UP MASSIVE DEBT.


If we allowed a Democratic CAPITALISTIC soceity to evolve in ANY of these Oil Rich Companies Where The Oil Was Explored, Recovered and Refined Domestically and then Exported In Tradional Sence.................

OUR ECONOMY WOULD BE F@CKED>


WE primarely use our military to Secure our Sole finacial Interests and to Maintain Dominance in World Finacial Markets. MONEY IS POWER.


"Human rights abuses", "Evil", "Freedom" and the such are just candy coated idealistic values that sell the action to the american public.



If you want to examine the Core Reson of the Iraqi Invasion examine the Fact of How Saddam began trading his oil the Un allowed him to in the Euro.

Look at venesula. they followed Saddam and Began Trading Oil in the Euro. Next thing you know their is a FAILED CIA COUP. They learned and returned to trade Oil in $US.

But, then the EU trumped the USA. The EU and China signed an agreement with Iran for SOLE TRADE OF OIL WITH THEM in the Euro.

Hence why IRan, is the next largest risk to US finacial security.

Nice tinfoil hat conspiricy theory there, to bad it has no supporting facts or evidence to back it up. Nice try though.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: kaizersose

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: kaizersose

Originally posted by: Pers
no one in the mideast really wants america's intervention, besides israel. they rather you leave them alone. but until we drain them of their resources (steal their oil, and conquer a drug campaign), they're SOL.

you are right that no country wants our prescence there. we weaken their autocratic stronghold on power and interfere with human rights abuses.

whose resources are we stealing? we are the largest buyer of middle eastern oil in the world! you think the american economy will go to hell when the oil runs out, wait till you see what happens to the middle east. their economies are entirely dependant on (american) oil exports.

edit: spelling

We weaken their autocratic strongholds and interfere with their human rights abuses? HAHAHA, my god are you gullible! You think just because we deposed Saddam we are some anti-autocratic regime champions? You forget that we are responsible for some of the most autocratic regimes in the region and we are the only reasons they are in power. Saudi Arabia and Egypt ring a bell? What about putting the Shah or Iran in power? Open your eyes to the real world son, it aint pretty. We don't need Israel strategically, we have bases and a presence in many "friendly" countries in the region. The only reason why we keep supporting Israel is that anyone who dares suggest doing otherwise will be crucified as an anti-Semite. There is a reason AIPAC is the second strongest lobby in the US: WE ARE ISRAEL'S BITCH.

hmm, i always enjoy a good patronizing post, so thanks dad,

i will "open my eyes" and tell you this: we are not perfect. we have and will support autocratic regimes because we have no choice (oil dependant economy) but we are also the only country in the world with the ethical and physical balls to institute real change in this world. everyone else is too busy being culturally sensitive to realize that despite huge oil profits from the last 50 years, no middle eastern country has a real economy.

oh, and stop feeling sorry for yourself for being called an anti-semite at some point (apparently). its perfectly reasonable to disagree with israeli policy just as it is to disagree with any other country's policy. however, claiming that israel is an apartheid state or comparing israeli's to nazi's is just as wrong as it is to call all palestinians terrorists--it's blatantly untrue and at best, and in reality is thinly veiled racism.

Boy are you ignorant of the world.


WE HAVE installed or Support Autocratic Oppressive Governments in most of the major Oil rich Countries. Venesula, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, And the Rest of the Middle East.

Their Governments allow OUR companies to develop and mine the Riches while they receive the profit from the Crude.

This enables AMERICAN companies to Profit and American Currancie to dominate. It FORCES oil to be traded in the dollar Which forces any country that wants to Trade in Oil to keep massive reserves of US Currancy, giving US an ADVANTAGE in the World Economy.

It gives a 15% premium to the US dollar and allows US to RACK UP MASSIVE DEBT.


If we allowed a Democratic CAPITALISTIC soceity to evolve in ANY of these Oil Rich Companies Where The Oil Was Explored, Recovered and Refined Domestically and then Exported In Tradional Sence.................

OUR ECONOMY WOULD BE F@CKED>


WE primarely use our military to Secure our Sole finacial Interests and to Maintain Dominance in World Finacial Markets. MONEY IS POWER.


"Human rights abuses", "Evil", "Freedom" and the such are just candy coated idealistic values that sell the action to the american public.



If you want to examine the Core Reson of the Iraqi Invasion examine the Fact of How Saddam began trading his oil the Un allowed him to in the Euro.

Look at venesula. they followed Saddam and Began Trading Oil in the Euro. Next thing you know their is a FAILED CIA COUP. They learned and returned to trade Oil in $US.

But, then the EU trumped the USA. The EU and China signed an agreement with Iran for SOLE TRADE OF OIL WITH THEM in the Euro.

Hence why IRan, is the next largest risk to US finacial security.

on the dime.